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aglio412
02-21-2002, 06:34 AM
watch out you winamp haters....

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40495-2002Feb20.html

Microsoft Media Player Logs Choices

By D. Ian Hopper
AP Technology Writer
Wednesday, February 20, 2002; 4:18 PM

WASHINGTON –– Microsoft's new version of its popular Media Player software is logging the songs and movies that customers play.

The company said Wednesday it was changing its privacy statement to notify customers about the technology after inquiries from The Associated Press.

The system creates a list on each computer that could be a treasure for marketing companies, lawyers or others. Microsoft says it has no plans to sell the data collected by Media Player 8, which comes free with the Windows XP operating system.

"If you're watching DVDs you don't want your wife to know about, you might not want to give her your password," said David Caulton, Microsoft's lead program manager for Windows Media.

The new privacy policy was issued Wednesday.

The media player has been bundled as a free addition to Windows for several years and allows users to play music CDs, DVD movies and digitally stored songs on their computers.

When a CD is played, the player downloads the disc name and titles for each song from a Web site licensed by Microsoft. That information is stored on a small file on each computer in the latest version of the software.

The new version released with Windows XP last fall also added the same technology for DVD movies.

Microsoft's original privacy statement informed customers that they were downloading the information about CDs but never stated it was being stored in a log file on each computer.

The new statement makes clear that information is being downloaded for both DVDs and CDs, but does not explain how users can eliminate or get into the log file.

"It definitely could have been clearer and more specific about DVDs," Caulton said.

As part of downloading the information about songs and movies from the Web site, the program also transmits an identifier number unique to each user on the computer. That creates the possibility that user habits could be tracked and sold for marketing purposes.

Privacy experts said they feared the log file could be used by investigators, divorce lawyers, snooping family members, marketing companies or others interested in learning about a person's entertainment habits. It also could be used to make sure users have paid for the music or movie, and have not made an illegal copy.

"The big picture might be the owners of intellectual property wanting to track access to their property," said Peter Swire, a law professor at Ohio State University.

Microsoft said the program creates the log file so a user does not have to download repeatedly the same track, album or movie information. The company said the ID number was created simply to allow Media Players users to have a personal account on the Web site dealing with the software.

Neither is sold or shared with others, and no information is collected on Microsoft's servers that would be personally identifiable, officials said.

"This is essentially a case where it (the ID) doesn't serve any purpose and it isn't used," Caulton said.

Jonathan Usher, another Windows Media executive, said Microsoft has no plans to market aggregate information about its customers' viewing habits, but would not rule it out.

"If users tell us that they want the ability to get recommendations, that's something we could look into on the behalf of users," Usher said.

In a recent memo, Microsoft chairman Bill Gates ordered his company to check for privacy and security concerns before adding new features.

"Users should be in control of how their data is used," Gates wrote. "Policies for information use should be clear to the user. Users should be in control of when and if they receive information to make best use of their time."

Privacy researcher Richard Smith, who researched how Media Player stored and transmitted the information, questioned why the program has to give chapter information for DVDs at all because almost all discs have chapter listings in an interactive menu within the movie.

He said the feature seems to conflict with Gates' directive.

"You can really see the Microsoft culture coming through that Gates wants to change. These guys are digging in their heels," he said.

BigJon
02-21-2002, 06:41 AM
Originally posted by aglio412
The system creates a list on each computer that could be a treasure for marketing companies, lawyers or others. Microsoft says it has no plans to sell the data collected by Media Player 8, which comes free with the Windows XP operating system.

Has no plans to sell the info....pshaw!...why else would you collect it?!?!

whitak24
02-21-2002, 08:52 AM
just one more reason to stay away from microsoft products as much as possible.

Memo
02-21-2002, 09:07 AM
Would stuff like this be admissable in court if say I ever got caught for having mp3s on my computer? I always use Media Player.

DoPeY5007
02-21-2002, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by aglio412
"If you're watching DVDs you don't want your wife to know about, you might not want to give her your password," said David Caulton, Microsoft's lead program manager for Windows Media.




/me better change my XP login password :shifty:

Grimm
02-21-2002, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by aglio412
[B]watch out you winamp haters....

