This time $400 free....another casino deal

[gopalag]

hi,
I don't know if this was posted before or not. If not here it goes...
This time the maximum limit of the bonus is $400 for initial deposit of $2000 (not for me...only for those with high credit limit). The link is http://www.vegascasinoonline.com/html/promotions.html
On the flip side the conditions are more severe.
Limitations: This offer applies only to your first deposit with Vegas Casino Online, and your bonus may only be cashed out once the total of all your bets exceeds your initial deposit plus bonus. For example if you deposit $200 and play blackjack at $10.00 per hand, you must play at least 23 hands before you can redeem your full bonus
PLEASE NOTE: The deposit bonus is granted once the player has wagered an amount equal to his initial deposit .
*Bonus money limited to one per family and or household. A picture ID may be requested to be sent to us via fax.

Well i haven't tried it yet. Waiting for some feedback.
GA

[MaggieOK]

I might consider this one.. but not till it gets NiceMann's or Apex's seal of approval.

Maggie

[jeepers]

Hmmm.. I wonder if they'll let you place 1000 on red and a 1000 on black...

[INeedAVacation]

sounds a bit risky, gambeling isn't supposed to be risky.........or?
I think I will wait a bit to see how this turns out. There may be a little, tiny, ity-bity, fine print that says you can't wagger $56 on 00, $56 on 0, $944 on red, and $944 on black. Or maybe you aren't allowed to do count roulette like the new rule in the $25=$125 casino or maybe I didn't even do my math right!!!! What if what if what if....

[blueribb]

I was going to go for it till I noticed they don't have Roulette or Craps yet. I've done two casinos and won at both. I think I'll wait till the checks arrive before doing another. You never know when one of these places will pull the plug and poof - your money is gone.........

Glenn (TVDoc)

[INeedAVacation]

no roulette??!!; NO WAY!!!

[NiceMann]

Ok here is the low down on this casino. Yes it is a very good casino. I've played there before.

Positives:
*It is software download not Java
*Free Overnight Express Shipping For Cash Out (Most casinos charge $35 for this)
*Member Of SafeBet (Means they do "fair")
*Usually good turn arounds for support emails

Negatives:
*Must fax a "contract" to them before you cash out.
*They do handle their own cash outs. (I prefer to use Proc-cyber, I like their turn a round)
*No 24 hour phone support
*DO NOT HAVE ROULETTE (At least when I played there. Their webpage says they don't either)
*Must play your deposit and bonus before you cash out. (Kind of stinks without the red and black on roulette) That means $2400 in bets!

All in all I say walk away from this deal. There is too much to loose.

~NiceMann

[DaNewbie]

ooo...kinda scary with all that cash http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/eek.gif

[onalamwar]

Although there is no roulette available, is it possible to place a 'safe' bet using craps (in a similar way to the roulette deal where black and red were hedged against each other)? Any gambling experts here?
kar

[playdoh]

I dunno. Are you allowed to make a bet on both the Pass and Don't Pass line?

[fsck]

i would have to agree that this seems too risky. I opt NOT to do this. Bad premonition here.

[Jedi Slayer]

I would heavily AGAINST this deal. $2000 out of pocket is too much to risk for a measly $400.

[kame]

Damn nice man.....

Ya gamble alot huh? Any advice?

[frnkjeng]

Its been awhile since I've been to Vegas but..

you can hedge your bet in craps just as easily as you can in roulette.. better actually, since its 50/50 when you bet the pass/no pass line.

Can anybody confirm/deny this? I guess I'll check out some craps sites..

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[intrepid342]

I'm feeling brave after that last deal so I'll give it a shot and post back. I'll prolly just put in 2k ($2400) and then play blackjack at like $50 a hand or so until I wager the total or sink back to 2k and then cash out either way.

WISH ME LUCK!!!!!!!! http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Timotheus]

Good Luck Intrepid. Too risky for me.

[intrepid342]

They didn't accept my MC or Visa. Weird, I even tried for $200 and no luck. Maybe their CC registration system is down http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/frown.gif

[Bandito]

Good luck and post back if you had any success or not.

