Wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[xsiled2]

http://xsiled.homestead.com/files/mex.jpg

ya....

[Merlin]

This is great. Now all the border patrol needs to do is watch the gathering point. Should make their job easier. ;)

[Burzhui]

wow i don't even know what's next to come.... Bush in power maybe... oh wait damn



/*me cocks gun.... BAM!!!!!

[DoPeY5007]

kinda goes with that bridge to Canada :shrug:

[Hiro]

Originally posted by Merlin
This is great. Now all the border patrol needs to do is watch the gathering point. Should make their job easier. ;)
thats exactly what i was thinking. that it is all one big ploy to get the border jumpers in one area making them easier to stop.

[xsiled2]

these towers are in mexico though, so gathering points would still be on that side of the border.

[mojo]

on the surface it looks like they're encouraging the crossing into the states. however, people die crossing the desert to get here. maybe they shouldn't try to cross like that, but at the same time they don't deserve to die just because they're trying to get a better life. just because we live the way we do doesn't mean it's all mai-tais and yahtzee for the whole world. there are people that actually have to *gasp* struggle just to make it by.

we're talking death here, people. it happens to all of us. but maybe it shouldn't be a result of trying to get a job or better living conditions.

[xsiled2]

whats odder is illegals sueing the US for not putting water in the desert so they can hop the border.

[mojo]

what's even more odd is that you refer to them as "illegals" and not people or even immigrants.

[xsiled2]

they people, but ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

quit trying to make my comments seem racists, though i know thats what you live for.

[Hiro]

Originally posted by xsiled2
they people, but ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

quit trying to make my comments seem racists, though i know thats what you live for.
xsiled, no offense, but no one likes you. go away.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by Corsec

xsiled, no offense, but no one likes you. go away.

we're not throwing you out are we?

[Speedfreak]

Originally posted by mojo
what's even more odd is that you refer to them as "illegals" and not people or even immigrants.

Ya, there aren't illegal immigrants until they actually cross the border illegaly.

[eSDee]

I won't get too into this because I know there is no convincing some. This is a humanitarian effort, to reduce the amount of lives lost crossing the border. I believe that Illegal immigration is a seperate topic altogether. I don't think these stations are going to make it any easier for people to cross the border; if anything it will make it easier for them to get picked off.

[Merlin]

Originally posted by mojo
on the surface it looks like they're encouraging the crossing into the states. however, people die crossing the desert to get here. maybe they shouldn't try to cross like that, but at the same time they don't deserve to die just because they're trying to get a better life. just because we live the way we do doesn't mean it's all mai-tais and yahtzee for the whole world. there are people that actually have to *gasp* struggle just to make it by.

we're talking death here, people. it happens to all of us. but maybe it shouldn't be a result of trying to get a job or better living conditions.

Nicely said. :cheers:

Nobody should die for wanting to be an American. We've got it pretty good here we shouldn't begrudge anyone else who only is seeking what we take for granted.

And I don't think they are encouraging it but rather acknowledging a fact of life. It's like giving out condoms in school, nobody wants to encourage the behavior but if it is going to happen at least be safe.

[Jihforce]

I don't think this will "encourage" more people to cross the border illegally. However, it will make it safer to do so. Everyone that does cross the border is well aware of the consequences anyway. Besides, its not like they are on every corner, like Starbucks.
Personally, I'm kind of torn about this. But at the same time, I can see why they do it and its pretty risky.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by Merlin


Nicely said. :cheers:

Nobody should die for wanting to be an American. We've got it pretty good here we shouldn't begrudge anyone else who only is seeking what we take for granted.

And I don't think they are encouraging it but rather acknowledging a fact of life. It's like giving out condoms in school, nobody wants to encourage the behavior but if it is going to happen at least be safe.

dude if they come here illegally they aren't americans... that's the whole point.. want to live here great, but do it legaly

[mojo]

Originally posted by Burzhui


dude if they come here illegally they aren't americans... that's the whole point.. want to live here great, but do it legaly if it was that easy, maybe they would. you don't really think you're the only one that's thought of this, do you?

