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sklim1

06-26-2000, 02:20 PM

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sklim

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pennypinch

06-26-2000, 02:27 PM

Yeah, I was wondering what that car was like...so pretty nice, huh? How much power/how many doors/how much is MSRP/what options? I was looking at getting a new car too, but I might not be able to go into a car. I've driven SUV's since high school, don't think a little wannabe sports car would fit my life...

jeepers

06-26-2000, 03:12 PM

If you're serious about buying, try http://www.priceline.com

You can name your price for cars now (most, but not all areas). If you do get your price, and you flake, they charge you a 250.00 fee (use a web certificate http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif ).

I picked my price for my 2000 Mustang GT Convertable, and saved myself the hassel of dealing with slimey salesmen http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

loup

06-26-2000, 03:46 PM

i'm considering of getting these baby myself... good ride... though the pushing button for the stick option is boring.....

G_Sup

06-26-2000, 04:01 PM

I thought I saw a $5 off coupon somewhere, but it might of been for the Lexus 400.

sklim1

06-26-2000, 04:46 PM

Here's the verdict from my test drive:
(Thanks for the crazy salesman that let me bust up the car pretty good)

Price: $33,740 msrp (absolutely no discounts!)

Very short review:
Handling is truly amazing. I did turns at 30 miles/hr and did not loose the road at all. Acceleration is also fairly quick for the automatic mode. Yes, I agree, the push button "tiptronic" is a bit boring but then again it worse if it didn't have that function. The anti-lock breaking worked extremely well. We scare the **** out of the old lady on the next lane. Wow, what an experience! Truly a BMW 3 series killer!

sklim

Pdizog

06-26-2000, 05:04 PM

I think the bimmer still rules. Looks and Performance hands down.

mahalo

06-26-2000, 05:22 PM

Personally, I am not a fan of the way that the Lexus looks. The back looks a lot like the GS series, which is not a good thing.

Basically, the IS is a baby GS.

Unless you are in your thirties or older, stick with the BMW or the Audi. The lexus is for OLD people!

spigidygak

06-26-2000, 07:18 PM

Here is the deal, get the BMW 328 and you'll have the ultimate driving machine and a great deal. The Lexus looks all right but, its automatic. Manual is the way to go for a true sports sedan. But its your cash so good luck in finding a good price, highly unlikely since it is selling well, if anything dealers will be inclined to sell way over retail.

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resented

06-26-2000, 08:31 PM

I just picked up an Audi A4 sport edition, Flush Yellow color. I love it. Had it for 2 weeks now, and can't get over it. I test drove the BMW, and the Lexus, all which fall to the power of the 2.8 V6 Audi. I'm not here to compete my results with others, but the options for everything were so very similar, 3 yr full warranty on everything, (BMW LEXUS AUDI). I also got the 34,000 car for 28,600. I bought it from Midwestern Auto Group in Dublin, OH, in Northwest Columbus. Supposedly they have the largest inventory for BMW, AUDI, and VW cars, not to mention all the other european cars, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Porsche, etc. Check them out if you are near the area. Also, check out the Audi, you'll be surprised. Mine is exactly like this one..as soon as the ground effects come in, and get painted and applied. Same color and everything. http://www.erebunicorp.com/new/audi.htm

BTW Chicks dig it...and I love it.

Also, forgot to say this. I did 120 in 4th gear, 85mph on a 30mph exit ramp, and never got the tires squealin'. It handles better than my eclipse ever did, but that is probably because of the sport package. Also Xenon lights own me.

Main reason I chose A4, had everything I wanted for the best price. I was honestly stuck between the three cars. The info about the lexus and BMW was deceiving, so since the Audi was straightforward I went for it. Not to mention nearly 5.4k off the retail price, and dealer inventory price was 28,400. So, if I had to do it all over again, I'd have another headache for a week figuring out which to get. Good Luck, and no matter which you choose, you'll be happy with it.

resented

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sklim1

06-26-2000, 09:16 PM

Ok, just to be fair to you Beamer and Audi folks, I will test both of them. One factor every one I think over looking is reliability. Call me a bigot but I think Japanese engineering and reliability is top notched.

carmat3

06-26-2000, 09:31 PM

Go to www.edmunds.com, (http://www.edmunds.com,) and go to the townhall forums. This is one of the biggest car sites on the internet, ask questions, the locals know just about everything you want to know for leases of purchases. You should also do a search, someone might have started a thread for the Lexus IS 300 already. Do you homework here, you might get a better deal, but keep in mind that the IS 300 is a hot car right now.

reagancajun

06-26-2000, 11:11 PM

Y'all, Lexus cars are for middle class folks pretending to be upper class. In other words, they're for buttholes. If you don't want to look pretentious, go with the BMW. Besides, they kick serious tail. They last for freakin' ever! And, man, can they handle the road.

nfarzan

06-26-2000, 11:45 PM

NOTHING BEATS GERMAN ENGINEERING!!!

spigidygak

06-26-2000, 11:55 PM

Sure Japanese cars are reliable, but nothing beats German Engineering. Look at Mercedes for example. Those automobiles have to be the most reliable on the road. In my area there are a bunch of Benzes running around that are at least 20+ years old! My friend has one thats about 15+ years I think and has over 250,000 miles and is still running great, never a major problem. BMW is improving since they are a fairly new company and Audi's are great when you need a four wheel drive car. Hey resented, is that Audi you got a quattro? Thats a great deal you got. For a 2.8.

kdevil

06-27-2000, 12:36 AM

I have been really impressed with my friends 328, but I still think I would buy an S4 if I had the money he did.

hapoo

06-27-2000, 12:47 AM

BMW!!!!!!!!!!!!

here i am guys, i dont visit the hot deals forum as much as i should.

hapoo

06-27-2000, 12:52 AM

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hapoo

06-27-2000, 12:53 AM

muhahahahahahahaha http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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colossus

06-27-2000, 03:02 AM

First off, let me say "Where's Hapoo in all this madness?!?"

Hmm, I think this thread should be moved to the cars section. Since it had an initial deal pretense, I'll commense posting.

Unless you know a Lexus deal or get carried away with "Gone in 60 seconds", this is the cheapest way I know how to get a car. Go to autobytel.com and pick exactly what you want on the car. Send in the request. A dealer will call you and ask if you're ready to buy. Only guy if you're ready to sign that day or they get pissed. Go there, check out the car for any damage, test drive just to make sure nothing rattles on your car, and buy it. Depending on how hot the car is you might be able to get it anywhere between $500 below invoice to $300 above. I got my Contour SVT via this method for $400 below invoice - and the dealer still makes money, but from Ford and not me hehe.

With regards to the IS, the second I saw their commercial talking smack about "my" 328i I went to the Lexus dealership in Cerritos. BTW, I live in Cerritos and have no life, so all the car dealers (25) know me on a first name basis hehe.

Anyways, I checked out the car. I was willing to give Lexus a chance after I saw the GS400. It's probably the only Lexus I would consider buying. This car looks like a Lexus on the inside - I need not say more.

As far as sport is concerned, you can't select the gear so don't bother trying to race this thing on Auto-X. I coerced the Lexus dealer into letting me burn a little rubber around the 91/605 area (after all I helped them make 14 GS-400 sales via referrals).

My conclusion is the car is the first car that is not Lexusy if that is a word. You can actually hear an exhaust! http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/eek.gif The car grips, it responds, it does what you want it to do. BMW it is not, however. Lexus may claim to to better the 328i on the track, but the Beemer just gives so much more pedal feel, road control and feedback to the driver that the Lexus still seems distanced.

Here's the biggest problem - the rear seats are small. For me this isn't a problem as I don't have kids and don't haul people. Lexus is a people mover, this car isn't. This might be the downfall of this car. If they do try to lengthen the wheelbase the handling will undoubtedly decrease.

The IS and the 328i compete for the above $30k performance sedan category. In the under $30k the Infinit G20, Audio A4, and Ford Contour SVT compete. I've driven all three of these, and own the Contour.

If you don't want to shell out more than $21K, the SVT is the way to go. With less than $800 in mods I got my car up to 146mph and 176 HP at the front wheels on a dyno. Too bad 2000 is the last year for this car. Like the IS, it had to small rear seat space.

Check out Edmunds' review for a comparo http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/whitmore/98Audi.A4.98Ford.Contour.98Infiniti.G20.rt.html

I love Audi's styling and their use of Aluminum, but I would have to say their best cars are their station wagons. Take one of those bad boys down to Baja or there desert and drive like Mad Max http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

Anybody who makes generalizations like German or Japanese or American cars are this and that isn't a true car enthusiast. I found happiness driving a station wagon today, and later on I drove my SVT at around 130 mph on the 57 http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

'nuf said.