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40495-2002Feb20.html

Microsoft Media Player Logs Choices

By D. Ian Hopper
AP Technology Writer
Wednesday, February 20, 2002; 4:18 PM
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The company said the ID number was created simply to allow Media Players users to have a personal account on the Web site dealing with the software.
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:hmm: A personal account that we will never access because it is not actualy available to the user online...
I'm having a little trouble believing that one. They were caught red handed, bring on the lawyers!

jujubees
02-21-2002, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by DoPeY5007
/me better change my XP login password :shifty: But Pink already knows about your GGW collection. :P

OC
02-21-2002, 12:01 PM
This really ticks me off. It's none of M$'s GD business what I watch or listen to! "Privacy Policy" my *ss - more like "No-Privacy Policy".

I am going to spend the next few days going all out with Linux. The sooner I can get the hell away from M$ the better.

-OC

mojo
02-21-2002, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by overclocked
This really ticks me off. It's none of M$'s GD business what I watch or listen to! "Privacy Policy" my *ss - more like "No-Privacy Policy".

I am going to spend the next few days going all out with Linux. The sooner I can get the hell away from M$ the better.

-OC i'm with you...unfortunately, i've found limited support for things like yahoo messenger and stuff with linux. the software is there, but they always keep the windows version as the badass version and others as window dressing.

if we could just get more support for the cool toys it would be great!

aglio412
02-21-2002, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by mojo
i'm with you...unfortunately, i've found limited support for things like yahoo messenger and stuff with linux. the software is there, but they always keep the windows version as the badass version and others as window dressing.

if we could just get more support for the cool toys it would be great!

IMHO xmms for linux is way better than winamp, and AIM has a full featured linux version...netscape runs very well on linux also. for a genral purpose surfing, mp3, office suite (star office rules) machine that allows you to remain private, linux is the way to go...

i can't think of one windows app that doesn't have a suitable linux counterpart..granted if you're doing high level excel/access things, flash/shockwave or windows specific programming then maybe, but i'd go as far to say that 75-90% of the typical pc user's activities could be accommodated on a linux box.

mojo
02-21-2002, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by aglio412


IMHO xmms for linux is way better than winamp, and AIM has a full featured linux version...netscape runs very well on linux also. for a genral purpose surfing, mp3, office suite (star office rules) machine that allows you to remain private, linux is the way to go...

i can't think of one windows app that doesn't have a suitable linux counterpart..granted if you're doing high level excel/access things, flash/shockwave or windows specific programming then maybe, but i'd go as far to say that 75-90% of the typical pc user's activities could be accommodated on a linux box. for AIM, i'd use GAIM. for winamp, yes, xmms. but what i'm telling you is the stuff that i use has better versions for windows.

as for what i use in linux, i'd say opera or lynx for browsing (cuz i get tired of ps ax | grep netscape, kill (pid) netscape). i use gimp a lot. xmms is good. i don't use office stuff, but i'm not a star office fan. abiword gets me around most docs, plus gnumeric worksheet.

but as far as what i was saying...the codecs on linux for movies aren't as good. some streams just don't work. the yahoo messenger (again) just isn't as good. just these are the main ones really.

aglio412
02-21-2002, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by mojo
(cuz i get tired of ps ax | grep netscape, kill (pid) netscape). i

feelin ya there...mebbe i should download opera for my linux box...



Originally posted by mojo

use gimp a lot. xmms is good. i don't use office stuff, but i'm not a star office fan. abiword gets me around most docs, plus gnumeric worksheet.


the new version of star office is pretty good compared to other releases, but for most users, a full featured office package isn't as necessary as microsoft would like you to believe, so yeah, abiword and gnumeric worksheet are fine.


Originally posted by mojo

but as far as what i was saying...the codecs on linux for movies aren't as good. some streams just don't work. the yahoo messenger (again) just isn't as good. just these are the main ones really.

good point, i didn't even think of the movie/dvd aspect of things...i have a windows box for that...hehehehe...other than basic divx codecs, getting movies to work on windoze is alot easier than making them work on teh linucks. and yeah, i used to use the Y! messenger a few years ago at my old job (linux webmaster/admin...why did i ever leave!??!!) and wasn't very impressed..

leemaj
02-21-2002, 03:29 PM
im stickin to 6.4.....but on my school's computers, we downloaded how high on the teacher's comp...she has wmp 7.0 i belive.

zcloydster
02-21-2002, 03:36 PM
this is why after im done with this computer im taking it into the yard, beating it with a sledge, lacing it with 100% genuine Tijuana M-80s, burning it into ashes then scattering it into the Earth's magnetic field. :angel: