United Airlines Flight 93 audio transmission

[Burzhui]

United Airlines Flight 93 was hijacked on September 11, 2001 near
Cleveland, Ohio. The aircraft crashed some time later in a field in
south-western Pennsylvania. The hijackers can be heard twice mistakenly
transmitting messages intended for the passengers over the Cleveland
ARTCC frequency. Please note that this tape is not chronologically
accurate; periods of dead air (silence) have been removed for brevity.

The audio file attached may contain material that would be considered
objectionable by some individuals.



Guys right click on the link and do "save as", i suggest you don't stream it ;)
http://www.communism.net/burzhui/ua93.mp3

[MJordanash]

If its legit, its an interesting clip.

[Burzhui]

yep, i dunno if it's really legit, sounds like it is though

[MJordanash]

Originally posted by Burzhui
yep, i dunno if it's really legit, sounds like it is though
Well it isnt that difficult to make a sound file like that, but I do agree, it has some realistic characteristics about it. My friend is a pilot, so I sent him the clip just to take a listen to it. Still hard to determine. Especially coming from that type of website and not something like CNN or MSNBC or something.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by MJordanash

Well it isnt that difficult to make a sound file like that, but I do agree, it has some realistic characteristics about it. My friend is a pilot, so I sent him the clip just to take a listen to it. Still hard to determine. Especially coming from that type of website and not something like CNN or MSNBC or something.

dude..ummm that website.. communism.net, is where i'm hosting the file :) it belongs to a friend of mine :bigmouth:

[Loosah]

That is legit. It has been played on a few of the major news networks. The tape that the families heard was if I remember correctly more than an hour long. None of what they heard has been released and they were asked not to give specific details.

[MJordanash]

Originally posted by Burzhui


dude..ummm that website.. communism.net, is where i'm hosting the file :) it belongs to a friend of mine :bigmouth:
Thats what I am saying. People dont know where you got it from.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by MJordanash

Thats what I am saying. People dont know where you got it from.

i got it from an undisclosed source :shifty:

[MJordanash]

Originally posted by Burzhui


i got it from an undisclosed source :shifty:
Fair enough, :D

[sbp]

Why would anyone in their right mind want a website called communism? :2far:

[Nija]

Originally posted by sbp
Why would anyone in their right mind want a website called communism? :2far:

cos they are communist? :shrug: or they like the idea of communism. BTW i didn't listen to it, cos I could care less.

[sbp]

Originally posted by cpugeek04

hes russian



:P He above all others knows about the horrors Russians suffered under communism.

[MJordanash]

Originally posted by Nija


cos they are communist? :shrug: or they like the idea of communism. BTW i didn't listen to it, cos I could care less.
Its pretty hard to understand most of it anyway.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by sbp
Why would anyone in their right mind want a website called communism? :2far:

why not?

[eSDee]

I downloaded it, but I don't know if I am ready to listen to it yet. I know those people who died were heroes, but it doesn't make me forget that they still died. This is just a sad reminder that one one day, something so horrific of such magnitude happened, that it will never be forgotten as long as the human race survives.

Also if hope no one would go through the trouble of faking this tape. That would be bad news.

[speedracer120]

If it's legit, which it seems to be, it's a very eery reminder of what happened that day.

The thing that's even stranger is that on a lot of United flights they have a channel that let's you listen in on the flight deck communications. Imagine being in the air, and listening to this drama going on. Personally I would be tripping out.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco
I know those people who died were heroes,

how so?

[eSDee]

Originally posted by Burzhui


how so?

You've gotta be kidding me. Don't tell me you're clueless to why. You're kidding right?:hmm:

[sbp]

Originally posted by Burzhui


why not? Would having a site called nazism.net be okay with you? If not explain why not.

[GraingerGuy]

sbp - Communism and nazism are two different things.

communism - A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.

The idea behind communism is really not bad at all....there is no real fesible way to impliment...but the idea imo is really good. No hungry, no poor, etc.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by GraingerGuy
sbp - Communism and nazism are two different things.

communism - A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.

The idea behind communism is really not bad at all....there is no real fesible way to impliment...but the idea imo is really good. No hungry, no poor, etc.

precisely, the idea is very good, unfortunatelly it doesn't work in practice

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco


You've gotta be kidding me. Don't tell me you're clueless to why. You're kidding right?:hmm:

actually no, i have no idea why they are heroes! Those guys on the pensylvania flight who tried to fight the terorists, yes i agree they fought and died.. like heroes. What did these guys do? Yes true they died, very unfortunate i agree :( , but why are they heroes

[mojo]

Originally posted by sbp
He above all others knows about the horrors Russians suffered under communism. russians never saw communism. nobody has.