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BHunter

06-27-2000, 05:13 AM

FYI http://www.valueconsumer.com/eDeals/Auto.htm lists FF miles and cashback choices for using auto buying services.

johnnymk

06-27-2000, 05:24 AM

Personally, I believe that any car over $10,000 is a ripoff; but then , they don't call me cheapskate for nuthin'.

Havok-

06-27-2000, 06:44 AM

I've owned a Lexus SC400 for about 5 years now, and it is a fabulous car. I would not hesitate to recommend any Lexus model on the basis of the excellent experiences I've had with my car, both in terms of service, performance, reliability, and workmanship. Others in my family own late model Mercedes-Benz, and they are a world of grief in comparison to my car. I don't know much about BMWs (never owned one), but they seem overpriced in comparison to what you can get in a comparable Lexus.

resented

06-27-2000, 08:31 AM

I did not get the Quattro, to save a little on Insurance. However I test drove both cars, in manual, and it "feels" as though without Quattro you have more power. It's because its a pull from the front only. I went with the 2wd also because of the Gas price Gauging that is going on here. I have to buy 2.10 Premium, and I get ~27mpg average, with the Quattro you get 4 less. It's pennies but in the long run a savings.

My mother has an Infinity, I30t, and loves it. It's too much of a family car for me, so I looked at the G40? which is similar to the 30k sportier cars. I didn't care for it still from the fact it felt family. My audi has superb suspension, sport bucket seats, and after testdriving the IS300, the Audi I have kills it because its manual. Funny how they compare the Audi A4 on the Lexus website, with the smallest engine, vs the the bigger engine Lexus. Compare it to the V6, I dare them. As I have said before, I was stuck between these three vehicles, BMW, Audi, and Lexus. Final decision was I got the 34k car for 28.6k . If BMW or Lexus had that same deal, I would have been choosing the cheaper. Neither one did. MAG in Columbus sells BMW and Audi, and basically said they don't have leverage in prices for BMW's like they do Audi's. From what I hear, not many people buy Audi's, instead they get BMW.

A co-worker of mine has the 328i. In 2001, they will drop a BMW line for a 330, so I am told. We always dig at each other about features etc etc. Overall, I have been able to find more features in mine, that the BMW does not have. I also have the Navigation GPS system, which neither cars had for the price.

Choosing between these three will make life hard, unless your a die hard BM'r or Lexus person. I had no real preference between the three.

Enjoy your test drives. And Good luck

resented

P.S. As far as reliability, BMW and Audi are some of the longest lasting cars on the road today. For instance, a 5 yr old BMW with 50k miles on it is worth 3k less than MSRP. Go figure, but its true. I had an Eclipse before, (I know made in IL but its supposed to be jap) and I had quite a few troubles with it. In the end, I could tell it wasn't nearly as good a car I thought it was. If you pay 30k for a car, expect good reliability, they call the BMW and Audi a 3 yr test drive, because you can drive it for 3 yrs, if ANYTHING happens they repair or replace parts for free. (yes even windshield wiper blades)

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DevynS

06-27-2000, 08:44 AM

The deal on buying a Lexus is to buy a Toyota. It is the same car, but with leather seats. I have a 99 Camry and it's a nice car.

ken

06-27-2000, 09:12 AM

First off, BMW's are NOT in the same price range as the Lexus IS. It always annoys me that BMW can get away with their BS base pricing. Whatever price you see as the base of a BMW, tack on 5k, because that's how much the "options" (like leather) will cost in total.

Also, people always seem to confuse Japanese reliability as including Mitsubishi, Subaru, Mazda, etc. Japanese reliability only applies to Toyota, Nissan and Honda. The others are as reliable as any other American car besides Saturn.

And regarding places like autobytel, I've had no luck with those. They're just referral services, the dealer doesn't have to do squat, and they don't. If you want to talk to a dealer, just walk in. Its all the same, you'd get the same deal and you have to fight just as hard for it. If you want no hassle, go with carsdirect or greenlight.

06-27-2000, 09:29 AM

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The deal on buying a Lexus is to buy a Toyota. It is the same car, but with leather seats. I have a 99 Camry and it's a nice car.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This doesnt work because there is no Toyota equivalent to this car, at least on this end of the Atlantic...

06-27-2000, 09:30 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ken:
First off, BMW's are NOT in the same price range as the Lexus IS. It always annoys me that BMW can get away with their BS base pricing. Whatever price you see as the base of a BMW, tack on 5k, because that's how much the "options" (like leather) will cost in total.
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I hear the base 323ci is a nice car still for alot less....if you can stand leatherette interior...

blxmjx

06-27-2000, 10:03 AM

BMW's aren't all that. Except for the M5 that car is the bomb.

sklim1

06-27-2000, 10:06 AM

Nicely said, Ken. Reliability is not based on one person, your grandma, the person you know next door. It's based on thousands of customer over a long period of time. If you look at JD powers stats for the last ten years, you will more Japanese makers than anything else particularly Toyota and Honda.

resented

06-27-2000, 11:02 AM

Ken, if you pre-order a BMW the way you want it, then it is in the same price range. There is no extras for ordering. However, 85% of the BMW's imported for dealers have options up the wazoo to make them 5k+ base MSRP. The 323i with a decent package w/o ordering starts at 32.7k. The 328 however mostly start at 35-39+. BMW IS NOT the only manu that does this. Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, and many others do this also. Why does Jap reliability only apply to Honda Toyota and Nissan? All of which 75% or more of their cars in the US are made in the USA.

I agree with the autobytel stuff, just a bunch of non-follow up referrals.

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resented

tseng99

06-27-2000, 01:12 PM

why didn't anyone mention the
Mercedes C230 Kompressor?...granted performance and handling is below par of that of BMW...but the funniest thing...
I passed a '99 BMW 328i...and the driver was looking at me as I drove by!! I still think the Benz is the way to go!! I got my 1999 model for $35,000 out the door...the service, quality, reliability, and styling is great! Mercedes' classic styling will never fade!!

the_dude8

06-27-2000, 01:36 PM

what does BMW stand for???what is the msrp for the bmw 328i???i think the best deal is the BMX available @ your local wal-mart,, u dont need to buy gas and it saves the environment..hehehehe btw how much does the bmw M3 kost???

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hapoo

06-27-2000, 01:42 PM

all these questions and more can be answered at the official web site www.bmw.com (http://www.bmw.com)

Space_boy

06-27-2000, 01:50 PM

G_sup,

That $5 coupon isn't good anymore! The guys at Anandtech ruined it for the rest of us by buying 10 at a time! Someone's got to stop them.

But you may want to consider findind an OD pricematch. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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hapoo

06-27-2000, 01:53 PM

uhh
wrong thread

spigidygak

06-27-2000, 02:02 PM

Nice work Hapoo. heheehehehe (wallpaper very nice whooever did that). BMW=Bavarian Motor Works.

nootch

06-27-2000, 02:06 PM

I have the 323i and I couldn't be happier (well, once I make some mods I'll be happier, but you know what I mean http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif). I'll save the preaching since I'm sure, once you test drive the three, one of the cars will 'speak to you' and that's the car you should go with. Personally I'm not much of a Lexus fan (though I admit the IS300 looks pretty cool). A good friend of mine has an A4 2.8 Quattro and he was very impressed when he got into my car. The engineers behind the new 3 series really thought about everything when designing this car, and it really comes through when you're driving it.

resented: for 28k, I'd probably go with the A4 as well. My 323 ran a little more than I was hoping, but I had a specific set of options I wanted.

sklim: happy car hunting, even if you pick the Lexus http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/wink.gif

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hapoo

06-27-2000, 02:08 PM

Thank you spigidygak, the wallpaper was my doing http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

The Rock

06-27-2000, 02:19 PM

http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif BMW: Break My Wallet, heh, heh...Seems like any service you do costs 500 beans, no matter what it is. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/redface.gif

nfarzan

06-27-2000, 02:39 PM

I actually stands for Bavarian Motor Werks (works in german)

nfarzan

06-27-2000, 02:40 PM

i wish i could have a pocket rocket like the 328ci, but i am stuck hauling around a 4100lbs Ranger Rover 4.0SE...great off-road though!

ken

06-27-2000, 03:30 PM

This BMW background is extremely annoying.

Anyway, BMW's always cost 5k+base msrp because you simply CAN'T get a bmw in leatherette, that defeats the whole point. And other than Audi and Mercedes (maybe its a German thing), not a single other competitor does the option game.

Whether you disagree whether these companies are in the same league as BMW or not, they don't do the options trick: Saab, Volvo, Acura, Lexus, Infiniti - I don't know about Jaguar. I think I've exhausted them all. All these other manufacturers have leather standard - I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. For many, premium sound is also standard.

And Japanese reliability only applies to Toyota, Honda and Nissan because they're the ones who are car manufacturers. The other japanese companies (I believe) made something else before making cars, part of that "we have to make everything" Japanese business philosophy. And for some reason, the quality followed the companies after they moved operations into america, must simply be good management.

Anyway, JD Powers backs me up on only Honda, Toyota and Nissan having Japanese quality.

Back on th BMW option b.s., I went in to get a new 323 convertible, and guess what, power top is an option. Geez, they may as well be a parts dealer and sell you the cars bit by bit. My problem with any options at all, is that for every option that lowers the available price, it increases the price of the fully loaded car. If BMW made every car fully loaded, the entire cost of the car would be less, much less when you figure that a 6 disc cd changer, as a dealer installed option, can be as high as one grand - ouch!.

spigidygak

06-27-2000, 03:35 PM

Actually the True meaning of BMW in German is: Bayerische Motoren Werke

sklim1

06-27-2000, 03:55 PM

HERE IT IS: NO BICKERING ABOUT WHICH CAR IS BETTER: 328 V. IS 300 VS. AUDI A4.

Go to wwww.lexusistour.com and register for the tour event where you can watch all 3 cars go head to head to see who is better in performance. You can sit with a pro driver in the car!!

sklim1

nfarzan

06-27-2000, 04:12 PM

In Silicon Valley, every bmw, mercedes, porsche, jaguar, range rover, and ferrari has at least a 6 months waiting list, some up to 3 YEARS!!!. There are plenty of Audi and Lexus's gathering dust in the lots. Tell you something? Doesn't it??

RigorMortis

06-27-2000, 04:34 PM

Lexus(Toyota!) sucks, might as well buy a toyota...

Audi and BMW are also weak...

Buy something American with more ballz...

resented

06-27-2000, 04:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by sklim1:
HERE IT IS: NO BICKERING ABOUT WHICH CAR IS BETTER: 328 V. IS 300 VS. AUDI A4.

Go to wwww.lexusistour.com and register for the tour event where you can watch all 3 cars go head to head to see who is better in performance. You can sit with a pro driver in the car!!

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Guaranteed they don't have the V6 Audi

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hapoo

06-27-2000, 04:56 PM

no audi

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hapoo

06-27-2000, 06:55 PM

muhahah BMW FOREVER!!!

nfarzan

06-27-2000, 06:58 PM

i agree 100% hapoo...BMW ghodah hast!

hapoo

06-27-2000, 07:18 PM

hehehe lol
thanks nfarzan

It runs in our blood though, so i could understand why others wouldn't get it.

btw, its nice to have another persian on the forums http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

nootch

06-27-2000, 08:01 PM

hapoo: bokonesh setoh http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/wink.gif

hapoo

06-27-2000, 08:07 PM

http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

correction: nice to have 2 other persians on the forums http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

hapoo

06-27-2000, 08:11 PM

welcome to the forums nootch http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
khosh amadeed

nfarzan

06-27-2000, 08:39 PM

thanks to whoever changed the background!
how do you do that by the way??

hapoo

06-27-2000, 09:03 PM

i changed it
muhahahahahahahahahaha http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

hapoo

06-27-2000, 09:04 PM

i refuse to have an audi background

sklim1

06-27-2000, 09:07 PM

Holy crap! Where did the POST REPLY button went?

hapoo

06-27-2000, 09:09 PM

yeah, its kinda hard to see against the background

colossus

06-27-2000, 10:28 PM

Damn Hapoo, I told you to come in and post here, but you went nuts hehe. Everybody, I'm sorry for unleashing Hapoo on you. You have to understand he's genetically predisposed to driving a BMW http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

And 140 posts in less than 24 hours? http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/eek.gif Dude, you are going to hit 1,000 posts by end of today just like I predicted! Leon, do I win anything for guessing it would be Hapoo and the date http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

With regards to reliability, I have been in way too many pissing contests to start talking about it here. All I have to say is don't put all your confidence in JD Powers. They are probably the most accurate surveyors out there, but their methods results in a skewed population response. Take 3 or 4 bio statistics class and you'll see why. This is why medical studies always seem to conflict each other. This is also why those freebies like T-shirts and CDs and such are always answered by the same 10,000 or so people hehe. You know who you are.

