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Markel
02-19-2002, 12:26 PM
Taken from http://apnews.excite.com/article/20020219/D7HP8G0O0.html



Court Upholds School Grading Practice

02/19/2002 12:14 PM EST

By ANNE GEARAN

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court upheld the common schoolroom practice of having one student grade another's work, ruling Tuesday that such paper-swapping does not violate federal privacy law.

The 9-0 ruling ends a challenge filed by a mother whose learning-disabled son was ridiculed as a "dummy" when his poor grades were read aloud to classmates.

[...]

Teachers nationwide commonly tell students to swap homework, quizzes or other schoolwork and then correct one another's work as the teacher goes over it aloud. Sometimes the teacher then has students call out the results, and the teacher records them.

"Correcting a classmate's work can be as much a part of the assignment as taking the test itself," Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote for himself and seven colleagues. Justice Antonin Scalia filed a separate concurring opinion.

"It is a way to teach material again in a new context, and it helps show students how to assist and respect fellow pupils," wrote Kennedy, a former law professor who still teaches several classes a year.

Kristja Falvo won a lower court decision that banned classroom grading aloud as a violation of a 1974 law that gave parents veto power over the release of student "education records."

At issue for the Supreme Court was whether the result of a pop quiz or other classwork is considered a record under the law. The Owasso, Okla., school district Falvo's children attend argued that such a broad interpretation could outlaw the school honor roll, or even the practice of working out a math problem on the blackboard. The Bush administration backed the school district.

Falvo's lawsuit became an ideological contest between the rights of parents and the rights of teachers to run their classrooms, and between social conservatives and teachers' unions.

Falvo said Tuesday she has been contacted by parents throughout the country who object to the grading practice, and she still hopes to see it end. Congress could ban the practice, or schools could discontinue it on their own, she said.

"Maybe they won't use it, because sometimes something legal isn't healthy," she said.

"This is a practice that has gone on forever and does not disadvantage children," said Bruce Hunter, director of public policy for the American Association of School Administrators, which represents the nation's school superintendents.

"It gives them instant feedback," Hunter said. "While they're looking at someone else's paper, they're thinking about the answers."

Kennedy, who asked during oral arguments last year if privacy law would forbid the awarding of gold stars for good work, said that the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals Court's rationale in this case would vastly expand teachers' workloads.

Teachers would have to maintain separate records for each student, rather than a universal grade book, and students who graded even their own papers would become legal custodians of those records, Kennedy noted.

Further, applying federal privacy law that way would erode the principle that education is a local matter, Kennedy wrote.

"The court of appeals' logic ... would effect a drastic alteration of the existing allocation of responsibilities between states and the national government in the operation of the nation's schools," Kennedy wrote.

Falvo's 1998 lawsuit claimed that paper-swapping violated students' civil rights. A federal judge threw out the case, but the Denver-based appeals court reinstated it in a ruling that focused on a 1974 educational privacy law.

The Bush administration argued that in passing the law, Congress was concerned with preserving the privacy of final, institutional records of a school, not the results of one day's classwork.

The case is Owasso Independent School District v. Falvo, 00-1073.


I can't believe that this issue made it all the way to the Supreme Court. I'm just glad that reason prevailed.

welfareloser
02-19-2002, 12:32 PM
i always did feel sorry for the kids that did poorly when it came to paper-swapping. i was always as nice as possible when i got a bad paper, and i think everyone else in my class then was, too... but obviously not everyone is. this kinda thing falls into the same category as allowing kids to pick teams, making kids go up to the board to work on a problem, etc. it can really suck.

teachers often ignore kids being ridiculed because they don't know how to handle or think they can't stop it or decide it isn't their place or just don't care. it's too bad that kid had to go through it.

i would hope that the mother took it as far as the supreme court because she had tried to go through school channels and kept getting ignored. (no, i don't "support" making it illegal or taking it to the supreme court... i'm just trying to figger out why the heck it got there at all. i think the real issue was something other than paper-swapping...)

that had to be one surreal supreme court case.

Memo
02-19-2002, 01:22 PM
This is funny. My Government professor sent us a link to this. One of the requirements of the class is keeping up with teh news everday and we grade each others quizzes during the discussion sessions with the TA's. $100 says a question about this is on the next quiz.

Markel
02-19-2002, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by UT Memo
This is funny. My Government professor sent us a link to this. One of the requirements of the class is keeping up with teh news everday and we grade each others quizzes during the discussion sessions with the TA's. $100 says a question about this is on the next quiz.
There you have it, folks. Unsolicited testimony to the fact that spending time on Got|Apex? CAN help improve your grades! :D

molecularfire
02-19-2002, 01:27 PM
I actually liked having other kids grade my quizzes and stuff when I was a little kid. When I did badly, I got embarrassed and worked harder. When someone did very good, at least we knew who to beat up during recess. :)

welfareloser
02-19-2002, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by molecularfire
When someone did very good, at least we knew who to beat up during recess. :)

:heh:

whitak24
02-19-2002, 01:33 PM
ok, first off, i agree with the court's decision. the lawsuit was not, in my opinion, a good idea.
at the same time, building off what welfare said, i can totally understand why the case ended up in the supreme court. from my experiences in school (i had a mother who tended to have "problems" with things and had no problem trying to get a resolution to her "problems" from teachers. not necessarily enjoyable, but that's another story....), it is VERY difficult to get teachers to listen to or do anything about parental concerns. teachers tend to take a "hear no evil, see no evil" viewpoint......they just don't want to address problems in their classroom. it's unfortunate, but it seems to be that way at a lot of schools.

molecularfire
02-19-2002, 01:35 PM
Yeah, but if teachers cared, over 2/3 of my graduating class in high school wouldn't have graduated.

Memo
02-19-2002, 01:39 PM
Actually, I think if teachers REALLY cared about the students, MORE would graduate.

welfareloser
02-19-2002, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by UT Memo
Actually, I think if teachers REALLY cared about the students, MORE would graduate.

amen, brutha!

Markel
02-19-2002, 02:00 PM
There are some teachers that take this attitude: "If a child fails a subject, I (the teacher) have failed. It is my responsibility to educate the student."

molecularfire
02-19-2002, 02:04 PM
Well... in my high school, any teacher that felt that way wouldn't last a week. Sad really, but to be honest, most of the students don't give a crap about learning. They go to school because they have to, and they have to because it saves the city a lot of money and police time to have them locked up for most of the day. Kinda sad to say, but I've seen new teachers who care and really believe they can make a difference get smashed. Sad really...

whitak24
02-19-2002, 02:11 PM
i don't want to turn this into a teacher-bashing session. i was close to many teachers in high school and i know that they all cared, and cared very deeply. it's just that a variety of factors (the biggest of which is probably students who don't care, followed closely by all of the bureaucracy they have to fight through) makes it hard for them to give as much individual attention to kids as they would like. as a result they just kind of ignore a lot of the problems and hope that they can focus their energy on a few kids who do care.....

welfareloser
02-19-2002, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by molecularfire
Well... in my high school, any teacher that felt that way wouldn't last a week. Sad really, but to be honest, most of the students don't give a crap about learning. They go to school because they have to, and they have to because it saves the city a lot of money and police time to have them locked up for most of the day. Kinda sad to say, but I've seen new teachers who care and really believe they can make a difference get smashed. Sad really...

yeah, one of my friends is a gung-ho enthusiastic teacher and she's just getting stomped by classrooms full of rural kids with no interest in learning or going to college or finishing high school. they're incredibly verbally combative, take any excuse to pick a fight and show how cool they are... it really makes me want to divide kids up into "kids who care" schools and "kids who don't give a rat's ass" schools. not who's smart and who's not, none of this "gifted program" crap... motivated and non-motivated. you can go to the motivated school any time you want to, and be challenged appropriately for your abilities, or you can go to the non-motivated school, get your minimum amount of learnin (making change at a cash register and recognizing the states) done with no hassles - the harder you work, the faster you can get your minimum workload done and get the heck out of school, and that oughtta be impetus enough to keep teh behavior at a reasonable level.

Kevster
02-19-2002, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Markel
There are some teachers that take this attitude: "If a child fails a subject, I (the teacher) have failed. It is my responsibility to educate the student."

I'm happy to say that I had several teachers at the right time that felt that way.

I also had a couple of teachers at the wrong time that didn't give a rat's *** what the students learned since they had tenure and couldn't be touched. :angry: They would just follow the book in class and never really even *teach*.

Having the right teacher can make all the difference in the world. I had a teacher for Differential Equations & Linear Systems that was horrible (he was fired after his first year) and I ended up with a D in the class. I took it again the next semester with an excellent professor (who was also a lot tougher) and got an A-. When it comes to the student's absoption and understanding of the material, the right teacher can make all the difference in the world.

whitak24
02-19-2002, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by welfareloser

...
get your minimum amount of learnin (.... and recognizing the states)
...
um, i'm not sure, but i don't think the "recognizing the states" part would be required :P

:hmm:

Markel
02-19-2002, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by whitak24

um, i'm not sure, but i don't think the "recognizing the states" part would be required :P

and most cashiers these days couldn't figure out how much change to give you if the register didn't tell them.