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06-27-2000, 03:40 AM
Why run a hardware router when you can run a software router for free and boots off of a floppy disk, if you care to get your hands a little dirty setting it up.
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06-27-2000, 03:54 AM
So, time to wire the house and I am in the market for a switch or hub. I think I want a switch, but we have approx 10 computers and the possiblity of more coming in soon, so I was wondering if you folks had ideas.
Here is what I thought: buy an 8port switch and a 4 or 5 port to attach to it (if that is possible). That way I avoid the 16port price tag. Also, I am not very knowledgeble in this area so I have no idea what brand to look for or where the best deals are.
Any advice is appreciated!
06-27-2000, 04:26 AM
Not to be a total dinkus, but I think you'd probably get a more informed response on the Hardware forum...I'm interested in the response, though...
06-27-2000, 08:31 AM
A switch will get you better speed than a hub, and you can easily cascade them. Get two 8-port (or whatever), and you just connect them together with a patch cable.
Some of them have an uplink port, some just straight-thru ports, and some (like Netgear) have a little switch for one of the ports so you can choose. Depending on which you have, you may need either a regular (straight thru) patch cable, or a crossover cable to connect them together.
If $$$ is a concern, get one switch and one (or more) hubs. Use the switch for your servers and high use PCs, and hang the hub off of the switch for less often used machines. If you just want an internet connection for some machines, a 10Mb hub will be much cheaper & plenty fast enough.
I recommend the Netgear FS-108 (8 port 10/100 Mb switch) for about $150, and the EN108TP (8 port 10Mb hub) for about $45.
06-27-2000, 08:41 AM
Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't switchs and routers different things? if so then topic seems wrong...
06-27-2000, 09:07 AM
Yes - I assume he meant hub or switch...
06-27-2000, 09:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TradeMe:
So, time to wire the house and I am in the market for a switch or hub. I think I want a switch, but we have approx 10 computers and the possiblity of more coming in soon, ...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
10 computers in your house with more coming? Does your last name happen to be Jetson?
that's alot of computer @ home....
yep like Jeffbx said... 8-port 10/100 switch for server and power pc... and a 4/8 10/100 port hub for ya less use pc ... is the way to go...
06-27-2000, 11:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by loup:
that's alot of computer @ home....
yep like Jeffbx said... 8-port 10/100 switch for server and power pc... and a 4/8 10/100 port hub for ya less use pc ... is the way to go...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yep, ever since VIA developed switch on a chip, it's been easier to get switched to the desktop.
i wanna change our shared media to switches.
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06-27-2000, 12:52 PM
I am going to have to disagree with everyone and say that you should get a hub, not a switch.
With only 10-15 computers, all a switch will do is add latency. Switches are not that cool unless you have dozens of workstations. I did a test with this at school...I hooked up 10 workstations to first a switch and then a hub and had them all download a 48Meg file. With ten workstations, the speeds and transfer time were nearly identical...with two workstations actively receiving, the hub was faster (because a switch has to think and add latency) also, I doubt that all of your 10+ computers will be downloading heavy amounts of data simotaneously.
So, in conclusion, I would recommend getting a 20 port hub.
In second conclusion, this really isn't concerning a deal, but I still thought I would post.
Adam Sickmiller, CCNA
06-27-2000, 01:38 PM
Thanks for all the info, and sorry for the confusion. I did not mean hub, but you all figured that out.
Secondly, its a 3-story 10 person student house and most of us have computers, some with laptops.
Third, I am actually looking for advice on deals as well, but maybe I should've first consulted the hardware forum. (I'm new to posting here.)
Finally, the major use for this will be to share MP3s (no more then ~10MB files) and play the occasional C&C. Also, we want to share a DSL line, so the need for speed isn't too pressing. So maybe there is no need for a switch?
06-27-2000, 01:40 PM
Damn it, I DID mean Hub. I did NOT mean router. So terribly confused....
to share the dsl line... i believe you'll need a dsl router by linsys or netgear....
06-27-2000, 01:54 PM
As far as cost goes a hub is much less. But to say a switch will ADD latency is rediculous. If you do simultaneous transfers a hub will bog down quick. But if speed isn't an issue then look on Ebay. I have seen 10BaseT 12 port hubs (stackable at that) go for $10. Then use a DLINK DI-701 router to share your connection. It wouldn't be cost effective to use software to do it with that many computers.
06-27-2000, 01:55 PM
So you cannot use a off the shelf hub
Speaking of deals to get on topic, here is a 12 port hub for $40 that came off the Anandtech forum.
06-27-2000, 02:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bandito:
As far as cost goes a hub is much less. But to say a switch will ADD latency is rediculous. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I know...it is....are you sure you're CCNA?
I've talked to some network experts and they say that it isn't the case
06-27-2000, 02:12 PM
You can use a Hub w/DSL, but you would still need something to do the routing if you were not given x number of ips for x amount of computers. This is where I would use the Cable/DSL router, however watch out RoadRunner sent out an email stating that such use and wingates are against the terms of service.
To say the latency issue w/switches would effect download speeds is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard of. Where I previously worked, the network was a consortium of 10 and 100mbit hubs all across the building. Network traffic was the craziest I had seen in a long time. We put in a Switched network, to see speeds increase, traffic latency decrease, and total thorouhput increase. Now for the current situation, I would use a hub, hence only 10-15 users. IF you had 30+ I would seriously consider a switched network. Get a hub, or two, and save yourself some money.
there shouldn't be any latency with switch... never had that prob... switchs work in full duplex mode 1-1 where hub is half duplex... 1-x port ... one talk everyone listen
06-27-2000, 02:19 PM
routers and switches and hubs, oh my!!
routers and switches and hubs, oh my!!
anyway, switches are faster. switches cost more. hubs are slower. hubs are cheaper. weigh your priorities and decide accordingly.
06-27-2000, 04:14 PM
Why run a hardware router? Simple. Most software solutions cost $ for every ip it generates. Some routers have built in firewalls or NAT. I use Winproxy and for up to 3 it is free, more than 3 is $99. Sygate and Wingate have a similar cost. With the DLINK DI-701 I think it lets you share your connection with up to 24 computers. BTW Winproxy is a seamless solution, and it has a built in firewall.
06-27-2000, 04:17 PM
Hope this helps answer your question!
06-27-2000, 05:48 PM
Am I wrong in thinking that a router or proxy is invisible to the network and roadrunner outside the house? How in the world would roadrunner know you were using such a device, unless they physically inspected your house and computers.
06-27-2000, 06:22 PM
remember, switches arent faster than hubs, they're smarter, i believe switches have a slightly greater latency than hubs and if you are doing single one by one transfers, hub should be better but if you intend to have multiple, simultanous transfers, switches are the better choice. Most routers today can be automatically configured but i'm not sure about it being transparent.
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