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whitak24

08-15-2002, 04:06 PM

i dunno.....i understand that the mods don't want post count to be the only objective.

and i understand that they don't want people to just neff to up their postcount.

but i guess i haven't seen any changes in the posting habits of either DF or dopey -- imo, it doesn't seem that either of them has tried to post more in than normal in order to reach 10k or to be the first to reach 10k.

if nothing else, everyone else just finds it interesting to watch them rack up these huge post totals that we'll never be able to match.

hmmm......kind of strange decision, from my viewpoint.

mojo

08-15-2002, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by latingirl
What exactly is "Neffin'"? posting just to post or add to post count.

personally, i'll post a lot of meaningless stuff just for amusement purposes. but then again i guess if at least someone thinks it's amusing (including me) or the potential is there, then it's not exactly meaningless.

but neffing is when the replies are all ":stupid:" or "well said" or something like that with no real substance.

postcount envy does exist :hihi:

hapoo

08-15-2002, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by latingirl
What exactly is "Neffin'"?

posting just so your post count can go higher.
Usually the posts are just one smilie or just one word, and if they're creative enough the neffer might actually put together one sentence.

sbp

08-15-2002, 04:31 PM

Pretty obvious that large number of posts were being put up just to raise post count. And then a thread is put up to celebrate that? :2far:

mojo

08-15-2002, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by hapoo

posting just so your post count can go higher.
Usually the posts are just one smilie or just one word, and if they're creative enough the neffer might actually put together one sentence. :stupid:

:P

seriously tho...i was wondering...has GAM ever made a reversal of his/her decision? (/me considers GAM may be apex' wife :P )

i6s1

08-15-2002, 04:44 PM

In the past, "Neffin" has been met with a drop in the offender's post count. I don't see why things would change now. Thats why I'm not so sure that's what this is all about.

I think that the GAM owes us an explaination. I don't mind abiding by the rules. But if an offense causes us all to be punished, I think we should all get to know what happened, and who did it. I'm also aware that the GAM doesn't need to explain, cause he runs this town. I just think it would be the right thing for him to do.

I also haven't seen any neffin. Except for my own.

Sir_Froggy

08-15-2002, 04:58 PM

whew good thing i reached 2000 before this happened :eek:

hmm....now why would this happen? :hmm:

let us ponder the situation

ribitch

08-15-2002, 05:00 PM

what about a damn, i have 10,000 posts. What am i going to do now? Its not really a celebratory post, and you would get to post your post count

hang10wannabe

08-15-2002, 05:31 PM

i understand the moderators hold the power, but in my opinion to restrict something so pointless just seems immature and not a good use of that power... i understand closing potty threads or pr0n threads... but not one to celebrate 10000!!!!! posts... i mean... two dudekies are going to be firsts... thats just not right... nor is it fair...:|

eSDee

08-15-2002, 05:34 PM

postcount envy does exist :hihi:

I imagine this decission was based on the fact that Dopey and DF have been neffing non-stop to see who reaches 10k.

The prosecution rests :heh:

Yep I'm in agreement with most here. I don't believe anything "happened" I just think there was a little increase in daily posting by our top posters. But these 2 have earned their post totals, unlike many who have high post counts and have contributed little. I believe it is a mistake to deny them the honor of hitting 10k posts. It's just not right. I'm a little bummed that I won't be able to celebrate 3k, but not as bad as I feel for these two not being able to celebrate the big 10000.

All those in favor of GAM reversing her/his vote? Say I!

hang10wannabe

08-15-2002, 05:39 PM

I!

and im not neffing... im agreeing:D

08-15-2002, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by eSDeeLoco
I'm a little bummed that I won't be able to celebrate 3kI'll take that one step further - with the kind of attitude that GAM has consistently shown - "this is my place and I don't owe you jack" - I'm not sure I even care to hit 3k.

Dopes and DF add a hell of a lot to these forums. To smack them down in this manner without any explanation to the community makes me wonder any of us should continue contributing.

-OC

hapoo

08-15-2002, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by overclocked
To smack them down in this manner without any explanation to the community makes me wonder any of us should continue contributing.

-OC

Contributing is great! I recomend everyone does it. But heres what i see:
There are people with <2000 posts who i remember very well because of the content of their posts, then there are people who have >5000 posts and i can only point to a handful of worth while posts. I'm not pointing any fingers here, and as you all know I was and probably am still in the later group but G|A never in the past tolerated neffing, why the sudden out burst when they enforce it now?
When you look at the side bar to see who the last person was to post on a thread, and its constantly the same name, somethings not right.
Would you care to point to an example or two where GAM has shown this is my place and I don't owe you jack"??

hang10wannabe

08-15-2002, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by hapoo

Contributing is great! I recomend everyone does it. But heres what i see:
There are people with <2000 posts who i remember very well because of the content of their posts, then there are people who have >5000 posts and i can only point to a handful of worth while posts. I'm not pointing any fingers here, and as you all know I was and probably am still in the later group but G|A never in the past tolerated neffing, why the sudden out burst when they enforce it now?
When you look at the side bar to see who the last person was to post on a thread, and its constantly the same name, somethings not right.
Would you care to point to an example or two where GAM has shown this is my place and I don't owe you jack"??

while G|A is a forum for people to share ideas... its also a kind of chat... people have long convorsations in the forums... now this might not be "worth while" to some people but to these people it may be... now i know theres things like aim or msn messenger out there for people to "chat" but the nice thing bout forums are that the two people dont have to be online at the same time to talk... through forums they interact and still have worthwhile convos to themselves... theres my two cents :)

jase71

08-15-2002, 06:36 PM

I'm not sure this is a battle worth fighting.

Don't get me wrong... I'm more than a little sensitive when it comes to perceived censorship. I had my final protest post written back when Pennypinch got the hook last year, and I was ready to move on. I didn't post it, but I was a mouse click away.

But this isn't the same issue. This is, when it comes down to it, a discussion of whether or not we have the right to pat ourselves on the back for posting a certain number of times. And while I have a lot of respect for Dopey and DF, I respect them for what they say, not for how many times they've posted. I couldn't care less if they've had 10 posts or 10,000. WHAT they say matters more than how many times they say it. The same standard applies even more so to those who seem to think quantity is a substitute for quality.

Maybe we should just take this as a not-so-subtle hint that the contents of our posts matter more than the number of them.

And let's save our ammo for a fight that's worthy of our attention.

Hiro

08-15-2002, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by hang10wannabe
I!

and im not neffing... im agreeing:D
:stupid:

*I*

sbp

08-15-2002, 06:45 PM

jase71 you don't know the whole story behind the PP matter. If you are interested, I'll be glad to fill you in. There is some stuff that never came out on the forums.

sbp

08-15-2002, 06:47 PM

Well looking into the various forums around here and into threads it was plain what was occuring. http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/wink2.gif

Originally posted by dbax791
Sometimes I get confused, you seem to want people to post by adding badges and ranks, have "approved post count" threads, and start a "random facts" thread, and now GAM is saying "no more post count threads"?Its all fun but when its taken wayyy too far... :o

Originally posted by oblongmelon
I would take into consideratin (if I was a GAM which I am not)..who has the most posts with substanence(sp-sorry)..then let the obvious neffer go unnoticed to 10,000 but let the other celebrate. Having no post count celebrations for 3 months isnt fair to those who havent abused the ruling. How to measure the worth of someone like Jeffbx-by Karma? :hmm:

Originally posted by i6s1
In the past, "Neffin" has been met with a drop in the offender's post count. I don't see why things would change now. Thats why I'm not so sure that's what this is all about.Apparently it hasn't been enough to dissuade this behavior. When it happens over and over again obviously stronger measures needed to be taken.

Originally posted by DarkFury
Geezus... why not just ban "Yay" celebration threads altogether? :hmm:A good idea. Perhaps its time to move past this whole postcount business.

coleslaw

08-15-2002, 06:57 PM

We don't want what happened over at hardforum (http://www.hardforums.com) to happen here. They did away with the General Mayhem forum (a.k.a. Off Topic) because it was totally out of control. A few people then went off and created a separate General Mayhem forums on their own to satisfy their craving.

latingirl

08-15-2002, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by jase71
I'm not sure this is a battle worth fighting.

Don't get me wrong... I'm more than a little sensitive when it comes to perceived censorship. I had my final protest post written back when Pennypinch got the hook last year, and I was ready to move on. I didn't post it, but I was a mouse click away.

But this isn't the same issue. This is, when it comes down to it, a discussion of whether or not we have the right to pat ourselves on the back for posting a certain number of times. And while I have a lot of respect for Dopey and DF, I respect them for what they say, not for how many times they've posted. I couldn't care less if they've had 10 posts or 10,000. WHAT they say matters more than how many times they say it. The same standard applies even more so to those who seem to think quantity is a substitute for quality.

Maybe we should just take this as a not-so-subtle hint that the contents of our posts matter more than the number of them.

And let's save our ammo for a fight that's worthy of our attention.

I second all that.

jase71

08-15-2002, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by sbp
jase71 you don't know the whole story behind the PP matter. If you are interested, I'll be glad to fill you in. There is some stuff that never came out on the forums.

No, you're right... I probably don't know the whole story, sbp. I wasn't checking in often around the time when that happened, and I'm sure I missed a lot of the background. If you get a few minutes, please fill me in.

All I got was the bits and pieces I could gather after the incident was long over... and what kept me from posting that protest was the idea that I probably didn't have the whole story. Shame to go out in a blaze of glory if you misunderstood the situation entirely.

latingirl

08-15-2002, 07:22 PM

Now I have more of an understanding of the problem.

Personally, I don't see what difference it makes. Celebrating a post count REALLY isn't that big of a deal, and it doesn't make them any more important than anyone else, they know that. BUT it does show that there are those that are loyal to the site and have contributed to the community for a long time. That's a good thing. As a matter of fact, there SHOULD be some sort of acknowledgement because these people have obviously been here for YEARS...10K is a LOT of posts to rack up.

I really think you should reconsider, because it seems more like a "censorship" issue to me (even if you didn't mean it to be).

I really don't see either one of them posting without contributing "something". And, since I (and others) haven't been here that long, if you can tell me that the majority of the 10K have just been posted to up the count then I can understand. But that certainly doesn't seem like the case here.

oblongmelon

08-15-2002, 07:33 PM

hey when it comes right down to it..everyone is a neffer at one point or another..*sheepish look*..ok well maybe not me..but..erm..anyway..I kind of agree with OC in a way..except I wouldn't say it's ALL the GAMS (And we all know there isn't only one)..it's very obvious which GAM locks certain threads when it strikes their fancy, and which GAM puts warnings out about various posts..but uses a bit of decorum in doing so..I mean I could go on about how I've had threads closed because they were ASSUMED to be for one person only, even though the topic didnt specify anyone in particular, but yet THERE ARE STILL people posting DIRECTLY to others that never get locked. And of course we know that anything pertaining to the chatroom will NEVER be locked..EVER,regardless of what the post is. GAMS are supposed to be fair..when they aren't I say then it's time to pick some new GAMS. Thats my opinion.

sbp

08-15-2002, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by sho.gun
hmm yeah that doesnt make much sense. I mean why do we have a postcount meter thing anyway if we can't even celebrate them. What's the use? Guess it could be done. At the Eido vBulletin forum it has been. Got hack? :shrug: http://www.eidosgames.com/forums/index.html

I believe it is a mistake to deny them the honor of hitting 10k posts. It's just not right. I'm a little bummed that I won't be able to celebrate 3k, but not as bad as I feel for these two not being able to celebrate the big 10000.No one is being denied anything. When a certain number is hit, you feel good. Hurrah! http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/happy.gif

mojo

08-15-2002, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by jase71

No, you're right... I probably don't know the whole story, sbp. I wasn't checking in often around the time when that happened, and I'm sure I missed a lot of the background. If you get a few minutes, please fill me in.

All I got was the bits and pieces I could gather after the incident was long over... and what kept me from posting that protest was the idea that I probably didn't have the whole story. Shame to go out in a blaze of glory if you misunderstood the situation entirely. thing about stuff after the fact like that is you get the different camps posting about the event itself. those biased for and against the person, and those just agreeing with the principle or disagreeing. personally, i dunno the "full inside story," but i do remember a rash of people that liked him as a person suddenly saying stuff was "wrong" when it would make you wonder if they would give a rat's ass if someone else who they didn't like got banned or whatever for the same reasons.

when it becomes personal, the truth gets hard to out.

ribitch

08-15-2002, 08:01 PM

blocking certain types of posting is going to cause many people to loose interest in the forums. Limiting unacceptable humor/language is one thing, but saying you cant post something as simple as a rank change is a bit unreasonable.

I used to be a member of another forum. One day i logged on, and all threads were moderated. You could post, but it wouldnt show up until the moderators read it, and editted any content they didnt like. They did this to keep people from posting commenst about their site. They clearly told teh users their reasoning, and people got pissed and moved to other boards. I still check th eboard at least once a week, but i never post there unless its something major. Their site lost allot of respect and advertisement revenue.

when people post a "Thanks" or "great deal", or "congrats", its usually not to get 1 extra post. Its usually used to thank the person or congratulate them. Short posts like this are totally acceptable in my mind and should not be restricted or controlled. Posting in a game style thread is often done for fun. Sure it is an easy way to bump up your post count, but the game is what the point is.

Personally, post count doesnt really mean much to me. It does signify how active you are here, but in no way does it make 1 person more credible than another. Who cares if they get 10K posts./ Its a great accomplishment, but beyond the day or so of congratulations, they gain nothing.

Got|apex is a great community. The staff does a great job at maintaining the site and providing worthwhiole content. The forum members are great for helping people out, passing along a deal or thought, and an occasional way to vent. Lets not ruin this by censoring the community.

Cheesypuff

08-15-2002, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by hang10wannabe

while G|A is a forum for people to share ideas... its also a kind of chat... people have long convorsations in the forums... now this might not be "worth while" to some people but to these people it may be... now i know theres things like aim or msn messenger out there for people to "chat" but the nice thing bout forums are that the two people dont have to be online at the same time to talk... through forums they interact and still have worthwhile convos to themselves... theres my two cents :)

The thing is Hnag...G|A has already made a place to have a chat and whatnot. sure people use this as a chat from time to time, but it is quickly noticed by the person and they either stop or go to the chat rooms. Though I don't think DF and Dopey should be prevented from busting out their 10k post...personally, they post very good stuff and at time can "chat" a little. But who of us can say that we never "Chated" a little...:)

mojo

08-15-2002, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by ribitch
blocking certain types of posting is going to cause many people to loose interest in the forums. Limiting unacceptable humor/language is one thing, but saying you cant post something as simple as a rank change is a bit unreasonable.

I used to be a member of another forum. One day i logged on, and all threads were moderated. You could post, but it wouldnt show up until the moderators read it, and editted any content they didnt like. They did this to keep people from posting commenst about their site. They clearly told teh users their reasoning, and people got pissed and moved to other boards. I still check th eboard at least once a week, but i never post there unless its something major. Their site lost allot of respect and advertisement revenue.

when people post a "Thanks" or "great deal", or "congrats", its usually not to get 1 extra post. Its usually used to thank the person or congratulate them. Short posts like this are totally acceptable in my mind and should not be restricted or controlled. Posting in a game style thread is often done for fun. Sure it is an easy way to bump up your post count, but the game is what the point is.