[NiceMann]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kame:
Damn nice man.....

Ya gamble alot huh? Any advice?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A lot is not the word for it. I gamble juat about every night. Blackjack is my game. I have won VERY good money off of it. I even got Jenny hooked. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

~NiceMann

[bubbagump]

Count me out until the get roulette. With my luck, I would lose it all playing blackjack. I am not gonna risk 2000.

Bubba

[gopalag]

Did anybody try this one...
GA

[frnkjeng]

Ok guys..

I checked up the rules on craps, and as long as you keep betting pass/no pass, you cannot lose money. (Its better than roulette)

I guess the question remains, is the site reliable?

Aww.. my bad, they don't even have craps.... but anyway, i think its better to play craps then roulette at the other casinos that have it. its an assured 50/50

[This message has been edited by frnkjeng (edited 06-29-2000).]

[i6s1]

I did some math, and the odds are pretty slim that you would loose principal playing blackjack.

For anyone who wants to play really safe, playing 1200 hands at $2 each gives an expected loss of $12 to the house edge. The standard deviation would be 3.2%, so there is a 68% chance you would end up between $2312 and $2464. There's a 95% chance you would end up with between $2236 and $2540. And a 99% chance you would end up with between $2160 and $2616. Of course it would take a very long time to play 1200 hands. 9 hours? Best do it over a few weeks.

Playing less hands of a higher value increases the chance of losing money, but it could save you a few hours. Playing 240 hands at $10 each gives a Stddev of 7.1%.

68% chance +/- $170
95% chance +/- $340
99% chance +/- $510

So even at $10 hands you still have more than a 98% chance of being +/- 400. And half of that time you'll be +400. So about a 1% chance to loose money.

So I think I'll try it, as soon as the last one clears and opens up some room on my CC.

Anyone who actually passed stats, feel free to correct anything here.

[playdoh]

Can I ask what you base your numbers on? I'm not a statistician so the numbers are unfamiliar to me. The only stats I remember concerning casino blackjack was that the house had an approximate 12% advantage over the player if he/she were to employ basic strategy where as the player who card counts shifts the odds to his favor(albeit, very slight) at something like a 1% advantage...

[i6s1]

Using no stratagy or following hunches gives a 3-5% house advantage. Using basic stratagy (that is, playing the best odds all the time) has a house advantage of only 0.5%. Counting cards give a slight advantage to the player. How much of an advantage that is depends on how complicated your system is.

I used basic stratagy, for a 0.5% house edge:

2400*0.005=$12
2400-12=2388

So I used 2388 as my expected return.

One stddev from that is 3.2%, so:

2388*0.032=76
2388-76=2312
2388+76=2464

And a random sample will fall within one standard deviation 68% of the time.

Some of the basic stratagy rules for hard totals are:

Always stand on 17

Hit if you have between 12-16 and the dealer has 7 or up.

Stand if you have 13-16 and the dealer has less then 6.

Stand on 12 if the dealer has 4,5,6, and hit otherwise.

Double on 11 always, on 10 unless dealer has 10 or A, on 9 if the dealer has 6 or less.

Hit on 8.

Soft totals and splits are best dealt with by a chart.

[frnkjeng]

Yup, those odds sounds right.. do a web search on basic strategy, and it should pull up a nice chart that you can follow when you bet.

I noticed they had WAR on the site... Isn't that 50/50?

[davewalthall]

Aack aack. And a bit on 0 and 00 just in case. Could be an expensive roulette game if it comes up 0 or 00 otherwise. Just figure out the odds so that no matter what, you end up with the same money.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jeepers:
Hmmm.. I wonder if they'll let you place 1000 on red and a 1000 on black...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[playdoh]

i6s1 - I used to work as a BJ dealer and I'm pretty sure those numbers are way underestimated. It's way too conservative. Although come to think of it, it's based on a finite number of cards. I don't know how these online casinos work. I assume they use some kind of algorythm to figure out what cards come out?

[i6s1]

http://casinogambling.about.com/hobbies/casinogambling/library/weekly/aa061498.htm

I must admit that I don't have much practical experience with gambling. I'm not sure what you mean by underestimated. Do you think that the odds of loosing money I posted are lower then you think they are in real life?

[playdoh]

I think the odds of losing are higher than the ones you quoted. If you're talking about non basic strategy play, we're looking at easy double digit percentage in the house's favor.

[i6s1]

The numbers I used were from the link I posted above. I assumed the player would be using basic stratagy. Another thing to keep in mind would be the number of hands played, 1200. At a hand a minute, that would be 20 hours of playing. The more hands you play, the closer you'll be to the expected return.

[playdoh]

I can tell you from experience that the longer you play, the likelihood of you digging into your principal is greater. Then again, I'm not sure how online computerized games work. If they work similar to how actual physical slot machines are set up, then the odds aren't good the longer you play.

[freenet]

I CAN TELL YOU FROM A FACT THE NUMBERS ARE MEANINGLESS IN RELATION TO ONLINE CASINOS b/c:

1. you dont know how many "decks" of cards are in the virtual deck
2. even if they tell you why should you believe it?
3. about 99.9% of online casinos are fixed, if not more! How many of us played those other roulette deals and it hit o or oo? then many players played some BJ and lost 10-20 hands in a row...

ps..NiceMann care to tell us which site you play at with your own money and how profitable online gambling has been for you?

[Bires]

I have no scietific proof, but I do think the online casinos are fixed. My less-than-formal-data:

Rants: Atlantic Interbet. I played five hands of blackjack-four of those I was dealt 12. On three of the four 12's, I busted on three face cards! That was the last time I played blackjack there.

Raves: OmniCasino. I seem to always win at least 50% of my buy in for my first ten or so BJ games. Also, I've never busted in video poker-I have always (at least six times in the past four days) won with something when I bet my last credit.

[playdoh]

I'd assume they do what real casinos do with their slot machines. Set it up to take a certain % of total revenue and redistribute/payout the rest.

[cutecat56]

Well, I don't know if they are fixed or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. Personally, I've played roulette with one of these casinos with $100 staked, and I got the same number 3 times in a row. Coincidence, maybe, but I heard other people got the same result too.

[milksheikh]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by freenet:
1. you dont know how many "decks" of cards are in the virtual deck
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Several casinos I've seen state that they use a single deck which they reshuffle after every hand.

[playdoh]

In that case, card counting is useless then... =P

[milksheikh]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by playdoh:
In that case, card counting is useless then... =P
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which is exactly why they do it (in fact, this should guarantee that all the online casinos use the reshuffle after every hand method).

Otherwise, with your computer at your disposal to track every card that is played, your expected payout would be pretty darn good.

[playdoh]

Y'know what though... I've dealt to MANY card counters and I've found that more often or not, their success rate isn't much better than one who's employing basic strategy. It must've been my shuffle... =P

[lisu24]

Playing blackjack -


I won $400 this weekend playing blackjack at Geisha Lounge. Microgaming blackjack is pretty hard to win at because it does seem to be rigged.


I tried some webdollar casinos this weekend, and I really enjoyed them. You can play multiple hands and also multiple people can play at your table with you. The dealer seemed to bust a lot when you thought he would, and overall, the experience was pretty good. I ended up $100 above what I started with. The only bad thing about webdollar casinos is that you need to wait for them to snail mail you a pin before you can cash out. Prestige Casino had a $30 free with $20 deposit at <A href = "http://www.presigecasino.com"> prestige casino </A>


and the other one i played at had $30 free with $20 deposit or 10% deposit, whichever was higher at <A href = "http://www.riverboatcasino.com"> riverboat casino </a>

[This message has been edited by lisu24 (edited 07-03-2000).]

[This message has been edited by lisu24 (edited 07-03-2000).]

[frnkjeng]

Assuming the BJ isn't rigged, and the house advantage is 2%, making a large sum of money @ vegascasinoonline isn't impossible.

What do you guys think of this..