[sbp]

Communism and nazism as practiced in real life were tyrannical systems that murdered millions of people. Why does communism gets a pass while Nazism is rightfully condemned? The fact is many more people were killed under communism in its brief bloodthirsty history than by the Nazis.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by sbp
Communism and nazism as practiced in real life were tyrannical systems that murdered millions of people. Why does communism gets a pass while Nazism is rightfully condemned? The fact is many more people were killed under communism in its brief bloodthirsty history than by the Nazis.

calling something communism doesn't necesarily make it so.
Communism is a theory that doesn't work in practice, trying to enforce it by murdering people, completely disqualifies it from being communism

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by cpugeek04

i agree, even tho they died, that dosen't make them heroes. saying they are heroes because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, is the same as some peoples in the middle east saying the suicide bombers are heroes...

/me puts up flame sheild


precisely

[eSDee]

Originally posted by Burzhui


actually no, i have no idea why they are heroes! Those guys on the pensylvania flight who tried to fight the terorists, yes i agree they fought and died.. like heroes. What did these guys do? Yes true they died, very unfortunate i agree :( , but why are they heroes

Ok maybe I'm reading this wrong. This flight recording is from the Pennsylvania flight where the passengers took over the terrorist command, thereby diverting the plane from possibly crashing into some highly populated area. These people are often hailed as heroes. This is the same flight, isn't it? I don't understand what you are arguing? :2far:

[eSDee]

Originally posted by cpugeek04

i agree, even tho they died, that dosen't make them heroes. saying they are heroes because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, is the same as some peoples in the middle east saying the suicide bombers are heroes...

/me puts up flame sheild


:confused: You guys are making no sense :hmm:

[sbp]

Burzhui admitted that communism doesn't work in real life
precisely, the idea is very good, unfortunatelly it doesn't work in practice If it doesn't work in practice then why support it?

Despite claims to the contrary, that system over there was called communism and based on communistic principles. So what you are inadvertently supporting is the actual version of communism.

[Burzhui]

hmmm i might have been wrong if this is the same flight where the people started fighting the hijackers then i have to agree with you

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by sbp
If it doesn't work in practice then why support it?

Despite claims to the contrary, that system over there was called communism and based on communistic principles. So what you are inadvertently supporting is the actual version of communism.

hey hold on a second, it's an idea, i can support this IDEA, i can support the idea of blowing up the United Nations to kingdom come, but it doesn't really work in practice does it?

[mojo]

Originally posted by sbp
If it doesn't work in practice then why support it?

Despite claims to the contrary, that system over there was called communism and based on communistic principles. So what you are inadvertently supporting is the actual version of communism. it being based on communism doesn't make it communism. it was a gross bastardization of communism in that they didn't even follow the dialectic. skipping steps was very against the whole principle.

marx said (a), then (b), then (c), then (d)...and so forth until <trumpets> communism.

what happened was more like

we've done (a), we're at (b), we ain't gonna wait for (c) to happen on its own....let's just do a bunch of stuff that we think it will end up as, declare it's communism and call it a day.

i got what you're saying about not supporting what happened in actual practice. but since it hasn't been practiced to prove a failure then why write it off as failure?

i'm sure people wrote off a trip to the moon well before it happened, too. to make this more analogous to the trip to the moon, it would have had to happen that someone wanted to skip the necessary steps to assure a safe flight and such. so if the initial plans devised for a safe trip to the moon weren't followed, could it be fairly said that the trip couldn't happen? or would it be more appropriate to acknowledge that they didn't follow the blueprints and therefore were doomed from the start?

truth is we don't know if it will work. the "test" of socialism as communism is far enough behind us that we can call it what it was instead of what it wasn't. it doesn't matter if we approve of the idea, anyhow. by definition, that wasn't communism. and to call it communism is misleading.

[sbp]

Originally posted by mojo
it being based on communism doesn't make it communism. it was a gross bastardization of communism in that they didn't even follow the dialectic. skipping steps was very against the whole principle.

marx said (a), then (b), then (c), then (d)...and so forth until <trumpets> communism.

what happened was more like

we've done (a), we're at (b), we ain't gonna wait for (c) to happen on its own....let's just do a bunch of stuff that we think it will end up as, declare it's communism and call it a day.

i got what you're saying about not supporting what happened in actual practice. but since it hasn't been practiced to prove a failure then why write it off as failure?

i'm sure people wrote off a trip to the moon well before it happened, too. to make this more analogous to the trip to the moon, it would have had to happen that someone wanted to skip the necessary steps to assure a safe flight and such. so if the initial plans devised for a safe trip to the moon weren't followed, could it be fairly said that the trip couldn't happen? or would it be more appropriate to acknowledge that they didn't follow the blueprints and therefore were doomed from the start?

truth is we don't know if it will work. the "test" of socialism as communism is far enough behind us that we can call it what it was instead of what it wasn't. it doesn't matter if we approve of the idea, anyhow. by definition, that wasn't communism. and to call it communism is misleading. Viewing the whole process from the very start of what occured, when all is said and done there was nothing to suggest it will work. If something is going to work and done in proper order you would see signs of success even when dealing with setbacks. If anything the grandiose failure of communism shows it to be a colossal flop. Why waste time and energy on something that has failed miserably? This should be enough convince everyone to stay far away from that.

Further consideration must be given to what is to stop thugs from doing what they did before? Nothing. We can't afford to have that happen again.

Sorry folks trying to wish for something to be successful doesn't make it so.

[Kevster]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco


Ok maybe I'm reading this wrong. This flight recording is from the Pennsylvania flight where the passengers took over the terrorist command, thereby diverting the plane from possibly crashing into some highly populated area. These people are often hailed as heroes. This is the same flight, isn't it? I don't understand what you are arguing? :2far:

EsDeeLoco,

You are totally right on this. I have no idea what Burzhui and CPUgeek were thinking on this, but on Flight 93 the passengers fought back for control of the plane. It's not about being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but while facing certain death they fought back against the hijackers so that they wouldn't fly the 4th flying bomb into another building full of people.


"..And if they lay us down to rest, tell our Moms we done our best."

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by Kevster


EsDeeLoco,

You are totally right on this. I have no idea what Burzhui and CPUgeek were thinking on this, but on Flight 93 the passengers fought back for control of the plane. It's not about being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but while facing certain death they fought back against the hijackers so that they wouldn't fly the 4th flying bomb into another building full of people.


"..And if they lay us down to rest, tell our Moms we done our best."

As i said that i might have been wrong on that one

[GraingerGuy]

Originally posted by sbp
Viewing the whole process from the very start of what occured, when all is said and done there was nothing to suggest it will work. If something is going to work and done in proper order you would see signs of success even when dealing with setbacks. If anything the grandiose failure of communism shows it to be a colossal flop. Why waste time and energy on something that has failed miserably? This should be enough convince everyone to stay far away from that.

Further consideration must be given to what is to stop thugs from doing what they did before? Nothing. We can't afford to have that happen again.

Sorry folks trying to wish for something to be successful doesn't make it so.

But we still support the freedom in America....the fact is, it hasn't really worked. There still is a huge amount of racism, discrimination, etc. But, we still support it...hoping it will work.

I REALLY wish there were some way for true communism to work....and until then...I will hope....I will support the idea.

[Kevster]

Originally posted by Burzhui


As i said that i might have been wrong on that one

Sorry - My Bad. I didn't see your other post tucked in between the "communism" posts on this thread.

[mojo]

Originally posted by sbp
Viewing the whole process from the very start of what occured, when all is said and done there was nothing to suggest it will work. If something is going to work and done in proper order you would see signs of success even when dealing with setbacks. If anything the grandiose failure of communism shows it to be a colossal flop. Why waste time and energy on something that has failed miserably? This should be enough convince everyone to stay far away from that.

Further consideration must be given to what is to stop thugs from doing what they did before? Nothing. We can't afford to have that happen again.

Sorry folks trying to wish for something to be successful doesn't make it so. well, there's nothing to suggest that it wouldn't. communism was the lack (ok, withering) of the state, not the domination. and without going through the other steps before such an attempt, there's no way for the people going through it to see or understand why it's necessary.

wishing for something to be successful doesn't make it so, but neither does retrofitting failure to something that never happened. i think we've come far enough along from the days of "communists are the enemy" to realize that there's no threat of communism, but of dictatorships and overly heavy government.

[mojo]

Originally posted by Kevster


Sorry - My Bad. I didn't see your other post tucked in between the "communism" posts on this thread. what, you mean this isn't a communism thread? :hihi:

[EdtheSped]

It is garbled. Was ist los?

[MadCool]

Communism.net? Would you or your friend happen to be a Pace Student? I remember hitting up that site for some previous test materials which helped a lot! :D

[sbp]

If the theory of communism doesn't work in practice, why push to get it implemented and get the horrible reallife version of it? Surely folks can see what is going to happen again.

[sbp]

Originally posted by GraingerGuy


But we still support the freedom in America....the fact is, it hasn't really worked. There still is a huge amount of racism, discrimination, etc. But, we still support it...hoping it will work.

I REALLY wish there were some way for true communism to work....and until then...I will hope....I will support the idea. What? Freedom doesn't work?!? :2far:

Yes there are some problems but that doesn't mean freedom doesn't work. And things have gotten better.

[BigJon]

Whew! Is it hot in here or is it just me?

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by MadCool
Communism.net? Would you or your friend happen to be a Pace Student? I remember hitting up that site for some previous test materials which helped a lot! :D

Yes i am, and my bud and i run forums for pace students now, we have grown ;)

And the materials sections has grown quite well :)

[mojo]

Originally posted by sbp
What? Freedom doesn't work?!? :2far:

Yes there are some problems but that doesn't mean freedom doesn't work. And things have gotten better. communism is all about freedom. and yes, there have been communes that were fine until uncle sam came in and shut them down.

reading upward, i see that graingerguy said the thing about freedom. grainger, remember that our society is a market society. it doesn't make us free, nor does freedom make us a market society. communism is about freedom and not government control...these are all very different concepts regarding states of being and trade.

[sbp]

Newspapers and books refer to that system over there as Communism. Are all these newspapers and books that ignorant?

Post-Communist Slip http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5418-2002Apr29.html
http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20020429-5259488.htm

If that system over there is not communism what exactly should that system be called then?

Why not call it (true communism) something else to get it away from the negativity the word communism now entails?

[mojo]

*sigh*

ya, i guess it should be called something else. just not right that a good thing should be ruined by misconceptions n stuff. but think of the long-term effects of renaming things. we could end up renaming:

christianity
islam
(insert other religion here)
PCs
america
freedom

you get the idea.

and yes, they are wrong by calling stuff communism when it isn't. remember the whole deal where we hated the so-called communists n stuff...well that just carried over and we never decided to call it what it was. problem with that is that the same people that wanted us to fear communism still hate it and can't go back to undo the whole misconception that they spread through their own arrogance and lack of foresight. ironically that happened during our own era of "witch hunts," so the idea that we take that stuff seriously is silly in itself.

the people doing the stuff probably call it communism. that doesn't make it so. just as people can call something a branch of "christianity" almost on a whim. i'm not saying the press or anyone are idiots for agreeing with them, but they are calling something what it's not based on the merits which may have not even been earned. but what's more obvious is that the socialist state is not communism no matter how much anyone calls it that. communism can't have a dictator or a government for long...so any government that says "we're communists" should plan on vacating the scene shortly or risk being a non-communist entity.

[sbp]

Now wait a minute. On the on one hand mojo says "russians never saw communism. nobody has." and that it "never happened" but in other posts he says communism was partially done correctly (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=354959#post354959) and later "there have been communes that were fine until uncle sam came in and shut them down".

Which is it to be? Was communism seen for a brief while or was it not? For it it were, its success or failure can be judged.

[mojo]

Originally posted by sbp
Now wait a minute. On the on one hand mojo says "russians never saw communism. nobody has." and that it "never happened" but in other posts he says communism was partially done correctly (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=354959#post354959) and later "there have been communes that were fine until uncle sam came in and shut them down".

Which is it to be? Was communism seen for a brief while or was it not? For it it were, its success or failure can be judged. ok, mr smuggy pants :P

i said people lived in communes here in the states. i didnt say this was a government that withered away as marx described. you're an educated person...i didnt think i had to be so specific with you :D

if we were to draw a conclusion based on the merits of a small hippy commune, then all that could really be said from that is that with the right will it could happen. since these communes weren't populated into the millions, i wouldn't call it communism as a nation may exist.

if this is an attempt to impeach the witness, then you may try to imply that you understand what i'm saying and not that i'm being misleading in any way ;)

(and btw, i edited stuff above your post)

anyhow...

ya, the people on that flight were heroes :P

[eSDee]

Originally posted by sbp
Now wait a minute. On the on one hand mojo says *snip*

Why are you talking about mojo in the third person? :confused:

[leemaj]

Originally posted by Burzhui


actually no, i have no idea why they are heroes! Those guys on the pensylvania flight who tried to fight the terorists, yes i agree they fought and died.. like heroes. What did these guys do? Yes true they died, very unfortunate i agree :( , but why are they heroes

because cnn told us they were

[MadCool]

Originally posted by Burzhui


Yes i am, and my bud and i run forums for pace students now, we have grown ;)

And the materials sections has grown quite well :)

Can you email or PM me the link to the material again? It seems like it became a forum now. :eek: :confused:

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by MadCool


Can you email or PM me the link to the material again? It seems like it became a forum now. :eek: :confused:

you'd have to follow the instructions on the top of the forums page to get access ;) BTW are you a pace student?

[MadCool]

Yeah I'm a Pace Student. :D

[sbp]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco


Why are you talking about mojo in the third person? :confused: Because mojo is not me.

-mojo

[eSDee]

WTF is Pace?

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco
WTF is Pace?

We are the elite :P

[MadCool]

Originally posted by Burzhui


We are the elite :P

Yeah! Pace Represent! :king: