affirmative action and such

[leemaj]

what do you guys think of policies like affirmative action where minorities are given special consideration...some people think its reverse discrimination, some like it, although those are lessening in number. i think its bull, even though im a mintory, because i dont want to feel like i cheated to get to where i am.

[Memo]

Well you already just mentioned African Americans. AA is supposed to help everyone, but it's a piece of crap. People say they want equal opportunity, but what they really want is equal results. That's not how it should be because you end up with lots of people who don't deserve being somewhere that some other good person got cheated out of because they weren't a minority.

[Speedfreak]

I'm sure there are are a lot of minority groups if we add our ethnicity to our citizenship.

[modena]

I didn't mistreat anyone. I know that. And AA actually hurts whites, makes us the segregated ones, makes us the minority. Everyone should be equal and have the same chance as anyone. No one should be filing quotas. I have a friend going to med school and he was looking for some research on the east coast. Had he not been middle class and white, he could have found a ton of things, but that isnt the case, and he wasnt able to find anything. HOWEVER, before you think I am some white boy just running my mouth, I have another side to this argument. Everyone gets some type of advantage in life. And minoritys sometimes have AA work for there better, and that is fine with me. Whites get some extra advantages as well when it is hiring time. I wish they would do away with AA and let everything work out as it should.

My two cents!:D

[modena]

Originally posted by Speedfreak
I'm sure there are are a lot of minority groups if we add our ethnicity to our citizenship.

I know, my parents are both the first generation of there family to have kids here. My mom was born in France and my dad in Germany. So I think I am even a little different from the term "white".

[NuTs62]

I've written a few essays about this subject already.. I can't seem to find the finished product of either one, so I'll post this one. Although my essay may suck, please do not use my words and present it as your own. =) This one was written a few years ago.



Discrimination has existed for hundreds if not thousands of years. From the times of Jesus to present day, it has claimed the lives of millions and affected us on a worldwide scale. Although our society has progressed a great deal in the past few decades, discrimination still lies in the hearts of many people. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language defines discrimination as “treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice.” By this definition, discrimination exists in applying for schools, stereotypes, applying for loans, purchasing health and car insurance, or simply walking into a restaurant.

It has been said that discrimination has decreased over the years, but has it really? I have personally been the target of several forms of discrimination. One of the cases of discrimination was while I applied for high schools. People would obviously want the best for themselves, when it comes to anything, and Lowell High School in San Francisco is just that. The highly acclaimed college-prep high school is amongst the top in the state for test scores, grade point average, and sports. I applied in hopes that I would be able to follow in my brother’s footsteps of attending Lowell, and receive a top-notch education. Unfortunately, due to racial quotas, Asians, specifically Chinese, were required to score much higher scores than students of a different race. By the very definition of discrimination, this practice gives consideration or treatment based on race instead of academic merit. This form of discrimination is otherwise called Affirmative Action. Although Affirmative Action was put in with the intention of helping minorities receive the opportunities they would otherwise not have, Affirmative Action has instead created a form of discrimination.

The objective of Affirmative Action is to give a group of disadvantaged group of people the same benefits and rights afforded to the majority. Living in California, we are blessed with the highly diverse and multi-cultures that make it a wonderful place to live. On the other hand, many who live in the Midwest and the Central Plains of the United States cannot even imagine living next to a person of a different race. A friend of mine, while walking in the airport terminal in St. Louis, attracted the eyes of many simply because he was “walking while Asian”. The discrimination my friend faced for merely a few hours is the very thing that individuals must go through day in and day out. The individuals that live in those areas experience hardships in such things as finding a job and housing. Affirmative Action helps people like these by creating an equal playing field, and forcing employers to give added consideration to a minority to perhaps fill a quota. While this objective is well intended, it uses a form of discrimination to correct the wrongdoings of past generations. Although in some instances it assists individuals, it also has its faults.