The best way to appraise a car's reliability is to go to a mechanic who services all kinds of cars. Ask him what goes bad on this kind of car. Every car has a weakness, and I know them for most cars as I live in freakin Cerritos - a city known only for its Auto Square...sad http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/frown.gif

I would take chances with a Nissan Maxima over a Toyota Rav 4 anyday as far as reliability is concerned. Ask a mechanic for why. Hmm, didn't Honda start off as only an electrical and high compression gas engine company way back in the day?

Now if anybody wants to try Auto-x or street drag against me let me know http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

As stated, one of these cars will call to you. Buy that one regardles of minor pricing differences and theorized reliability. What good is a reliable sports sedan if doesn't make you grin every morning http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

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colossus

06-27-2000, 10:32 PM

And the reason I mentioned Autobytel is because it worked for all 27 people I referred to it (hey, I didn't make any money). If you've always had to haggle down from the MSRP or advertised price this is the way to go. The fleet or general manager will admitedly let you know exactly how much he is making/losing.

If you don't want to use the service, walk into a showroom, ask for the fleet or general manager. If they are even there, or willing to see you - you can deal. Go in knowing the holdbacks, lotting costs, invoice, and whether cash up front could cut the costs. Most managers I've dealt with aren't happy to take on unscheduled guests, so I recommend Autobytel so that a dealership that is actually interested will call. Hope that helps.

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tseng99

06-27-2000, 10:41 PM

doesn't anyone like mercedes these days??
or are they more for older folk?

hapoo

06-27-2000, 10:45 PM

heheh http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

hapoo

06-27-2000, 10:48 PM

are you counting my posts colossus?!?! hehe

reagancajun

06-27-2000, 11:37 PM

People who drive Mercedes Benzes are like people who drive Lexuses: very middle class and pretentious. If you don't drive a BMW, drive an American car. American cars aren't pretending to be something they aren't. Hapoo, can I be an honorary Persian since I like BMWs so much? Jennifer

blxmjx

06-27-2000, 11:59 PM

So Colossus which car did you want to drag or auto-x with? The beemer or the contour.

hapoo

06-28-2000, 12:08 AM

reagancajun will from this point on be considered Persian http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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hapoo

06-28-2000, 12:54 AM

bump :D

colossus

06-28-2000, 04:30 AM

It's 4 AM and I'm posting. Anyway, Hapoo, you know I need to be made honorary Persian. In fact I'm burning a Persian CD as I type for my coworker. And I'm trying to kill my SVT in the next ten years so I can get me my M5. Nothing says in debt physician like a Beemer http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

I did a lot of Auto-X and ran Willow Springs last summer. Don't think I have the $ to do that kind of stuff now, nor the time. Med School starts again in 1 week http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/frown.gif

I don't mind driving around Malibu Canyon or up and down the 57 here in LA - LOVE THE TWISTIES with no traffic at 1 AM hehe.

In defense of a MB, watch the Peacemaker. That's an awesome scene with the 3 Beemers vs the MB. THAT's why you buy a MB. They're tanks and probably the only sedan other than Volvos and Audis that can go off road.

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resented

06-28-2000, 07:45 AM

Hapoo you didn't change it, you had sklim1 do it. Nice try

hapoo

06-28-2000, 01:04 PM

actually i didn't have him change it.

hapoo

06-28-2000, 01:13 PM

colossus will from this point on be considered Persian :D:D:D:D

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resented

06-04-2002, 06:48 PM

Thought I'd let you freaks know, I just bought a BMW 323i for the wife today...it's really nice and being an Audi and a BMW owner, I now rescind any negative statements about the BMW...both of them own! I traded the Audi in a few months ago for a big Eddie Bauer Ford Expedition...and the BMW makes me miss it!

Tommy Boomfiger

06-04-2002, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by resented
Thought I'd let you freaks know, I just bought a BMW 323i for the wife today...it's really nice and being an Audi and a BMW owner, I now rescind any negative statements about the BMW...both of them own! I traded the Audi in a few months ago for a big Eddie Bauer Ford Expedition...and the BMW makes me miss it! umm a little late with the reply huh.

Aristo

06-05-2002, 09:06 AM

I had a 97 manuel M3 before and BMW indeed is fun to drive but those small problems made me feel like a slave of my car.