so what do i do about this disgusting ***hole?

[welfareloser]

so i come home last night to find a piece of paper hanging out of my mailbox... it's actually so messed up i can't post the text here, even with certain words ****-ed out. but here's the general idea: on the outside, it said "thank you." on the inside is a rather detailed description of how last night i left my bedroom window open (the shades were shut, btw), he could hear my voice as he came home and parked, and how hot it was, and how he had to go home and take care of some bidness several times because of it.

okay, that happened, fine. no big deal. but the fact that this guy feels the need - and feels that it's okay, and even a GOOD IDEA - to write a complete stranger about these details, is just about as creepy as it gets.

i live in a u-shaped complex of townhouses, and i'm in the center of one of the sides... on my left, in order, is a 50-something couple with two teenagers (the man is employed by the property owner as a maintenance man and they're all very nice), a single mom, a retired couple and another single mom. to my right... two sets of two single guys. so i think the culprit has been narrowed down to one of those four. one of the two guys directly next door is creepy, as in, won't make eye contact and say hi, even the one time i knocked on his door to retrieve a ups (i hate them, too, chosen!) package. the next set of two guys have a nice dog and seem pretty dippy and normal (frat-boyish... and this note was more creepy than dumb frat-boy. definitely not written by someone in a stinking-drunk moment of humor.)

so i'm really leaning toward calling the police on this one... it probly won't get anything accomplished, but i have to live here for another month, and who knows what else this creep might have in mind... i'm actually sitting here refusing to take my kid out to the playground because i don't want to be outside alone IN MY OWN FRIGGIN NEIGHBORHOOD. :mad:

[Leon]

One of these next to your bed might help...

http://spas12.com/spas/spas12b.gif

[hoey222]

Originally posted by Leon
One of these next to your bed might help...

http://spas12.com/spas/spas12b.gif

:stupid:

ready the belt fed weapon too....

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Leon
One of these next to your bed might help...

http://spas12.com/spas/spas12b.gif

now you're creeping me out :P

please tell me you don't actually own one of those bad boys...

[mojo]

*whew* i thought it was about me by the ***hole statement...but it's not :P

i'd file a police report just for the heck of it. if something happens, it's best if you have one filed. nothing can happen till that happens anyhow.

btw, i have no idea where you were going with the whole "take fingerprints off the note and track him myself" thing...you plan on trying to get the whole neighborhood to submit to your fingerprinting scheme? or worse yet, trying to lift prints off every doorhandle in the neighborhood and trying to act all like nothings happening. might as well post your wanted posters up in the 'hood there, wyatt earp :hihi:

[topane]

File the report to at least start the "paper trail". Maybe have someone sneak around outside to check if this dude's hanging out. Also, is it a handwritten note or typed/printed?

[welfareloser]

handwritten. fairly distinctive looking. feminine, slanted, very neat.

[Leon]

Originally posted by welfareloser


now you're creeping me out :P

please tell me you don't actually own one of those bad boys...

I *WISH* I had one of those. Alas, all I have is this:

http://www.benelliusa.com/nova_pump/images/nova_popup04.gif

[BigJon]

POLICE REPORT

File one now....before he starts walking up to your window and exposing himself to you. Sickos... :2far:

[topane]

How about we get a bunch of Apexers to hide in wefare's house and wait for the guy? Then we can all hold him down while she kicks him in the jimmy.

[BigJon]

Originally posted by topane
How about we get a bunch of Apexers to hide in wefare's house and wait for the guy? Then we can all hold him down while she kicks him in the jimmy.

good idea... but first we have to make sure that it's not Nija...:heh:

[BigJon]

Originally posted by cpugeek04
...or we can just unleash GAM to hump some creepy guy/female leg

:hmm: :2far: Uhhh....yuck?

[Kim]

Yuck WF...that is so creepy! I would make a police report for sure! It will at least give them a heads up on the situation, and if something further happens, at least you'll have started the process to have the sicko put away! Good luck!

[Merlin]

If you live in a place where people are that close together you may want to consider closing the window before bumpin' uglies and howlin' like a banshee.

You should also file a report cuz whomever it was will probably be eyeballin you for a while.

Don't be afraid to go outside. This person may peek at you through their window but probably won't make actual contact.

[whitak24]

wow.....that is really disturbing. i don't blame you for being completely freaked out, although i do agree with the people who said this person is probably not particularly likely to make personal contact. however....it's hard to say, and it never hurts to be careful.

that being said, definitely file a police report. basically, if the problem persists, it quickly becomes stalking. if you file a police report the first time something happens, it is easier to establish with the police that there is a pattern, which helps prove the stalking thing. and once you're being stalked, there's a lot more the police can do to track down, stop, and punish the stalker.

[johnnymk]

It's one thing to "sneak a peek", but it's something more when they actually send a note. I would definitely go after the perpetrator.

[cruelpupet]

Well...whatever you decide to do...good luck


and pay attention to your surroundings while you remain there:shifty:

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Merlin
If you live in a place where people are that close together you may want to consider closing the window before bumpin' uglies and howlin' like a banshee.


har har... i guess you were there?

we were watching a movie and vandalizing nodamnedsense's instruments and taking pictures and laughing our butts off. so i dunno what he thought he heard (well, yeah i do, he was pretty explicit about what he thought he heard), but it wasn't much.

it was a warm enough night that, with the shades down, i just forgot the windows were open...

as i walked out the door this afternoon with eg, i saw a really nasty truck-driver lookin guy, someone i had never seen before (tho i recognized the car,) go into the apt next door and then come back out and leave. he was givin me a really odd look... like maybe a "what the heck are you doin with a kid" look...

anyway. will call the police as soon as eg goes for his nap... last thing i need is "mom! lookit da pig! mom, mom! are we on cops again?" :rolleyes:

[OC]

Originally posted by welfareloser
"mom! lookit da pig! mom, mom! are we on cops again?" :rolleyes: . . . again? :hmm:

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by overclocked
. . . again? :hmm:

it's a line from my favorite comedy, drop dead gorgeous. ;)

[WhiskeyPapa]

Originally posted by welfareloser
it's a line from my favorite comedy, drop dead gorgeous. ;)
That movie was 10x funnier if you're from Minnesota. Their portrayal of Minnesotans was "over-the-top", yet each stereotype had a ring of truth...

[eSDee]

Mount webcams in the front of your house where the note was left, and one by your window. Leave a note as bait telling him that you're into that kinda stuff(hey if he's dumb enough to leave a note he might be dumb enough to take the note as well). Catch the idiot on your webcam, output it to a VHS tape. If it a kid, take a tape to his parents AND the cops. If it is an adult take it to the Cops. If it is a woman, send the tape to me :naughty:

I think it depends on how violated you feel. If you can let it slide until you move out of there anyways, you can always hope for Karma to kick in. If you are really pissed off about it then I would suggest some revenge. After you determine who the fool is, take vidcaps and print them out, then plaster them all over his/her place of work/school/church. Do it right before you move to your new place and let him/her stew in their own humiliation.

[Jenny]

Ouch...

First of all, I definitely agree with calling the police.

Second, DON'T throw the letter away. Try and not handle it a tremendous amount. (You or anyone else. Muddles fingerprints the more you handle them. ;) Obviously. lol)

Let us know what the police say!

[Speedfreak]

I was going to say leave a reply on how YOU feel, but what if the mailperson gets it?

[brainsmile]

maybe you could set up a web cam to record motions outside your window and catch the guy in the act

[Merlin]

I think we need to get a better understanding of the situation. Please scan in the letter and post it. :hehehmm:

[mojo]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco
Mount webcams in the front of your house where the note was left, and one by your window. Leave a note as bait telling him that you're into that kinda stuff(hey if he's dumb enough to leave a note he might be dumb enough to take the note as well). Catch the idiot on your webcam, output it to a VHS tape. If it a kid, take a tape to his parents AND the cops. If it is an adult take it to the Cops. If it is a woman, send the tape to me :naughty: smile, you're on x10! :hihi:

[molecularfire]

It seems that you've already decided to file a police report, so there's no point in me advising you of that.

As for going outside to play... most likely he/she won't approach you. Peepers tend to like to just peep. Anyways, if you're going to live in fear, then it's pointless to live at all. The guy/girl has already violated you enough, don't make it worse. Anyways, evilgremlin did nothing wrong and should not be inadvertently punished.

I really wouldn't try to do anything for revenge or investigations unless it goes any further. So far, the person is just being a creepy jerk. However, if you do find out who did it... get us the info. and we'll go down there and regulate. ;)

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by molecularfire
Anyways, if you're going to live in fear, then it's pointless to live at all. The guy/girl has already violated you enough, don't make it worse. Anyways, evilgremlin did nothing wrong and should not be inadvertently punished.

yeah, blah, blah, blah... sounds great until you weigh 115 pounds, are solely responsible for the life of a child, and have a possibly dangerous dude within a few hundred feet of you. i think no longer being taken to play in the playground that's 100 feet from our front door is nothing compared to risk of being attacked. i'm sorry, but there is a damned good reason to be afraid and to take precautions; that doesn't mean i'm "living in fear."

truth, freedom, the american way, not living in fear, blah, blah... just because the guy probably won't do anything more doesn't mean it isn't a damned good idea to load eg's baby ass in the car and drive him to a nice, crowded park elsewhere.

[Apex]

X10 pinhole hidden camera? :)

I'd be willing to donate to and open up my paypal account if people wanted to donate to buying WL a camera.

[brainsmile]

hmmm I could lend her mine for a while if she takes good care of it. It's better than the x10... I think the camera itself is about the size of a quarter. Just gotta dismantle it from the neighbors bushes... whoops... :P

[goyo2]

I think apex's idea is great, I'd go in on it, but also, you need to protect yourself. A wise person once said to NEVER assume you know what is going on in another persons head. Not that you should be scared, but that you should be careful and prepared. I would (in addition to the police report) buy some pepper spray and keep it out when you are leaving the house and getting into and out of your car. In fact, get two pepper spray cans, and use one to practice. Then just take the normal precautions, be aware of the surroundings, maybe even ask the cops what you should do to protect yourself. Thats my 2 cents...;)

[ufcrusher]

Not that I am supporting this guys activity, but truthfully he hasnt done anything that is illegal. He admitted that he could hear you having your fun and that those sounds sufficiently turned him on that he had to return to his own apartment and repeatedly pleasure himself. (He isnt a peeping tom if he isnt visually spying on you)

True, its creepy, but listening to someone having sex when it is clearly audible is not illegal. I mean, your windows were open and you are in an apartment complex.

The problem with the scenario is that you feel violated to know that the guy pleasured himself to thoughts of you doing the nasty. There could be a few possible reasons for the note.

1. Your neighbor is trying to embarass the crap out of you and point out the fact that he could hear you at an intimate moment. If you think about it, you probably arent going to be inclined to get it on with your windows open and you may even tone down your screams of pleasure.

2. Your neighbor feels that you were putting on a show for the benefit of the general public. There are lots of people who like to have the "danger" of being discovered or seen. Its a voyeuristic fantasy and it serves both parties. Thus, if he thought you were being a voyeur, it might explain the note.

3. You have a perverted neighbor with no social skills.

I would just close the windows next time, bide my time till the lease is up, and just keep your guard up.

[Windsor]

Originally posted by ufcrusher
True, its creepy, but listening to someone having sex when it is clearly audible is not illegal. I mean, your windows were open and you are in an apartment complex.

The problem with the scenario is that you feel violated to know that the guy pleasured himself to thoughts of you doing the nasty. There could be a few possible reasons for the note.

1. Your neighbor is trying to embarass the crap out of you and point out the fact that he could hear you at an intimate moment. If you think about it, you probably arent going to be inclined to get it on with your windows open and you may even tone down your screams of pleasure.

I would just close the windows next time, bide my time till the lease is up, and just keep your guard up.

I thought...they were watching a movie?!

[mojo]

Originally posted by ufcrusher
Not that I am supporting this guys activity, but truthfully he hasnt done anything that is illegal. there's that whole nasty "spirit of the law" thing tho, too. different things are open to interpretation and such. it's not a huge stretch to turn this into a harassment case. all she has to do is file a report and if he repeats it, it's harassment. then there's a restraining order and if he violates that it's jail. so while he hasn't done anything that's illegal (yet), repeating it could be.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by ufcrusher
Not that I am supporting this guys activity, but truthfully he hasnt done anything that is illegal. He admitted that he could hear you having your fun and that those sounds sufficiently turned him on that he had to return to his own apartment and repeatedly pleasure himself. (He isnt a peeping tom if he isnt visually spying on you)

True, its creepy, but listening to someone having sex when it is clearly audible is not illegal. I mean, your windows were open and you are in an apartment complex.

The problem with the scenario is that you feel violated to know that the guy pleasured himself to thoughts of you doing the nasty. There could be a few possible reasons for the note.

I would just close the windows next time, bide my time till the lease is up, and just keep your guard up.

okay, again, i'm not the least bit creeped out by him hearing "something" (just to get you post-skimming bozos off my friggin back, we had sex earlier downstairs on the couch, rather quietly with the shades and windows CLOSED... later, in the bedroom with the window open, we were watching either carrie 2 or rosemary's baby, both of which involve some screaming, and laughing raucously about a prank we were setting up...), being turned on, and whacking it. that's normal. ppl fantasize while masturbating. who cares?

WRITING A NOTE ABOUT IT in explicit detail is NOT normal. who feels the need ot tell a friggin stranger "i whacked it while thinking of you! do that again, please!" he's trying to make an interpersonal connection with me using his masturbation as the ice-breaker. it could be nothing more than some serious social ineptness (i mean, if he thought that what he was hearing was some grand sex show i was putting on for the neighborhood, he needs to clean the wax out of his ears or stop watching torture-porn), but then again, a stalker would start with something like that, too, so i'd like it to stop before it has a chance to go any farther.

and it is illegal. you don't stick stuff in a mailbox, and you don't make explicitly sexual comments to a stranger. it's harrassment, period.

i considered and rejected the possibility that it was someone pissed off about the noise and trying to embarrass me... it is still possible, but the person writing it would have to have been sober and clever, which frankly doesn't describe any of my neighbors. possible, but unlikely. also, there would be no reason to be pissed off. seriously, thi place is so well sound-proofed. you hear stuff when you're outside and the windows are open, walk inside, and there's nothing. eg can sleep through our band practice... the neighbors can have a screaming fight that leaves them hoarse and i'll barely hear it... the guy next door on his electric guitar (pretty loud from the outside) can be drowned out by the fridge turning itself on.

[mojo]

*check please*

[BigJon]

I agree with welfare on this one. It is illegal for someone to leave you notes about how they masterbated to the sound of someone's voice. That is considered harassment, or possibly stalking.

[Burzhui]

maybe it was a chick that did it?

[cruelpupet]

Originally posted by Burzhui
maybe it was a chick that did it?


then we here at G|A must go over...to umm...help record the incident:hehehmm: :hihi:

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Burzhui
maybe it was a chick that did it?

highly unlikely that a chick would describe herself as "jacking off" ... and my choices are a 45-year old woman, her 13-year-old daughter, and a couple of single moms in their 30's. so, nothing's impossible, and let your imagination roam as freely as you want, but that's probly a stretch.

[ufcrusher]

First off, I didnt skim the post, I actually read it but apparently misread something. When someone pointed out my error and other people had already commented on it, I didnt see any reason to go back and change what I wrote. I wasnt saying there was anything wrong with you having sex (even though you didnt), my point was that if all he did was hear you and then stick a note in your mailbox, it didnt appear to me that he did anything illegal.

Secondly, I wasnt defending the guy. My point was that there could be another reason for the letter other than just to share his fantasy.

Third, its not harassment. Harassment is a repeated action. If someone were to come up to you and say something inappropriate to you or something that makes you uncomfortable, it isnt illegal. If he starts making regular contact with you, that is a different story, then that is harassment.

Fourth, I dont think it is illegal for someone to place something in your mailbox. If he removed your mail or tampered with it, then its a federal offense, but just to place a letter in there or to tape one onto it, isnt illegal.

Look, I dont envy your situation (with this creep there) but I was trying to point out possible not so creepy reasons that he did this. I figured it may help you since you said you are stuck there for a bit more. Would you rather be able to justify it to yourself to make you feel better about staying or live in fear for the remainder of your tenure.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by ufcrusher
my point was that if all he did was hear you and then stick a note in your mailbox, it didnt appear to me that he did anything illegal.

...

its not harassment. Harassment is a repeated action. If someone were to come up to you and say something inappropriate to you or something that makes you uncomfortable, it isnt illegal.

...

I dont think it is illegal for someone to place something in your mailbox. If he removed your mail or tampered with it, then its a federal offense, but just to place a letter in there or to tape one onto it, isnt illegal.



i know you're not defending the guy, but you are wrong on several points. it is harrassment. trust me, i'm dealing with a lawyer on matters of harrassment... this is harrassment. sexually explicit stuff isn't something you get to hand out like candy. "i like your dress" is fine. "i whacked it to the sounds of you getting f---ed" is NOT, not even once, period. you're saying "it seems to me" and "i don't think" ... you obviously don't know. i do know.

and it is illegal to stick something in a mailbox. period. not something you're generally gonna get busted for, just fliers and such, but in this case, it'd be one more thing a judge would be happy to use against him.

i'm not trying to justify anything to myself. i explained the details because i was trying to head off what would have turned into a lot of (probably mostly funny) posts about me and my habits... just something i wanted to avoid ;) cuz man, sometimes g|a smarts... :heh:

and i don't need to feel better about being afraid. my heart doesn't pound when i walk out the damned door. but i'm careful, and there's a good reason for it, and i don't think the fact that he's probly harmless is a good reason to free myself of the awful burden of caution :rolleyes:

[ufcrusher]

Actually, if there was one thing I learned in law school, before I graduated, is that the law is all about interpretation. Its the reason why lawyers can sit there and argue about things day and night.

The reason why I used, seems to me language, is that I dont know the particular laws in your area. Different areas have different decency acts and as such what may be legal in one area, may or may not be legal in another.

I dont really feel like sitting here and bantering about the legality of any of this guys actions, because regardless of the legality, its just wrong. However, I still say that under traditional legal interpretations his actions as of yet do not meet the requirements to be considered harassment. If there is a federal law concerning the legality of placing something in someones mailbox, I havent heard of it. (Which with the amount of laws out there is quite possible)

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by ufcrusher
the law is all about interpretation.

:stupid:


Originally posted by ufcrusher
I dont really feel like sitting here and bantering about the legality of any of this guys actions

hmm... you better quit soon, then, cuz the day's almost gone... :pfft: :wavey: :P

and this ain't "bantering." this is what's known as a "pissin contest." :D