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NuTs62
04-30-2002, 04:24 PM
Feeling smart? Check out some of the quiz
April 30, 2002 Posted: 5:30 PM EDT (2130 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Few people in the United States understand the scientific process and many believe in mysterious psychic powers and may be quick to accept phony science reports, according to a national survey.

The survey, part of the National Science Foundation's biennial report on the state of science understanding, research, education and investment, found that the belief in "pseudoscience" is common in America. The study found that science literacy has improved only slightly since the previous survey and that 70 percent of American adults do not understand the scientific process.

America continues to lead the world, the study found, in scientific investment, in research and development and in technology advances. But it found weakness in some levels of scientific education and noted that the U.S. continues to depend heavily on foreign-born scientists and now faces increased competition from steadily improving scientific enterprises abroad

In the survey of American attitudes toward science, the study found that doctors and scientists were the most respected of the professions, but it also found that "belief in pseudoscience is relatively widespread and growing."

A survey of 1,574 adults found that 60 percent agreed or strongly agreed that some people possess psychic powers or extrasensory perception, a premise that is generally discarded as unproven by most scientists.

Although 57 percent of those surveyed disagreed that UFOs came to Earth bearing aliens, about 30 percent believe that some reported objects in the sky are really space vehicles from other civilizations.

The scientific validity of astrology -- the belief that an alignment of the planets can affect events on Earth -- is rejected by 60 percent of Americans, as is the idea that some numbers are lucky while others are not. But 43 percent say they still read the astrology charts at least occasionally in the newspaper.

Seventy-seven percent of those surveyed believe in the theory of global warming, that the planet is being heated by an excess of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Of those surveyed, 86 percent said global warming is a serious or "somewhat serious" problem.

Divided over genetic engineering
Americans were almost evenly divided about genetic engineering -- the modifying of life forms by manipulating the genes. Forty percent thought the science would produce more good than bad effects, but 33 percent feared that there would be more harm than benefit.

About 48 percent of those surveyed said they were moderately or strongly opposed to the cloning of barnyard animals, even if the technique was used to make drugs to treat humans. The new science was supported by 47 percent, making opinions almost evenly divided.

Most Americans, about 59 percent, were comfortable with using mice in laboratory experiments, but the opinions shifted dramatically when the question was using dogs or chimpanzees in the scientific research instead of mice. About 53 percent of those surveyed disagreed with allowing scientists to experiment with dogs or chimps in medical research, while 44 percent said it was OK.

In an effort to assess the level of general scientific knowledge, the NSF survey asked a series of basic true-false or multiple-choice science questions.

In contrast to two years ago, when half of those surveyed were wrong, a majority, 54 percent, answered correctly when asked how long it takes the Earth to orbit the sun. (One year.)

True test
Some of the other questions, with the right answers and the percent answering correctly:

Lasers work by focusing sound waves. (False. Lasers focus light.) 45 percent.

Antibiotics kill viruses as well as bacteria. (False.) 51 percent.

The universe began with a huge explosion. (True, according to the "Big Bang" theory widely accepted by scientists, but dismissed by some religious leaders.) 33 percent.

The earliest humans lived at the same time as the dinosaurs. (False. Dinosaurs died off millions of years before humans appeared.) 48 percent.

Human beings developed from earlier species of animals. (True, according to the theory of evolution, which is accepted by the majority of scientists, but not by many religious leaders.) 53 percent.

Other results
Among findings of the NSF report:


Federal research dollars increased by about 50 percent for life sciences, such as medicine, but declined by about 25 percent for the physical sciences.


Other nations are beginning to train more of their homegrown scientists, but the United States remains a major destination for academics seeking advanced scientific or engineering degrees.


The percentage of foreign-born scientists and engineers is growing at all degree levels in America, with the highest ratio, 45 percent, in engineering.

