Why Epox 8kHA+ suck

[xsiled2]

http://members.shaw.ca/wizeblood/pix/nvepox.jpg

Got an EPoX 8KHA+? Thinking of Getting a Visiontek Ti4600? Dont!

" Reports from around the net are that the Visiontek Ti4600 has a capacitor on it that could break when the card is inserted into the AGP slot on the EPoX board. This is caused by another capacitor under the AGP slot on the EPoX board being in the way. EPoX's statement to this was that it only happens with Visiontek cards. Heres a pic of whats happening. "

-ripped from another site

[Wizard]

Don't buy the [H]ard propaganda. Kyle has made all those statements without ever consulting EPoX to find out their stance. EPoX today made the first official statement. This is it:

As of March 1, 2002 EPoX has received claims from customers that there is a conflict between the 8KHA+ and Visiontek's GeForce 4 Ti 4600. Currently we have not been able to confirm where the problem lies and it is being closely looked at by our technical engineers and R/D. EPoX and the 8KHA+ has been the motherboard of choice for much of the computer enthusiast community and we will make every effort possible to keep positive communication and interaction between EPoX and this community. As for now please always use caution when inserting any riser cards (i.e. VGA cards) into EPoX motherboards, as well as any other manufacturers. This practice will prevent any forceful damages in the future.

Please note that here at EPoX we are always open to hear your comments and complaints and as always we strive to make sure all problems are dealt with in a timely and correct manner. Thank you for choosing EPoX for your motherboard needs and we look forward to providing your future motherboard needs.

Copy paste from PCParadox.com (http://www.pcparadox.com)

Also the 8KHA+ does not suck, it is the board I am using currently and quite frankly I think it is pimp!

[attgig]

Originally posted by W|zard
Don't buy the [H]ard propaganda. Kyle has made all those statements without ever consulting EPoX to find out their stance. EPoX today made the first official statement. This is it:


Copy paste from PCParadox.com (http://www.pcparadox.com)

Also the 8KHA+ does not suck, it is the board I am using currently and quite frankly I think it is pimp!

Word W|zard!
I think we got the same taste in motherboards AND women (your chick is HOT! :P)

anyways, yeah, any doofus can tell when they shouldn't force a card into the slot cause a capacitor is gettin bent or being in the way...

if it don't fit, return it and get a different brand.
Why does Epox have to make its board fit for a vid card that wasn't even released when they came out with the 8kha+ ?
it should be visiontek who should make sure that their vid card actually fits the mobo.

[sbp]

Getting another Ti 4600 brand likely won't work-they are using same reference design.

Looks like Epox fscked up by not following the specs (http://www.hardocp.com/articles/visiontek/epoxvtti4600.html). :dodgy:

[Ladogaboy]

Not to be "nitpicky" or anything, but...

Xsiled2, why do you say 8KHA+ when your picture clearly says 8KHA?

Well, what do you have to say for yourself? :hmm:


:heh:

[Wizard]

Originally posted by sbp
Getting another Ti 4600 brand likely won't work-they are using same reference design.

Looks like Epox fscked up by not following the specs (http://www.hardocp.com/articles/visiontek/epoxvtti4600.html). :dodgy:

As of right now the only cards that have not worked are the Visiontek. The 8KHAx is being tested with several other manufacturers cards and so far the only cards that there is conflict with is the Visiontek. Sorry but I won't believe what kyle says till there is real proof of it. Taking some dopey pictures with a retractable ruler doesn't cut it for me, and it shouldn't cut it for any smart consumer.

There has been NO official statement from either Visiontek or EPoX to indicate who is at fault so until official statements are made from both parties (in agreement mind you) I will not listen to Kyle's propaganda.

[sbp]

But I like his propaganda. :heh: :bigmouth:

[Wizard]

Hehehehe :)

Well there are always some dopey customers that believe anything that comes from [H] I for one would prefer to consider myself a WISE consumer :)

[xsiled2]

Originally posted by Ladogaboy
Not to be "nitpicky" or anything, but...

Xsiled2, why do you say 8KHA+ when your picture clearly says 8KHA?

Well, what do you have to say for yourself? :hmm:


:heh:

this is where you go to the epox site and take a look at the difference in the mobos....:rolleyes: :hehehmm:

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by xsiled2


this is where you go to the epox site and take a look at the difference in the mobos....:rolleyes: :hehehmm:

:shrug: Why should I have to?

Besides, I don't really care if there is no difference in the layout of an 8KHA and 8KHA+, I just felt like giving you some crap because I haven't been able to for a while now. :P


:heh:

[xsiled2]

:disa: :hmm: i see no crap, the mobos are the same layout so whats ur beef, or turkey bacon if you will.

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by xsiled2
:disa: :hmm: i see no crap, the mobos are the same layout so whats ur beef, or turkey bacon if you will.

Oh, nevermind... :2far:

[sbp]

EPoX and Visiontek GF 4 Ti4600 problem solved! (http://www.warp2search.net/article.php?sid=3325&mode=thread&order=0) :sure: :bonk:

[Wizard]

sbp here is the final statement direct from EPoX US. What a well written statement it is. :D


Since March 1, 2002 here at EPoX USA we have been busily working to find out the cause of the problems between the capacitors on the 8KHA(+) and those on the Visiontek GeForce 4 Ti4600. As of today (March 7, 2002) we are prepared to offer this explanation of the cause of the problem and the following solution. First off we’d like to take the time to thank our customers that took time out of their day to let us know of the problem. Here at EPoX customer satisfaction is our number one priority. EPoX’s R/D department during the creation of the 8KHA+ decided that the stability of the DDR memory during over clocking was of utmost importance thus the reason for the numerous capacitors. That’s one of the reasons why the 8KHA+ has much a great overclocking performance. At the time of design, no Video cards had any mechanical issues nor did it have a problem with any video cards in the foreseeable future. Now almost a full year after the final design of the 8KHA(+) was set we have started to have a minor conflict.

Testing with some of the GeForce 4 Ti4600s in our labs has pointed to a problem in which your Ti 4600 card could potentially be damaged if inserted improperly or under force. We would advise all 8KHA(+) owners to use utmost caution when inserting video cards that match that description. Also after testing, we have concluded that there is no significant problem or issue with the motherboard capacitor and the video card capacitor touching. If you own an EPoX 8KHA(+) and it has a definite conflict in which you can not insert your video card there are several solutions available. The preferred solution is to contact your nearest EPoX location. The other solution is to take it to a certified computer technician where they can remove the offending capacitor. It is not recommended that you do this procedure yourself since if done incorrectly it could damage your motherboard and/or your own safety.

We are currently working with manufacturers that do not have this issue and will promote heavily and give all of our EPoX users a chance to buy a G Force 4 Ti 4600 at a lower price.

As always here at EPoX we are glad you have let us know your comments and your concerns with our product. We are glad to be your motherboard of choice and look forward to providing all your future motherboard needs.

Samuel Kang

Marketing / Product Manager
Production Department
North American Operation
EPoX International, Inc. USA

So there you have it. In the upcoming weeks you can expect that EPoX will be helping out it's consumers significantly with attaining discounts for 8KHA+ users that wish to purchase a video card that is fully compatible with the 8KHA+. Now I must say that this more recent statement is a bit more proffessional than the previous one. Maybe the problem @ EPoX is the people they have in power. Time for some job shifting? :)