1st Bet: $400 (bonus money)
2nd Bet: $800 (assuming you won last time)
3rd Bet: $1200(assuming you won again, keeping 400)

That way you will have played 2400. If you win two in a row, you'll make $400 regardless of the third bet. You have a 1/4 chance of winning 400.

If you win your third bet (3 in a row) 1/8 chance, you'll end up with $2800.

In other words, if the casino is legit, its probably worth the time to give it a shot..

[dbax791]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by frnkjeng:
Ok guys..

I checked up the rules on craps, and as long as you keep betting pass/no pass, you cannot lose money. (Its better than roulette)

I guess the question remains, is the site reliable?

No that is not true - the don't pass line is a loser if the shooter rolls a "12" on the come out roll. So the house always has a 1/36 or slightly less than a 3 percent advantage.

Aww.. my bad, they don't even have craps.... but anyway, i think its better to play craps then roulette at the other casinos that have it. its an assured 50/50

[This message has been edited by frnkjeng (edited 06-29-2000).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[grandmasterk]

Just to let you know,buddy, some casinos don't even let you cash out the bonus unless you've bet the bonus + your deposit.
Assuming you put in 2000 using a CC and get 400 bonus. IF you get jacked down to 2000 without betting the entire 2400, they can f--k you up by ripping 400 out of your 2000 you want to cash out....you would be left raped with only 1600 back on your CC. I know this happens because starluckcasino using ezecrash(ezecrap) tried to do this on me after I did satify the bonus cash out requirments.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by intrepid342:
I'm feeling brave after that last deal so I'll give it a shot and post back. I'll prolly just put in 2k ($2400) and then play blackjack at like $50 a hand or so until I wager the total or sink back to 2k and then cash out either way.

WISH ME LUCK!!!!!!!! http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[nmartin]

I downloaded the software and it had roulette. I am thinking of doing it, but not sure.

[haven]

DO IT. Roulette is a safe bet as long as you cover yourself (i.e. on 0 and 00)

[DizzyT]

WOOHOO!!! They have Roullette!!!

Does anyone know how they charge your credit card? ie, cash advance or purchase??? It would be a $60 fee for me if cash advance.... plus, interest at like 15% until they credit the money back...

[haven]

The sites have been crediting everyone back pretty fast. I would not worry too much about that.

[CiViC]

Hmmm...it's starting to sound good...i best not try it till everyone says it's cool, i'm like a jew with money http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Dunkin' Donut]

I just checked out the page again and the fine print seems to have changed since I last read it.

Limitations: This offer applies only to your first deposit with Vegas Casino Online.
To receive the Bonus you need to wager your initial deposit twice.
For Cashing out the player needs to wager the Deposit Bonus twice !
*Bonus money limited to one per family and or household. A picture ID may be requested to be sent to us via fax.
(Note: If you need your winnings to be sent by overnight please send us your physicall address)

I just checked and they do have French and American Roulette. Does this mean you have to bet the initial $2000 twice before receiving the $400 bonus? After that it kinda seems like you have to bet the $400 twice before you can cash out. Has anyone done this yet? and what's the max you can come out with by playing roullette (betting on 0's for insurance)?

Oh yeah, I never found out what the max bet on each color or number was. Does anyone know?

[This message has been edited by Dunkin' Donut (edited 07-14-2000).]

[FunkmasterT]

Am I missing something here?

"You have to wager your initial deposit TWICE??"

So, I deposit $1000, I have to wager $2000 before I can cash out? But, I only have $1000!

I must be totally thick-headed cuz' this sounds like to me to be a total scam.

-FMT

[lisu24]

You forget...you do win some money...I would hope. I wagered $10k one time with $100. hehe.

[nmartin]

Any takers on this yet

[elwood11]

Called them- they said you need to bet 2 times your deposit, then request your bonus- by phone or email- then bet twice your bonus, before you can cash out your entire balance (including bonus).
AND they may require the faxed credit card form for a cashout if your winnings are "large."
Kind of a tall jump.
Has anyone done this?

[gumoj]

this is dumb..but do i have to be over 21 to play?