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by mojo
you don't really think you're the only one that's thought of this, do you?

well actually..... :bonk:

[nomoney]

I think that they should have a selection of things to drink. Like maybe we can stock the tower with some of our domestic beers. A lot of Mexicans like Budweiser. That would be kinda cool. And maybe have a place to take an shower and do laundry. Maybe we could give em some money to get started too.

Oh crap...I forgot...we dont want em here... :rolleyes:

Humanitarian my ass...if you want to be so damn humanitarian go help them im their country. Go on a mission. Build em a 7-11. Every country would be better off with one of those. A Big Gulp is under a buck....nevemind...thats still like 8,000,000 pesos.

[eSDee]

Originally posted by PsillyPyro

Humanitarian my ass...if you want to be so damn humanitarian go help them im their country.

Reread the story, oh mentally challenged one. The towers ARE being built in their country. :2far:

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by mojo
if it was that easy, maybe they would. you don't really think you're the only one that's thought of this, do you?

A lot of it has to do with ignorance, lazy or simply wanting to come here illegally (harder for gov't to track them). Take this for example. We are all well aware of the smugglers that bring immigrants across. These folks get payed anywhere from $2k-5k (US, per person) to smuggled folks accross. Now, for a less than half as much amount of money, you can get yourself a passport, get yourself a visa then buy yourself a little plane or bus ticket and cruise on over here legally. I'm not talking about Mexicans cuz they aren't the only ones crossing the border illegally. We're talking Europeans & Asians too.
My biggest complain is that when people start doing stupid $h!t like this, it affects those who do things legally.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by Jihforce


A lot of it has to do with ignorance, lazy or simply wanting to come here illegally (harder for gov't to track them). Take this for example. We are all well aware of the smugglers that bring immigrants across. These folks get payed anywhere from $2k-5k (US, per person) to smuggled folks accross. Now, for a less than half as much amount of money, you can get yourself a passport, get yourself a visa then buy yourself a little plane or bus ticket and cruise on over here legally. I'm not talking about Mexicans cuz they aren't the only ones crossing the border illegally. We're talking Europeans & Asians too.
My biggest complain is that when people start doing stupid $h!t like this, it affects those who do things legally.

yep and wastes our tax dollars:angry:

[Cantacuzene]

The thing that I think pisses the most people off is when illegal immigrants come here then begin to feel entitled to privledges and benefits of citizenship. If they wanna cross the border to get a job or grocery shopping or whatever, thats fine. Its when they cross the border, demand welfare then send the money back to their family in mexico is when people start getting angry. Then when they bring 9 children over here to go to school, yet they dont pay taxes to help pay for schools, thats when people get madder.

I'm all for helping people and "doing our part", but I draw the line when someone starts taking advantage of me.

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
The thing that I think pisses the most people off is when illegal immigrants come here then begin to feel entitled to privledges and benefits of citizenship. If they wanna cross the border to get a job or grocery shopping or whatever, thats fine. Its when they cross the border, demand welfare then send the money back to their family in mexico is when people start getting angry. Then when they bring 9 children over here to go to school, yet they dont pay taxes to help pay for schools, thats when people get madder.

I'm all for helping people and "doing our part", but I draw the line when someone starts taking advantage of me.

:stupid:

[nomoney]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco


Reread the story, oh mentally challenged one. The towers ARE being built in their country. :2far:

Oh...hehhe...
Well in that case we should build some "towers" of our own right across from theirs on our side. And make pepperball cannons.

[xsiled2]

and electric fences and mine fields and a midgit green buret tacticle force.... :D

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by xsiled2
and electric fences and mine fields and a midgit green buret tacticle force.... :D

may the testicle force be with you :D

[xsiled2]

if only a photochoped image of that were allowed here lol

[sbp]

Illegal aliens should not be encouraged in any way to come here. This country has enough problems of its own to deal with.

---------
Border Patrol agent fired on (http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20020523-865103.htm)

"Mexican soldiers entered U.S. territory Friday in the latest in a series of armed incursions and appear to have shot at a Border Patrol agent."

[Memo]

WTF is right! This is bull****.

[xsiled2]

i waited all day for your reply to this, finally someone i can completely agree with. thanks sbp/memo


BALH BLAH EDIT..

[eSDee]

Originally posted by cpugeek04
i'm all for pickin' 'em of before they even reach the border....

It's obvious that most people here believe that this is going to encourage illegal immigration. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I am not an advocate for "opening up the borders" or "relaxing the entrance exam". However I am a firm believer in human rights. Hundreds of people die every year trying to make the trek into this country. Not just men and women, but children as well. This is a tragedy, whether you believe it or not. You are entitled to believe whatever you want about the subject of immigration, but when you say something as ignorant as the remark by cpugeek, then you are basically saying you don't give any value to the lives of these people. Just because these people are trying to enter into "your country" without permission. Does that mean they deserve to die? If you think yes, then you my friend are a piece of work. Your perspective on the world is skewed.

I'm going to end this rant before I say too many other things and get myself banned. I just have to say that subjects like these are going to be sensitive issues to some(me for instance). If you can't make an intelligent statement, then just go back to your stupid joke threads.:angry:

[Speedfreak]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco


It's obvious that most people here believe that this is going to encourage illegal immigration. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I am not an advocate for "opening up the borders" or "relaxing the entrance exam". However I am a firm believer in human rights. Hundreds of people die every year trying to make the trek into this country. Not just men and women, but children as well.

That is where the problem lies. That statement is contradictory. You don't advocate "opening the boarders", but you don't like seeing people die trying to enter the USA. Well, they are trying that becuase the "borders aren't open".

I too believe in not "opening the borders", I also would not like to see any help for them. If they think the risk is acceptable, then so be it.

[eSDee]

edited because I have something else to say...

Ok...after further though I have come to reason that I may be giving you guys too hard of a time. I apologize for being rash but I stick by my words, because they are what I truly believe. I know that I am "hyper-sensitive" to this issue just because I know it so well. I sometimes forget that most of you on these boards only know this from a distance, and therefore have a much different perspective than me.

If any one cares to read, I'll tell you my story:

Most of you know that San Diego is in Southern California. SD is about 20 miles from the border. My family is from here, but my parents moved to the "Imperial Valley" when I was a kid. This is a border t own in the middle of the low dessert, and it gets freakin hot down there. I remember one summer when it was 120 degrees.

The parents moved to the "IV" because they both had educational degrees and wanted to become teachers. They teach English as a Second Language. Most of their students are from the Imperial Valley, and speak very little English. Remember these are American Citizens were talking about, just in case anyone is wondering. However many of these people still have family and friends in Mexico.

To make a long story short everytime a story comes out about someone dying in the dessert trying to cross the border, it hits very close to home because it is very close to home. I mentioned how how it gets down there, so you don't even have to know who died to know that they had to suffer. If any of you have been in heat like that before, you'll know it is very unpleasant. So try as you may, if you live in the Imperial Valley you can't help to get the visual of these people suffering.

Since 1998, there have been almost 1,100 deaths (http://www.migrationint.com.au/news/australia/jul_2001-01mn.html) crossing the US Mexico border. Sometimes (http://www.arizonarepublic.com/special03/articles/0524deathsreax-ON.html) these people die because they are abandoned by the "coyotes", or people paid to help them across the border. So many of these people are families, who bring their children along with them and unfortunately end up losing their lives as well. This saddens me greatly.

This is my reason for being overly sensitive to this matter. I apologize for taking it out on a couple of you who were merely stating your opinions. I still disagree but I respect your rights to have your own beliefs.

I just don't want people to forget that those who die, are real people and not just numbers. Forget politics for a while, and just remember that.

Thanks for reading.

[Speedfreak]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco


Speedfreak, so are you saying that you have to believe in one or the other? I don't think so. Most people are not so one- dimensional. You can believe that the borders should be shut tight, while still feeling compassion for the people who lose their lives.

What?! If it was easy to get into the US, people wouldn't have to go to extreme meassures that could get them killed to get into this country. I already told you that if they think the risk is acceptable then so be it. That is their choice. I do not wish to see people getting killed by trying to lead a better life, but I also recognize them as human and as having free will.




Fair enough. You are entitled to feel however you like. However remember the saying(losely quoted) "Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". Just be careful now who you condemn. One day these same people might be stepping over you in the gutters.

Again.. I am not condemning. I believe that the decisions each person makes affects their life in a large way. I wish I lived in a glass house (except the one from the movie 13 Ghosts), but I don't and I am cool with that because I know that if I really wanted a glass house I could work my way there. If I knew of a quick way to get my glass house that involved doing something illegal and life threatening, well, I should accept the consequences and how people might feel about me because of that decision.

[eSDee]

Speedfreak, read above for my retraction.

[Speedfreak]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco
Speedfreak, read above for my retraction.

Yes... I saw it. It is still what you believe as you said. I am cool with that. Preach it brotha! http://216.40.249.192/mysmilies/otn/happy/flash.gif I want to keep mine the way it is so no one else will have any questions (hopefully) on the meaning of my responses.

[Merlin]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco
I apologize for taking it out on a couple of you who were merely stating your opinions. I still disagree but I respect your rights to have your own beliefs.

It's okay. You don't have to respect opinions that call for them to just be picked off.

[Ladogaboy]

Lest we all forget: most of the Western U.S. once belonged to Mexico... :disa:

Anyway, maybe they are just planning an invasion. Who knows... Mexico could be developing a Clone Army of Maori decent that they will send up the camino to take back that which is rightfully Mexico's... :shifty: Just a theory. :shifty:

[xsiled2]

that just shows how long mexico has been corrupt.

[molecularfire]

I could be wrong, but I don't remember in history class of the U.S. fighting a mixed Mexico/Germany army. So... I doubt that Mexico took Germany up on the offer. Xsiled2, if you have any evidence to the contrary, I'd love to read it. :)

Esdee... I kinda understand your feelings on the matter (although, I doubt that I would ever fully understand it. Heck, I hope I never fully understand it). While I'm not hispanic, a LOT of my friends are, and the subject is close to them too. However, it doesn't change the fact that while these people are trying to find a better life for themselves, they're not giving us much consideration. If we could help them, I would like that. However, what worries me is the possiblilty of them taking us down with them. :(

CPU... I understand that you're just joking, but that was a really tasteless joke. Especially, since there are people out there who would agree with you. :2far:

[xsiled2]

Originally posted by molecularfire
Xsiled2

if i had wanted the x to be capital i would have made it so, also the only reason this didnt occur is because we intersepted their plans of turning mexico against us.

hell they celebrate beating france on may 5th some country, who cant beat france...

[molecularfire]

1) Sorry about the X

2) What does france have to do with anything?

[xsiled2]

that mexico is a joke.

[Merlin]

Sorry to be off the subject but....

xsiled - your new signature graphic is kind of creeping me out.

[xsiled2]

THANKS!!!

it was orgianlly from the new korn cd cover, i made it a lil more creepy :Dhttp://www.kornweb.com/untouchables/cover_lrg.jpg

[molecularfire]

And what does that have to do with the immigration issue?

Oh... and by the way, I never could figure why people in the U.S. have such a thing against France. If it wasn't for France, the U.S. wouldn't exist.

[Ladogaboy]

Okay, xsiled2 and molecularfire have hit on a couple of issues...

1) What xsiled2 was originally talking about was called the zimmerman telegraph. Google it if you want. Either way, Mexico had no intentions of fighting against the U.S.

2) Cinco de Mayo is the celebration of the defeat of a European coalition headed by Napoleon the 3rd. In saving their own hides, Mexico also saved the U.S. from likely invasion. Once the European powers were done with Mexico, the were more than likely going to turn their attention on the U.S.

3) The relations between France and the U.S. are complicated. Sure, the French supported us and helped us, but in the end, they were looking at us as nothing more than another colony. We have the Haitians to thank for not allowing that to happen.

[mojo]

Originally posted by xsiled2
that mexico is a joke. this is downright offensive. you're an offensive young man. i have no idea where you get this crap that you're breathing on these boards. it's a farking miracle that you're here this long...especially after saying stuff like this.

you've proven a few things here:

1. you have no idea what you're talking about.
2. you don't respect others.
3. you're a racist.

of course you will deny that you're a racist, because it reflects poorly on you. however, if you weren't, you wouldn't have said what i just quoted.

i respect dopey for when he defended you. people deserve chances and all. and i've put up with your small crap here and there. i've even entertained that some stuff you say could be misconstrued. but your new addition is pretty clear. you are a racist.

[Merlin]

Mexico is not a race, it is a country. And a country that has been sub-standard over the years. Yeah, he could have said it nicer, but I don't think there is anyone out there that would hold Mexico up as the model to which other countries should espire.

Based on their track record for corruption, economic progress and overall progressiveness, I too think Mexico is somewhat of a sad "joke" (poor term I know, but you get the gist).

[Ladogaboy]

Not to put words in mojo's mouth, but I don't think he was talking about just this incident. xsiled2 has been very consistent in his attitudes towards peoples of different races/cultures.

As far as the "joke" aspect goes, you can't forget that Mexico is still suffering from things that we--the U.S.--have done to them. Don't think that Mexico could have ever got out from under the U.S.'s thumb during the 20th century, no matter how enlightened they might be.

[xsiled2]

so if i said that Japan sucks because they have been in a market resession of over a decade you would also call me racist. and no its not a different thing. i said mexico not mexicans.

[mojo]

well, before anyone gets their panties any more bunched up than they already are, we should probably note that this is more about preserving life than about the whole illegal immigration thing. illegal immigration is gonna happen with or without these towers. period. and people aren't going to see it as a signal to go ahead and just go. we're talking miles of arrid land here, folks. people won't be saying "oh, now that those towers are up, i can have a place to stop to grab some water."

as far as them "knowing the risks" or the whole "so be it" aspect, i just gotta add stuff.

how many people run out of gas with their cars? i've done it a couple times myself. the thought tends to be "oh, i think i can make it till i get there" or "it can wait till i get home" or whatever. we gamble all the time with these things. of course you're more careful if you're gonna die as the result of something. but then there's no accounting for when people are desperate.

i'm sure the desperate mind makes things appear different than they are. and they are desperate if they're crossing the desert like that. heck, i have a bad time walking between casinos in the daytime when i go to vegas during the summer...they gotta be desperate to be thinking "ya, i can do that." of all the ways to die, that can't be one of the desired methods.

also, think of all the times that people take risks that do result in death. in retrospect we think "oh, that was stupid" or something to that effect. sure, stupid is stupid and maybe "so be it" comes into play, but so does humanity and watching out for the next person.

if someone goes cliff diving here and dies, they end up putting signs up to dissuade people from jumping again in that spot. if someone crosses the street at a bad intersection that's not protected, they will often put up more signals or signs or something. when it's your own people that are dying, maybe you tend to care more. and if mexico is concerned about people dying in the desert, then who is to say that it's bad in any way that they don't want it to happen?

[sbp]

Originally posted by Ladogaboy
Lest we all forget: most of the Western U.S. once belonged to Mexico... :disa:Where did Mexico get that land from? Oh yeah from the indigenous people there first. :disa:


Anyway, maybe they are just planning an invasion. Who knows... Mexico could be developing a Clone Army of Maori decent that they will send up the camino to take back that which is rightfully Mexico's... :shifty: Just a theory. :shifty: There are hispanics who support taking over the southwestern states of the US and creating something called The North Star Republic.

[sbp]

Originally posted by molecularfire
And what does that have to do with the immigration issue?

Oh... and by the way, I never could figure why people in the U.S. have such a thing against France. If it wasn't for France, the U.S. wouldn't exist. True.

And if it wasn't for the US, France would be speaking German.

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by xsiled2
so if i said that Japan sucks because they have been in a market resession of over a decade you would also call me racist. and no its not a different thing. i said mexico not mexicans.

There is a big difference here:

"Japan sucks BECAUSE "

or

"Mexico sucks PERIOD "

In one, you are basing your opinion on something they have done. In the other, you are basing your opinion on who they are. Until you qualify the statement, you are essentially saying, "I hate you for who you are." Which is, in essence, racism.

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by sbp
Where did Mexico get that land from? Oh yeah from the indigenous people there first. :disa:

That argument could be made back and forth. The U.S. got all of its land from indigenous people as well. That still has no effect on how stupid the U.S. looks in this situation. The U.S. takes a large tract of land in what was considered by many Americans to be the most unjustified war ever waged by one nation on another. Years later, people from the country who had its land seized attempt to immigrate back. They are then arrested, detained, killed, and/or escorted back across the border to try again. If they are lucky, they get into the country, find a job in a sweatshop, and endure incessant abuse and racism.

People in the U.S. complain about these immigrants taking U.S. jobs and ruining the U.S. economy, but there are several points that they forget. Most of the jobs that these immigrant workers take are jobs that most Americans wouldn't "lower" themselves to doing. Also, most immigrants DO pay into Social Security, and this at a time when SS is worried because, in the next few years, we are starting to see more people taking money out of SS than people putting it in.

Also, on a semi-unrelated side note, I have NEVER seen a "natural born American" work as hard as an immigrant worker. Let's face it, folks, American citizens are lazy. We are born thinking that we are entitled to something and can never comprehend not having those things we take for granted. Have land that has been in your family for generations taken away because the government flip-flopped overnight. Watch your children starve or have to live in squalor. Live in a house that doesn't even have 4 walls. Do those things, and see how many things you still take for granted.




Originally posted by sbp
There are hispanics who support taking over the southwestern states of the US and creating something called The North Star Republic.

We also have a bunch of clowns that ride around in white sheets who want to make this country a "pure", Christian nation. Who do you find more offensive between the two?

[xsiled2]

fine, mexico is a joke because their governmnet is corrupt and inept.

on a further note i have quite a few friends that have mexican back ground so mojo STFU.

[sbp]

Originally posted by Ladogaboy
That argument could be made back and forth. The U.S. got all of its land from indigenous people as well. That still has no effect on how stupid the U.S. looks in this situation. The U.S. takes a large tract of land in what was considered by many Americans to be the most unjustified war ever waged by one nation on another. Years later, people from the country who had its land seized attempt to immigrate back. They are then arrested, detained, killed, and/or escorted back across the border to try again. If they are lucky, they get into the country, find a job in a sweatshop, and endure incessant abuse and racism.Every country in this hemisphere got its land from the indigenous people. Guess the borders should be erased. Or better yet everyone should go back to Europe, Africa and Asia.

You know what Mexico does to illegal aliens in its country? Mexico abuses them and treats them like garbage. Seems hypocritical of Mexico to treat illegal aliens in Mexico like crap, yet insist the US take Mexican illegals and coddle them.

And whats stupid is encouraging illegals to risk their lives to cross the border only to be sent back. Mexico needs to improve its economy and country instead of exporting its problems to the US.

Its hard to believe many Americans think that was the most unjustified war ever waged and Hitler invading countless countries was more justified. And thats just one example amigo.

Fact is that land was sparcely populated and some did become American citizens 150+ years ago. The illegals crossing the border are doing so because they are economic migrants.


People in the U.S. complain about these immigrants taking U.S. jobs and ruining the U.S. economy, but there are several points that they forget. Most of the jobs that these immigrant workers take are jobs that most Americans wouldn't "lower" themselves to doing. Also, most immigrants DO pay into Social Security, and this at a time when SS is worried because, in the next few years, we are starting to see more people taking money out of SS than people putting it in. lazy asses who come

Also, on a semi-unrelated side note, I have NEVER seen a "natural born American" work as hard as an immigrant worker. Let's face it, folks, American citizens are lazy. We are born thinking that we are entitled to something and can never comprehend not having those things we take for granted. Have land that has been in your family for generations taken away because the government flip-flopped overnight. Watch your children starve or have to live in squalor. Live in a house that doesn't even have 4 walls. Do those things, and see how many things you still take for granted.People are complaining about being forced to accept waves of unskilled, non-English speaking folks. It costs money to train and educate these people. And yes these folks will work for a lower wage thereby depressing wages. Another maddening thing is some immigrants mistakely think they are entitled to what Americans have worked hard for and shed blood for as soon as they walk in the door. They know the bloodly system better than Americans! And not supporting unfettered immigration doesn't mean Americans are spoiled. The US takes in over a million people legally every year and is told that's not enough. What's a fact is some of the folks being allowed in are total riffraff. What's disgusting is seeing immigrants and illegal aliens grab valuable resources while Americans go wanting.

I've seen plenty of Americans work their asses off just like my dad has for decades. Also seen immigrants grab Social Security and other benefits while not paying one damn thing into it. :dodgy: That doesn't fit the bs mythos people gobble up that immigrants are hard workers while Americans are lazy.

[leemaj]

Tijuana is planning a huge ass convention center w/ a golf course and a hotel....if youve been to tijuana, you will see why this is weird..if you havent, just picture all those videos of the poorest parts of mexico, and then add tourists...thats tijuana

[eSDee]

SBP you've obviously got some issues to deal with, since you sound exactly like a anti- immigrant pamphlet. There is nothing I say or anyone else for that matter that will change your mind or even make you consider that you could be wrong. That's fine. You're entitled.

For that reason I'm not going to waste my time picking apart your argument. This is one of those situations where we'll just have to agree to disagree.

As far as Xsiled2 is concerned, he doesn't bother me because he is obviously the most ignorant person on these boards. Pulling the old "I have friends of that ethnicity" is weak and means nothing. He's still an ignorant little bastard.

[xsiled2]

its x god dammit. xsiled2 not Xsiled2. its been brought up before. as you describe ingnorance that would put you also in the same boat.

have a nice day.

[eSDee]

Originally posted by xsiled2
its x god dammit. xsiled2 not Xsiled2. its been brought up before. as you describe ingnorance that would put you also in the same boat.

have a nice day.

How bout I just call you schitthead instead?

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco
This is one of those situations where we'll just have to agree to disagree.


:stupid:

[xsiled2]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco


How bout I just call you schitthead instead?

releasing your ignorance ehh.

[xsiled2]

yours, oh good idea.

[Kevster]

Just to add some fuel to this fire, did anybody see this? (http://www.latimes.com/la-050402water.story)

It's just another page in the epic saga that is the water wars. :dodgy:

Mexico is pissed about losing groundwater seeping in from our side of the border and they are fighting a losing battle to stop California from lining its own canal. I guess they're mad about losing their free fresh water supply. :bandit:

[sbp]

Originally posted by EsDeeLoco
SBP you've obviously got some issues to deal with, since you sound exactly like a anti- immigrant pamphlet. There is nothing I say or anyone else for that matter that will change your mind or even make you consider that you could be wrong. That's fine. You're entitled.

For that reason I'm not going to waste my time picking apart your argument. This is one of those situations where we'll just have to agree to disagree.Mr. EsDeeLoco even you have admitted in this very thread you are too emotionally involved to be impartial with regards to this issue. Looking at this issue openly and honestly instead of through rose-colored glasses does not mean issues need to be dealt with. That said I respect you and your views.

[eSDee]

Originally posted by sbp
Mr. EsDeeLoco even you have admitted in this very thread you are too emotionally involved to be impartial with regards to this issue. Looking at this issue openly and honestly instead of through rose-colored glasses does not mean issues need to be dealt with. That said I respect you and your views.

I agree that I see it from another point of view, that many refuse to see. I say that because I can see it from your point of view as well, that gives me a more informed perspective than many. But I can see your point as well. I am passionate about it, and I know that many times passion can fog your vision. I think it's good to remember this so that you don't always go blindly into one direction. It is good to step back and look from a distance.