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sbp
08-13-2002, 01:37 PM
http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2002/08/12/daily6.html

Five Enron Corp. insiders who reaped $7 million in the year before the company's collapse are among a group of laid-off Enron workers who are asking a bankruptcy court for extra pay, the Associated Press reported Monday.

They include the wife of former CEO Jeffrey Skilling.

The five insiders joined 49 other former colleagues in opting out of a tentative agreement negotiated earlier this summer that would give some 3,550 laid-off workers as much as $13,500 each in severance.

Instead, they filed individual claims, several of which are seeking hundreds of thousands of dollars more from the bankrupt Houston-based energy company.

Bankruptcy judge Arthur Gonzalez said Monday he would decide at the end of August whether those who opted out of the tentative agreement should receive anything, and how much, according to AP.

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The ruling is critical because if the total amount granted to those making individual claims exceeds the amount they would have received under the tentative agreement, Enron and its creditors are allowed to back out of the $29 million deal.

If that happens, thousands of former workers would likely seek severance payments exceeding the amount they would have received under the agreement, lawyers for the former workers said.

Among those who opted out of the tentative agreement is Rebecca Carter, a former senior vice president who married Skilling in March and received more than $477,500 in payments and stock in the year leading up to Enron's collapse. Carter is now asking for $875,000 more, according to bankruptcy court filings.

In all, 144 insiders amassed more than $743 million in salary, bonuses, long-term incentives, loan advances, stock options and more between December 2000 and December 2001, when Enron filed for bankruptcy. For his part, Skilling received nearly $35 million during that period.

David Cox, a former executive at Enron's high-speed Internet subsidiary, is seeking $1.1 million from his former employer after receiving $1.1 million in the year before Enron's collapse.

Keith Dodson, a former executive in Enron's engineering and construction subsidiary, wants $210,000. Dodson received $319,941 in the 12 months before Enron's collapse.

Charles Garland, a former managing director, is asking for $892,000. He received $1.6 million before Enron's demise.

John Sherriff, the former president of Enron's European operations, asked for $1.65 million. He received $4.3 million in pay and stock before the collapse.

The former insiders claim they're owed "administrative expenses," which can include wages and commissions for services they rendered that helped preserve the value of the company after it filed for bankruptcy, the wire service reported. Bankruptcy experts said the burden of proof will be difficult since their employment contracts were terminated when the company made its Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing Dec. 2.

Even if Gonzalez rules in favor of the former employees on the administrative expense claims, he might withhold funds pending an investigation into the pay and stock these employees received in the year before Enron imploded.

Lawyers representing the official creditors committee argued in a court filing that Gonzalez should not provide any severance to these individuals until an ongoing investigation of the earlier payments is complete.

Gonzalez is expected to rule on the administrative expense claims and the severance agreement in the last week of August.

jase71
08-13-2002, 01:53 PM
I don't even know what to say.... :disa:

DoPeY5007
08-13-2002, 02:06 PM
ok they got 7 mil, 13k isn't ish :disa:

ChahSiuBow
08-13-2002, 02:12 PM
Man, they should all be dragged out :poke:, beaten :boxing: and then shot. :johnwoo2:

latingirl
08-13-2002, 02:37 PM
This is unbelievable.

I guess they want more money that they can waste and "sit" on, while too many people out here are strugglin. But the system wasn't designed for "us" to succeed so we need to get creative, work harder and have perseverence anyway. At least we end up with the "charachter", which counts for so much more in my book.

mojo
08-13-2002, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by DoPeY5007
ok they got 7 mil, 13k isn't ish :disa: i thought it said
Instead, they filed individual claims, several of which are seeking hundreds of thousands of dollars more from the bankrupt Houston-based energy company.and
Among those who opted out of the tentative agreement is Rebecca Carter, a former senior vice president who married Skilling in March and received more than $477,500 in payments and stock in the year leading up to Enron's collapse. Carter is now asking for $875,000 more, according to bankruptcy court filings.and even

David Cox, a former executive at Enron's high-speed Internet subsidiary, is seeking $1.1 million from his former employer after receiving $1.1 million in the year before Enron's collapse.

Keith Dodson, a former executive in Enron's engineering and construction subsidiary, wants $210,000. Dodson received $319,941 in the 12 months before Enron's collapse.

Charles Garland, a former managing director, is asking for $892,000. He received $1.6 million before Enron's demise.

John Sherriff, the former president of Enron's European operations, asked for $1.65 million. He received $4.3 million in pay and stock before the collapse.so it's not just what the average person is getting, but again it's much more. :disa:

sbp
08-13-2002, 04:41 PM
It really shows how far out of touch some of these big$hots are. But since they done such a good job they deserve a raise:

http://www.columbia.edu/~jsh58/noose.jpg

DoPeY5007
08-13-2002, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by sbp
It really shows how far out of touch some of these big$hots are. But since they done such a good job they deserve a raise:

http://www.columbia.edu/~jsh58/noose.jpg :heh: nice one!

Memo
08-13-2002, 04:58 PM
I don't care. If they aren't the ones that were involved in the scandal then I think they are enttitled to their lost wages. I'd probably do the same if my company went out like that. Especially if I had a family. However, if these are the bastards who are in accused of the crimes, then ya......tehyr'e bastards.

mojo
08-13-2002, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by sbp
It really shows how far out of touch some of these big$hots are. But since they done such a good job they deserve a raise:

http://www.columbia.edu/~jsh58/noose.jpg true...but since their schitt don't stink, they'd get a rope that's not so frayed...perhaps even silk or something :disa:

mojo
08-13-2002, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by UT Memo
I don't care. If they aren't the ones that were involved in the scandal then I think they are enttitled to their lost wages. I'd probably do the same if my company went out like that. Especially if I had a family. However, if these are the bastards who are in accused of the crimes, then ya......tehyr'e bastards. well, it could make it all drag out cuz
The ruling is critical because if the total amount granted to those making individual claims exceeds the amount they would have received under the tentative agreement, Enron and its creditors are allowed to back out of the $29 million deal.

If that happens, thousands of former workers would likely seek severance payments exceeding the amount they would have received under the agreement, lawyers for the former workers said.

jase71
08-13-2002, 05:52 PM
With the money these folks made in the year leading up to Enron's bankruptcy, they ought to be the LAST ones to collect anything scavenged from the carcass of the company. The last time I checked, those running the company were responsible for it's success or failure.

144 of these people took home 743 MILLION dollars in the last year of Enron's existence. That's about $5 million a piece, on average. Meanwhile, the rest of the rank and file are scrambling to get $13K.

Perhaps, had the execs been a little less focused on personal profit, and a little more focused on the viability of the company, things might be a little different. If they'd only made $1 million a year, Enron would've been $600 million better off. Or, there would be $600 million additional dollars to pay off creditors or compensate those who lost their jobs and retirement savings thanks to those same execs.

It's bad enough when execs make obscene amounts of money if the company is profitable. At least it's not risking the jobs and futures of the employees.

But when they make those profits at the expense of the regular employee's jobs and futures,,, :angry: Well, that rope looks like a good solution.

Grimm
08-13-2002, 08:31 PM
I believe they should get the full amount they are asking for.

In quarters, shoved right up their a**es. Then again it is Texas... and lynching is traditional...

brain
08-13-2002, 08:51 PM
All these ex-CEOs and higer ups deserve to go to hell. Driving multi-billion dollar companies into the ground and getting paid fat cash for it. One prime example is the ex-CEO of Global Crossings. He is spending $30 million dollars on his $130 million dollar house in Bel Air on some upgrades. ALl this is going on while the ex-employees were never to re-coup $30 million in back wages. Jerks.

eSDee
08-13-2002, 09:22 PM
Those are some evil bastards :2far:

Grimm
08-13-2002, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by eSDeeLoco
Those are some evil bastards :2far:
No, they can't be... they never show up for the meetings...

They're just greedy bastards.

GraingerGuy
08-13-2002, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by Grimm
I believe they should get the full amount they are asking for.

In quarters, shoved right up their a**es. Then again it is Texas... and lynching is traditional...

OUCH!! That would hurt....but it would be deserved! Bastids....:angry:

mojo
08-13-2002, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by Grimm
I believe they should get the full amount they are asking for.

In quarters, shoved right up their a**es. Then again it is Texas... and lynching is traditional... "you've been handling my ass pennies..." :hihi: