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Burzhui

07-02-2002, 11:11 AM

quoted from new york post

Mayor Bloomberg has given his endorsement to a City Council bill that would have New York recognize gay marriages from other states - a move that Speaker Gifford Miller calls "simply the right thing to do."

molecularfire

07-02-2002, 11:22 AM

I actually have no problem with that decision. If someone wants to be married to someone of the same gender, so be it. With all of the pretty crappy heterosexual marriages out there, I don't think we're in any position to critize homosexual relationships. :shrug:

topane

07-02-2002, 11:35 AM

Jealous, Burzhui? :P

ufcrusher

07-02-2002, 12:17 PM

UNless you have really thin walls, what difference does it make to you what two people are doing in the privacy of their home?

I generally dont have a problem with homosexual relations unless they are being shoved in my face. Even then I may not like it, but i dont find anything wrong with it. In other words, I am not willing to say that just because I dont like something that it is wrong. Especially if you buy into the biological rather than learned behavior arguement.

johnnymk

07-02-2002, 01:22 PM

Was the title of your thread "Bad Marriage" Decision or Bad "Marriage Decision"?

Burzhui

07-02-2002, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by johnnymk
Was the title of your thread "Bad Marriage" Decision or Bad "Marriage Decision"?

i misquoted

"A BAD MARRIAGE BILL"

jase71

07-02-2002, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Burzhui

"A BAD MARRIAGE BILL"

I don't think Mr. Clinton would disagree with you at this point. :P That's a horrible marriage....

Burzhui

07-02-2002, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by jase71

I don't think Mr. Clinton would disagree with you at this point. :P That's a horrible marriage....

:bonk:

Grimm

07-02-2002, 01:40 PM

I personaly would rather have homosexuals living in secure monogamous relationships as opposed to having them hitting on me or any other straight male. Monogamous relationships reduce the spread of disease and keeps the sexual activity behind closed doors.

Allowing gay marages promotes more social "buy in" by gays and helps stabilize our society. When gays feel they are a part of our community they will contribute to it.

Burzhui

07-02-2002, 01:43 PM

they contribute anyway :)

sbp

07-02-2002, 04:43 PM

Most folks don't care if two people are in a relationship. Its only when groups shove it in people's face it becomes annoying.

Lets leave marriage the way it is.

DoPeY5007

07-02-2002, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by molecularfire
I actually have no problem with that decision. If someone wants to be married to someone of the same gender, so be it. With all of the pretty crappy heterosexual marriages out there, I don't think we're in any position to critize homosexual relationships. :shrug: :stupid:

I see no problem is people getting married to some one of the same sex

johnnymk

07-02-2002, 06:28 PM

I have this sneaky feeling that faithfulness between two gay guys would last no more than, let's say, a month?

oblongmelon

07-02-2002, 07:54 PM

I have alot of gay friends who have been faithful partners,some for 20 years or more..I say hey if you love someone, then who's right is it to tell you who you can or cannot be married to. I say live and let live....

johnnymk

07-02-2002, 07:59 PM

Your gay friends, are they guys or gals? For the most part, women are more monogamous than men.

Apex

07-02-2002, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by johnnymk
I have this sneaky feeling that faithfulness between two gay guys would last no more than, let's say, a month?

Don't be mislead by reading more into research than it says. Though gays tend to have many many times as many partners as straights, as well as a much higher propensity for casual/one nighter type encounters, that doesn't mean that there aren't any that are one partner type people. There will always be exceptions, which practically anyone can name off.

johnnymk

07-02-2002, 08:23 PM

My sister lived next door to two gay guys many years ago, There was a steady stream of guys where they lived. Well, one of them died of AIDs about ten years ago and the other about two years later.
When an activity brings forth little or no satisfaction and the act itself is immersed in shame and guilt, the natural tendency is to roam and look elsewhere.
So we are going to reform our marriage laws for the rare exceptional case among the deviants?

Burzhui

07-02-2002, 09:20 PM

Ladogaboy

07-03-2002, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by johnnymk
I have this sneaky feeling that faithfulness between two gay guys would last no more than, let's say, a month?

Wow... that's just a little longer than most heterosexual couples! :eek:

BTW, johnnymk, are you happy?

Anyway, when I was down in SF visiting with my brother, we stopped by the apartment of this one couple who were friends of my brother. They were both guys, and they had both been living together for 15 years. My brother and one of the guys were about to go play pool (the other guy was sick so he couldn't go out) when they walked over to each other and kissed good bye. They are very cute together, btw... funny... the only thing I could think of at the time was how my GF was over 400 miles away. :shrug:

LPMiller

07-03-2002, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by johnnymk

So we are going to reform our marriage laws for the rare exceptional case among the deviants?

Why not, we did for straight men.

Kim

07-03-2002, 08:11 AM

I don't get why everyone gets so upset when they think of homesexuals marrying. It doesn't take anything away from the rest of us, does it? Why not let them have their commitment be legalized?

Blu

07-03-2002, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by johnnymk
My sister lived next door to two gay guys many years ago, There was a steady stream of guys where they lived. Well, one of them died of AIDs about ten years ago and the other about two years later.
When an activity brings forth little or no satisfaction and the act itself is immersed in shame and guilt, the natural tendency is to roam and look elsewhere.
So we are going to reform our marriage laws for the rare exceptional case among the deviants?

Right, that makes sense to me. If this were 150 years ago, I'm sure you'd say the same thing about slavery and if this were 50 years ago, I'm sure you'd say the same thing about integration. And if this were during the sufferage movement, I bet you'd say the same about women's right to vote. You can't judge an entire group of people by one experience that you had. If I did that I'd think everyone was a narrowminded jackass...

In other news, I think it's great. Now my brother can get married w/o going all the way to Hawaii.

jase71

07-03-2002, 08:26 AM

How fair is it to blame homosexuals for being promsicuous if we forbid them the one way they can prove that they aren't?

With no way to prove they can sustain monogamous relationships, like marriage, it's impossible to ever change the stereotype.

If we're supposed to be encouraging monogamy, why are we forbidding homosexuals from making a clear and legal statement of such?

It sounds like we're bashing them for not reaching a standard we're making it impossible for them to acheive.

Burzhui

07-03-2002, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by jase71
How fair is it to blame homosexuals for being promsicuous if we forbid them the one way they can prove that they aren't?

With no way to prove they can sustain monogamous relationships, like marriage, it's impossible to ever change the stereotype.

If we're supposed to be encouraging monogamy, why are we forbidding homosexuals from making a clear and legal statement of such?

It sounds like we're bashing them for not reaching a standard we're making it impossible for them to acheive.

they don't need to be married to prove that they can have a monogomous relationship.

I have nothing against gay's, couldn't care less actually, but i think it is a psychological anomaly and should be treated as such

jase71

07-03-2002, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Burzhui

they don't need to be married to prove that they can have a monogomous relationship.

No? Would you believe them if they just said they did? :rolleyes:

Burzhui

07-03-2002, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by jase71

No? Would you believe them if they just said they did? :rolleyes:

do you think marriage abligates you to stay and sleep with only one person???? :rolleyes: then why do you think so many married people cheat on their spouses

molecularfire

07-03-2002, 09:36 AM

Wait... I have yet to see any evidence that shows that homosexual relationships are any more fleeting than heterosexual ones (if you don't count marriages). If anyone has any evidence otherwise, please show it to me. :)

they don't need to be married to prove that they can have a monogomous relationship.

Yes, and I know some gay couples who have been in monogamous relationships. I know some gay couples who sleep around. I know some straight couples in monogamous relationships. I know some straight couples who cheat around. What's your point? :shrug:

do you think marriage abligates you to stay and sleep with only one person???? then why do you think so many married people cheat on their spouses
Exactly. So why not allow gay marriages. It's not like they'll be doing anything different. They'll just be doing it in a different way. :P

jase71

07-03-2002, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Burzhui

do you think marriage abligates you to stay and sleep with only one person???? :rolleyes: then why do you think so many married people cheat on their spouses

So are you arguing that we should take marriage away from heterosexual couples?

Apparently marriage is a worthless statement then...

Kenas

07-03-2002, 10:30 AM

I see no point in getting married at all. Gay or straight. The only reason to get married in US is to lower your tax payments. Otherwise, with percentage of divorces in the country, marriage is a failed institution. But since straight couple have a right to get married and get divorced, it is fair to make it legal for homosexuals as well. Besides, in Nevada it is legal. My gay co-worker got married to his partner in Las Vegas; now they live in NJ, own a house and live like a married couple. So the only difference is that the state does not recognize it.

Burzhui

07-03-2002, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Kenas
I see no point in getting married at all. Gay or straight. The only reason to get married in US is to lower your tax payments. Otherwise, with percentage of divorces in the country, marriage is a failed institution.

:stupid: