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sbp
08-10-2002, 11:30 PM
http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20020810-68392898.htm

It would appear that every generation confronts a major moral test. A great evil presents itself as a good, and the world that is not victimized by that evil is tested: Can it recognize the evil and confront it?

The pattern is eerily and depressingly repetitive.
(1) The evil takes hold.
(2) The evil has myriad defenders even among otherwise decent people.
(3) The evil is vanquished after destroying an uncountable number of lives.
(4) After the evil is vanquished, there is virtually unanimous agreement it was indeed evil.
We can identify four examples that have confronted Americans and other Westerners in the last two centuries.

One was slavery and racism. A great number of Americans and others saw little wrong with slavery. How did even some otherwise decent people defend such an obvious evil? They believed skin color determined a person's worth and destiny. To almost all Americans today, including the children of those who believed in racism, this belief is as bizarre as it is evil.

A second example was communism. Many people living in free societies actually believed communism was a moral good. No matter how many millions of innocent people communist regimes murdered, no matter how much communism deprived people of elementary human rights, many people living outside communism could not call it evil. Recall the uproar President Ronald Reagan provoked when he labeled the Soviet Union an "evil empire." Yet, within just a few years of communism's fall, it was hard to find any Westerner — outside of universities where communism had always had its greatest support — who did not routinely call communism evil.

A third example was Nazism. As difficult as it is to imagine now, even Nazism had many admirers in free countries. These people saw the economic turnaround made by Germany under Adolf Hitler and either ignored, minimized or sympathized with its totalitarianism and anti-Semitism. Because Nazism only held power for 12 years, as opposed to communism's much longer history, it had little time to engender the widespread support that communism did. Nazism was finally vanquished, but only after murdering 2 out of every 3 Jews in Europe and many millions of other innocents. And since its fall, Nazism has almost universally become synonymous with evil.

The fourth example is taking place at this moment, and it precisely repeats the pattern of the other three. There is a great evil, and many in the West either defend it or excuse its totalitarianism and anti-Semitism. It is Islamic extremism. Afghanistan, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Palestinian society have created totalitarian regimes that, in each or all cases, have terribly oppressed women; enslaved and slaughtered a million blacks who refuse to be subjugated to Islamic totalitarianism; use religious police to whip men who drink alcohol; torture Christians who live or work there; have developed a unique theology of cruelty in which God is depicted as a provider of scores of young women to all Muslims who blow themselves up while murdering Jews and Americans; and, like Nazism, it has made Jew-hatred its centerpiece. And throughout much of the Muslim Middle East, girls are murdered by fathers and brothers in "honor killings" if they are so much as perceived as having spent time with a male unapproved by the family.

It should not be difficult to call all this evil, but just as with the previous evils, many Western voices not only defend these regimes and doctrines, they reserve their condemnations only for those who oppose the evil. Apologists like best-selling author Karen Armstrong, the professors of the Middle East Studies Association of North America (MESA), professors in other fields, the leftist European and American press — all these deny Islamic evils. Just as their predecessors blamed America for the Cold War with communism, and dismissed anti-communists as "warmongers" and "fascists," today's deniers of evil blame America and Israel for Islamic terror and label terror's opponents "bigots," "Islamophobes" and, of course, "warmongers."

It is to be hoped this particular evil will be eradicated before it slaughters even more innocents. But the history of evil offers little optimism. Instead we are once again subjected to the spectacle of people living in splendor apologizing for the greatest cruelty of their time. When you see this, you understand why God "regretted that he made man on Earth."

mojo
08-10-2002, 11:55 PM
it could easily be argued that capitalism is evil, although i didn't see it in the list. i guess that'll come later.

but we've all heard things like "money is the root of all evil" and stuff. of course, capitalism is largely based on private and corporate ownership of stuff, so it's easy to note the importance of money here. people kill for it, use it to solicit illicit acts and objects, etc.

i know the article wasn't about evil tho. i won't argue the legitimacy of the relationship drawn. but it was kinda grandstanding and holier-than-thou in its approach. i mean...please. "we had all these evils...and the evil we face now is this other thing in a far off land." give me a break. we have evils here and now that we just choose to ignore, and this article is just coming out too closely to the anniversary of the wtc tragedy to be coincidence. it's just sensationalism.

Merlin
08-11-2002, 05:56 AM
I hate to say it but I thing some apples and oranges were mixed here. Communism is an economic system and as such is neither good nor evil. The real evil laid in the regiems that were in control of what happened on their watch.

That said I do getthe idea. People who are "evil" always seem to pop up and always will. Remember...The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

molecularfire
08-11-2002, 08:31 AM
Since right and wrong is subjective, evil is also. History is written by the victors, so of course it'll look like every generation conquered an evil. Kinda lame to say, yeah, we did nothing. Think of it this way, Slavery has been going on for a little bit longer than a generation. Heck, it still goes on in some parts of the world today.

Grimm
08-11-2002, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by molecularfire
Since right and wrong is subjective, evil is also. History is written by the victors, so of course it'll look like every generation conquered an evil. Kinda lame to say, yeah, we did nothing. Think of it this way, Slavery has been going on for a little bit longer than a generation. Heck, it still goes on in some parts of the world today.
:stupid:

Money is not the root of all evil.
The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.

People need to stop misquoting that, or send me all their money to save themselves. Either is fine by me.

Communism itself was not evil, it was the people in power who made it so.
Facisim itself was not evil, it was the people in power who made it so.
Slavery in and of itself is evil.
Islam itself is not evil, it is the people in power who make it so.

And this generation hasn't been tested yet. revil, Nija, and I haven't decided what the test will be yet.


/edited for spelling

hapoo
08-11-2002, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by Grimm
And this generation hasn't been tested yet. revil, Nija, and I haven't decided what the test will be yet.



so does this mean i can join you guys since i'm muslim?

Apex
08-11-2002, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Grimm

:stupid:

Money is not the root of all evil.
The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.

People need to stop misquoting that, or send me all their money to save themselves. Either is fine by me.

Actually, correctly translated, the entire quote is:

The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.

Showtime
08-11-2002, 11:10 PM
wow deep stuff mr A.
it gives a whole new(old) meaning to that quote we all toss around.
-jel:halo:
ps:I dont love money, i can prove it. Give me a lot of money and I will get rid of it and be done with it. I will spend it all on things that I think I love. :D

hapoo
08-12-2002, 01:26 AM
I'm not even going to comment on the article itself except to say that i'm against any "extremism" of any kind, but i agree with mojo on this one.

On a side note, couple days ago i downloaded the game America's Army and as luck would have it my video card didn't want to work with it, so today i went over to their forums and did a search to see if i could find anything that could help... I was appalled to see some of the most ignorant, racist, and hurtful posts on their forums about middle easterners, some even posted by soldiers. :( I'm sad to see the mods haven't even bothered to lock the thread.
I'm just really thankful for the GA forums and all the intelligent people here who actually think with an open mind instead of spitting out rubbish like that.

Grimm
08-13-2002, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by hapoo



so does this mean i can join you guys since i'm muslim?
No, your religion has nothing to do with it... it's just that you're not evil... try harder next time.