View Full Version : Man drives truck into mosque
topane
03-27-2002, 03:37 PM
The Nando Times (http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/325485p-2751220c.html)
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (March 26, 2002 1:44 p.m. EST) - A man who claimed to be motivated by hatred of Muslims drove a truck into a mosque just 30 minutes before evening prayers, police said Tuesday.
No one was injured Monday in the Islamic Center of Tallahassee, which is located at Florida State University.
The driver, Charles Franklin, 41, walked away and was arrested later at a campus bar on charges of burglary and criminal mischief, police said.
Franklin told officers he could have blown up the mosque if he had put propane tanks on the front of his truck, and that he tried to join the military in order to kill Muslims but was turned down, according to a police news release.
Authorities said a Bible wrapped in blue cloth was on the front seat of Franklin's truck.
Police spokesman Scott Hunt said police believe it was an isolated case of "one individual venting personal frustrations."
Another similar article about the incident is on CNN's (http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/26/tallahassee.mosque/index.html) web site.
What a lovely human being. It's a shame he wasn't injured or killed. The CNN article mentions he had a bottle of liquid marked "holy water". Does this mean now we have Christian terrorists as well?
whitak24
03-27-2002, 05:25 PM
it's sad that someone really thinks this accomplishes something.
i mean, i would guess that he's trying to get back at the terrorists or something, but how does running into a mosque solve anything? :confused:
racists......aren't they fun? :2far:
chrissy
03-27-2002, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by topane
Does this mean now we have Christian terrorists as well?
We have had those around for a while...
welfareloser
03-27-2002, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by topane
A man who claimed to be motivated by hatred of Muslims
i love how newspapers stoically state things as blandly as possible. i think the guy's "claim of hatred of muslims" was probly something along the lines of him stumbling out of his truck, scratching his armpits (exposed by the wifebeater, of course) while screaming "that'll show you, you %&#$(*% ragheads! don't mess with amrrrca! don't tread on me! south's gonna do it again! weeeeeeeeheeeeeeew!" while frantically flipping the finger at anything that moved.
molecularfire
03-27-2002, 06:07 PM
Man... not only is this guy an stark raving idiot, he's completely incompetent. :eek:
topane
03-27-2002, 06:33 PM
Why do these things always seem to involve southeners?
aglio412
03-27-2002, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by topane
Does this mean now we have Christian terrorists as well?
got|crusades?
christian terrorism has been around much longer than islam my friend...
Markel
03-27-2002, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by aglio412
got|crusades?
christian terrorism has been around much longer than islam my friend...
The crusades were "Christian" about as much as Bill Clinton is a priest.
aglio412
03-28-2002, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by Markel
The crusades were "Christian" about as much as Bill Clinton is a priest.
listen, i'm not knocking christianity...my gf and my family are all christians...here's the thing, you're right, the crusades were not 'christian' just like terrorism isn't 'muslim.'
any religion can become nasty through untruths and radicals...hell, it's not even limited to religion.
so yes, we have christian terrorists...we have catholic terrorists (look at ireland)...we have muslim terrorists...i'm sure there's even a few buddhist terrorists out there...but the terrorists are not valid representations of the religion they're supposedly supporting.
religion by nature is a loving, peaceful, caring thing...these radicals are selfish idiots with no regard for human life.
Markel
03-28-2002, 08:13 AM
Originally posted by aglio412
listen, i'm not knocking christianity...my gf and my family are all christians...here's the thing, you're right, the crusades were not 'christian' just like terrorism isn't 'muslim.'
Nothing personally directed toward you, aglio. What I want to get across is this: true Christianity (as prescribed by the Bible, not by the doctrins of some particular "chruch") makes no provision for violence against another in the cause of "religion" (I add this to differentiate between the possibility of a Christian being involved in the military, which I believe is a matter of conscience), or in many other causes as well. And I believe that this contrasts with the teachings if Islam, where provisions for "holy war" and such are made. (Note, I am no authority on Islam, and I am more than willing to be corrected on this statement.) And to be perfectly clear, I am not speaking of terrorism.
attgig
03-28-2002, 08:14 AM
i think that's a good way to end it aglio...
before it gets messy in this thread....
well, unless u all want it to get messy..
and if you do..I'm outtie.
welfareloser
03-28-2002, 08:20 AM
hmmm... i'm pretty sure the bible advocates smiting an array of groups for all kinds of reasons. yeah, there's plenny of be nice stuff... but plenny of smiting, too.
Burzhui
03-28-2002, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by aglio412
religion by nature is a loving, peaceful, caring thing...these radicals are selfish idiots with no regard for human life.
religion is a way to control the masses, it sucks
aglio412
03-28-2002, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by welfareloser
hmmm... i'm pretty sure the bible advocates smiting an array of groups for all kinds of reasons. yeah, there's plenny of be nice stuff... but plenny of smiting, too.
ya know what...good point wf...and to be honest, this isn't a discussion i want to get into...long, messy and ultimately pointless..might as well be talking about abortion.
maybe marx was right, religion is the opiate of masses...i just wish religion was truly what it is intended to be, a vehicle to make better people...more caring, compassionate people...but shiiiiiiii these days, it's becoming a 'i'm better than you' status...
/aglio412 pressing stop button
aglio412
03-28-2002, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by Burzhui
religion is a way to control the masses, it sucks
oh my goodness....it's definitely time to retire...burz and i just posted the same thought...
take me now, please mass controlling god, take me now...
hehehehehehehe
Markel
03-28-2002, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by welfareloser
hmmm... i'm pretty sure the bible advocates smiting an array of groups for all kinds of reasons. yeah, there's plenny of be nice stuff... but plenny of smiting, too.
I'd be very interested to see what you are referring to, and note that I am speaking of Christianity (i.e., the teachings of the New Testament).
Here is what I think is the defining statement from the Author Himself:
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting, that I might not be delivered up to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm." (Jn. 18:36)
The New Testament also teaches, "Never pay back evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all men.
If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men.
Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. (Rom. 12:17-19)
Burzhui
03-28-2002, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by aglio412
oh my goodness....it's definitely time to retire...burz and i just posted the same thought...
take me now, please mass controlling god, take me now...
hehehehehehehe
eh well you know, great minds think alike, but religion from day one ws not only to control the masses but also make money... and in case of some molest little choir boys... damn i didn't just go there :D
in case you got all pissed that last thing was a JOKE so get over yourself.
religion = control + financial gain
Markel
03-28-2002, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by Burzhui
religion = control + financial gain
I doubt that you will never agree, but Jesus Christ never started a religion.
johnnymk
03-28-2002, 08:51 AM
Jesus taught a relationship to God, the Father...and as Markel stated, not a religion, which is a set of rules.
God is never satisfied by man trying to conform to rules, or attempting to obey commandents.
Burzhui
03-28-2002, 08:51 AM
umm so he went arround pretending to help people, got followers, formed a cult, which grew and lemme see here, yup turned into religion:P
aglio412
03-28-2002, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by Markel
I doubt that you will never agree, but Jesus Christ never started a religion.
i completely agree...religions are started by the followers of the teachings of a particular person who in their eyes (or beliefs) has supenatural/spiritual powers...then they form belief-sets...write holy books..and the interpretations are endless...
ever play that game in elementary school...where a secret is told and then passed around the room...by the end of the game it's not the same. beliefs, holy books, laws, rules...all subject to the same misinterpretations...
damn, didn't i hit the stop button?
Originally posted by topane
The Nando Times (http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/325485p-2751220c.html)
Another similar article about the incident is on CNN's (http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/26/tallahassee.mosque/index.html) web site.
What a lovely human being. It's a shame he wasn't injured or killed. The CNN article mentions he had a bottle of liquid marked "holy water". Does this mean now we have Christian terrorists as well? No, it means there is one dumbass who happens to be a Christian. Christian terrorists? Hardly.
Originally posted by Burzhui
religion is a way to control the masses, it sucks And blood thirsty communism was good. :rolleyes:
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