Linkage (http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/04/30/science.understanding.ap/index.html)

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Feeling smart? Don't trust these inconclusive surveys! They survey 1574 people in the U.S., and say its MOST? :rolleyes:

welfareloser
04-30-2002, 04:42 PM
well, the first half of this article doesn't say anything about what americans understand about science, just what they believe... and dammit, horoscopes are entertaining. what does that prove? nuttin.

now the true/false stuff... :disa:

jujubees
04-30-2002, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by NuTs62
The universe began with a huge explosion. (True, according to the "Big Bang" theory widely accepted by scientists, but dismissed by some religious leaders.) 33 percent. How is this an objective question, much less a "basic true-false" one? :hmm:

jase71
04-30-2002, 04:50 PM
The story is pretty badly written, and equates agreeing with the prevalent theory with understanding the scientific process, (which isn't necessarily a requirement)...

But if you sift through the raw numbers, it's pretty spooky, actually.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people will believe in something just because they want to, rather than because the evidence supports it...

CornMonkey
04-30-2002, 04:56 PM
is it me or did the article get really boring after the words, "Feeling smart? Check out some of the quiz."

mojo
04-30-2002, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by jase71
The story is pretty badly written, and equates agreeing with the prevalent theory with understanding the scientific process, (which isn't necessarily a requirement)...

But if you sift through the raw numbers, it's pretty spooky, actually.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people will believe in something just because they want to, rather than because the evidence supports it... :stupid:

although belief can be a good thing. i don't have to agree with someone to understand that they have personal reasons for believing something. there's a point of respect there. if i'm talking to someone about religion and he gets glossy eyed and tells a story about how his gramma was miraculously healed and therefore he believes, then who am i to say "but that goes against the scientific process and blah blah blah." by the same token, if someone has a psychic experience, does that automatically make that person a nut job?

as good as science is, it doesn't answer everything. it draws on current knowledge and such, but who is to say that all life has to resemble life "as we know it"? and who is to say that everything can be tested with our current set of knowledge? and who is to say that if a person has psychic abilities they want it to be tested? it's a highly subjective thing they're saying here. the article simply isn't accounting for much and seems to be more of an editorial comment than anything (that comment being "i don't believe it, so you're silly if you do").

whitak24
05-01-2002, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by NuTs62
Feeling smart? Don't trust these inconclusive surveys! They survey 1574 people in the U.S., and say its MOST? :rolleyes:
well, a stratified random sample of 1574 people will give you a margin of error of about 2%+/-. or at least that's what i believe, since i believe what my stats prof taught me :) seriously, though, statistical sampling is a pretty well-proven science, and so if that was a well-drawn sample, you can make some conclusions and generalizations based on that survey (not necessarily the ones they are making in the article, but others would probably be valid).


i]Originally posted by mojo [/i]
as good as science is, it doesn't answer everything. it draws on current knowledge and such, but who is to say that all life has to resemble life "as we know it"? and who is to say that everything can be tested with our current set of knowledge?
good point, mojo.

if this survey had been done before copernicus, they would have been asking people if it was true that the sun went around the earth. if people answered "false", it would have been used to prove that they didn't understand science :rolleyes:

also, as welfare pointed out, just because someone reads the horoscope doesn't mean they believe it. i happen to think that astrology is a crock. but i still read my horoscope for entertainment and put fun fortunes from fortune cookies on my fridge.

overall, a poor study, which looks like it was conceived and executed to prove and further someone's pre-existing agenda.

OC
05-01-2002, 08:16 AM
They need to do a "you're" and "their" study...

-OC

brainsmile
05-01-2002, 08:20 AM
Science like math is simple

1+1=3

NuTs62
05-01-2002, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by whitak24

well, a stratified random sample of 1574 people will give you a margin of error of about 2%+/-. or at least that's what i believe, since i believe what my stats prof taught me :) seriously, though, statistical sampling is a pretty well-proven science, and so if that was a well-drawn sample, you can make some conclusions and generalizations based on that survey (not necessarily the ones they are making in the article, but others would probably be valid).


I have yet to take stat (though I've taken several courses that require it as a pre-req). If they were to support their survey with data that shows that the sample population was widespread across the U.S., I'd be more apt to believe it. Take voting for example: If we were to take all the samples from one region of the country which has a strong Democratic history, then they're likely to vote for Democrats. But if you were to expand the vote (survey), you would see that the results likely does not represent the entire population of the U.S. Also, the survey would depend on who they ask. Are they asking 5th graders?

johnnymk
05-01-2002, 09:48 AM
There's an old saying that states "Figures don't lie, but liars figure"