Many arguments can be made in support of Affirmative Action. In many cases, people of color are less likely to have the same opportunities in schools based on income, race, and residency; therefore they cannot compete on the same level as other students’. With Affirmative Action, schools’ would be required to lower the standards for minorities in general, while raising requirements for the majority. But what about the families who are in the majority, but haven’t received the same opportunities? A child that would have otherwise qualified for admittance is refused because he is part of the majority. Many people scream out for equal opportunity, but want lower standards for certain races, is that equal? If people truly want to be “equal”, all requirements should be uniform, and everyone should adhere to the same criteria and guidelines. For those who don’t meet the requirements, I would simply advise them to attend another school or community college, and improve on his or her skills, then re-apply for the school at a later time. That way, nobody receives preferential treatment, and everyone works to earn his or her admission.

[BrewMaster]

Originally posted by leemaj

so here you go brew...your very own thread

um, don't do this for me or try and pin it on me. i don't give a sh1t. i'm not even going to read this thread. i just plain don't care.

[hapoo]

I'll give it a :thumbup: as soon as it helps me out. I'm not sure if i'm considered a minority or not but I sure as hell isn't white.

[modena]

Originally posted by BrewMaster

um, don't do this for me or try and pin it on me. i don't give a sh1t. i'm not even going to read this thread. i just plain don't care.


lol, which i am really doing right now!

[leemaj]

Originally posted by BrewMaster

um, don't do this for me or try and pin it on me. i don't give a sh1t. i'm not even going to read this thread. i just plain don't care.

im not trying to pin it on you...im actually interested in what people have to say on this, because ive been thinking about it a lot this past week..so sorry if i offended you, but just go ahead and post in here.

[mr2fan]

i get affirmative action but i am sorta greedy and rely on it to some degree
<sarcasm> oh yeah and affirmative action retributes minorities for the discrimination and disadvantages I have recieved as a result of my ethnicites </sarcasm>

[Nija]

Originally posted by modena
Whites get some extra advantages as well when it is hiring time. I wish they would do away with AA and let everything work out as it should.


. . .

this is the most ignorent thing I've heard in a while... thanks... Praise to whitey, and everyone else....

:disa:

[modena]

Originally posted by Nija



. . .

this is the most ignorent thing I've heard in a while... thanks... Praise to whitey, and everyone else....

:disa:


Hey, bud, you know what intergrity is? Because mis quoting something like you did to me is wrong. I am saying that white people do get some advantages, I didnt say that this was good. I also said that it was fine with me if minorities got advantages from AA, although I think they should abolish it and hiring should be equal. We dont live in a fair world so that wont happen. I am not racist, I wasnt even born in America, and some of my best friends arent white. You can judge me all day, its fine with me, you just dont need to try to push your ideas on others....when in fact you are wrong about me!:angry:

[BrewMaster]

Originally posted by modena



Hey, bud, you know what intergrity is? Because mis quoting something like you did to me is wrong. I am saying that white people do get some advantages, I didnt say that this was good. I also said that it was fine with me if minorities got advantages from AA, although I think they should abolish it and hiring should be equal. We dont live in a fair world so that wont happen. I am not racist, I wasnt even born in America, and some of my best friends arent white. You can judge me all day, its fine with me, you just dont need to try to push your ideas on others....when in fact you are wrong about me!:angry:

lol. :hihi:
i'm sorry, i know you're being serious, but as soon as i read your post, i started cracking up. Nija didn't misquote you, he just trimmed your qupte to focus on the part he wanted to address. i don't wanna insite a riot. anyway, i found the whole thing ammusing. carry on...

[modena]

trimming = taking out of context

[Nija]

ok, integrity boi... here


Originally posted by modena
I didn't mistreat anyone. I know that. And AA actually hurts whites, makes us the segregated ones, makes us the minority. Everyone should be equal and have the same chance as anyone. No one should be filing quotas. I have a friend going to med school and he was looking for some research on the east coast. Had he not been middle class and white, he could have found a ton of things, but that isnt the case, and he wasnt able to find anything. HOWEVER, before you think I am some white boy just running my mouth, I have another side to this argument. Everyone gets some type of advantage in life. And minoritys sometimes have AA work for there better, and that is fine with me. Whites get some extra advantages as well when it is hiring time. I wish they would do away with AA and let everything work out as it should.

My two cents!:D

parts of this are some of the most ignorent things I've heard... now... pick the parts...

[zcloydster]

an eye for an eye?