Personally, post count doesnt really mean much to me. It does signify how active you are here, but in no way does it make 1 person more credible than another. Who cares if they get 10K posts./ Its a great accomplishment, but beyond the day or so of congratulations, they gain nothing.

Got|apex is a great community. The staff does a great job at maintaining the site and providing worthwhiole content. The forum members are great for helping people out, passing along a deal or thought, and an occasional way to vent. Lets not ruin this by censoring the community. well, the reality here is that people may leave, but others will become interested and stuff because of the nature of the boards here. we're pretty much all "expendable" to an extent in that way. and most of the people won't leave for something so trivial, so the bulk of the community will remain and continue to attract people.

nobody changed any rules. they're just enforcing them. i don't exactly agree with the whole community being affected by this, but i wouldnt question the rules already in place.

latingirl

08-15-2002, 09:22 PM

Is it me or is everybody's post count stuck. :o

DoPeY5007

08-15-2002, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by latingirl
Is it me or is everybody's post count stuck. :o it is just you ;)

ufcrusher

08-15-2002, 09:39 PM

Personally, I think that we can all solve this in a very easy manner. I am sure that is someone pms the GAM and inquires in a very polite way what triggered the moratorium on thread count celebrations, we will get an answer.

For all we know there is a good reason, that we are unaware of, for the moratorium. Then again, it could just be that DF and Dopey triggered the wrath of GAM by making fun of their vulcan ear tip collection. :D

Either way, rather than waste time speculating, someone could do some investigating. To me its no big deal, as I dont tend to post when i hit the "milestones", but there are some people here who take great pride in their posting accomplishments. As far as I am concerned, so long as its doesnt take up a large percentage of the topics, I could really care less.

A possible solution would be to have just one thread entitled post count updates, in which everyone could post their newly acquired levels and get their kudos. Sure, its not the same as having your own thread but at the same time if it makes it so that people can post it and the GAM agrees, its a compromise.

brainsmile

08-15-2002, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by cpugeek04
i think GAM needs to do some 'splainin'

GAM answers to no one <except for the big boss>

mojo

08-15-2002, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by DarkFury
Honestly, I've only had the BEST intentions...does marsellus wallace look like a b...oops, wrong thread :shifty:

:P

Ladogaboy

08-15-2002, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by mojo
personally, i dunno the "full inside story," but i do remember a rash of people that liked him as a person suddenly saying stuff was "wrong" when it would make you wonder if they would give a rat's ass if someone else who they didn't like got banned or whatever for the same reasons.

when it becomes personal, the truth gets hard to out.

Well, I probably don't know the "full inside story" either, but I do remember what the controversy was about, at least as seen by me. The issues--for me--were simply: did he deserve to be banned for what he posted; and did what he posted warrant being censored? In both cases, I felt know. I'm sure sbp could let me know the full story too, and I think I might know what it was. It seems to me that the "Jesus Pic" was just the last button in a long line of buttons that PP had pressed.

As for this current issue, I can't say I agree with it. As a personal preference, I don't celebrate my post count and rarely celebrate that of others. But, I don't see anything wrong with the practice either. I would rather see a post count thread every so often than a twice or thrice told joke or link to something that I've already seen, don't care to see, or both.

attgig

08-15-2002, 11:43 PM

ok...honestly, we can argue all we want..

but you know what..
I just pretty much ignored what everyone wrote, because GAM never wrote anything...
what we say,really won't change the fate of the celebratory threads...

I'd still like an explanation.
just spit it out boy!

CornMonkey

08-16-2002, 12:02 AM

so, is, uh, "neffing" short for something?

personally, i couldn't care less for post count. if anything, i only want to hit 2000 so i can use my custom avatar. :D but i DO wonder about this "neffing" thing.

hang10wannabe

08-16-2002, 12:23 AM

ok my count was 307 when i started this reply... i just wanna see if Latingirl was correct in her assumption of our counters being frozen :hmm:

ok this is an edit... it was prob just her :D but yea... i hope the G|A Moderator is reading our thoughts on this matter... otherwise whats the point? :confused:

eSDee

08-16-2002, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by CornMonkey
so, is, uh, "neffing" short for something?

i DO wonder about this "neffing" thing.

http://www.sdlocals.com/images/darthsearch.gif

hang10wannabe

08-16-2002, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by eSDeeLoco

http://www.sdlocals.com/images/darthsearch.gif

LOL!!! :heh: thats good nice lighting effect

star wars dudeski ay :dodgy:

excellent :D

Merlin

08-16-2002, 05:46 AM

I think the fact that this thread is already on its third page says it all. The GAM wants to de-emphasize the importance of post count. Everyone here takes it way too seriously. I think its his (her?) way of pointing out that it really means a lot less than we think. Hell, I think they should turn them off for a month or so so we get a little better perspective on these things. :shrug:

faither

08-16-2002, 07:12 AM

see Apology thread.

g222leav

08-16-2002, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by hapoo

When you look at the side bar to see who the last person was to post on a thread, and its constantly the same name, somethings not right.

....look, i don't have internet access at work, i don't have internet access at in my classes, i don't have internet access on my phone (that i want to use anyways). so i don't sit here all day and chime into threads as the appear. sometimes i get home late at night and i per-ruse through the forums for what i've missed during the day....and yes, i do notice that the side bar will have the same poster for the whole forum...BUT, there are those just like myself whom i would assume don't get a chance to go through the forums except at one time. so they go through the threads and they see what they've missed and they post what they think is relavent. just like myself...late at night there's maybe 6 people on the boards, so you can, and i have, made the whole side bar with "last posted by g222leav" i'm just saying that things are not always as it seems. i've haven't even posted in one whole week cause i've been so busy at work...so if i come in and i post in all the interesting threads in teh last week all at once and add my 2c does that mean i'm neffing? is something wrong? or am i just trying to get caught up in current events and trying to be a part of this forum????

this is sad, i feel. at first i came to G|A for the deals, and one day i clicked on the forums, and i was instantly intrigued with what went on here, and i've been posting ever since. i don't post much in other forums, and i truely like it here. to be honest, i haven't taken advantage of a posted "deal" in over a month, i come here for the people. being to busy with life nowadays doesn't seem to bad if things are going to be so strict around here...

Blu

08-16-2002, 10:10 AM

Ahh, this whole thing is horse****. It sucks. GAM is going to moderate this board to crap. Ban me if you want, I really don't care. I've been on this board longer than almost everyone in this thread (Word to sbp and hapoo). This place used to be fun, we could say just about everything we wanted. Now that there's more money involved, there seems to be a more "corporate" outlook on things. I'm coming up on a milestone post, and I'll post a thread, because that's what you're supposed to do.

hang10wannabe

08-16-2002, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by Blu
Ahh, this whole thing is horse****. It sucks. GAM is going to moderate this board to crap. Ban me if you want, I really don't care. I've been on this board longer than almost everyone in this thread (Word to sbp and hapoo). This place used to be fun, we could say just about everything we wanted. Now that there's more money involved, there seems to be a more "corporate" outlook on things. I'm coming up on a milestone post, and I'll post a thread, because that's what you're supposed to do.

now while i havent been here as long... i think he has a good point and its not coo the the GAM's are not reading or even replying on the matter...:hmm:

hapoo

08-16-2002, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by hang10wannabe

now while i havent been here as long... i think he has a good point and its not coo the the GAM's are not reading or even replying on the matter...:hmm:

I'm sure the GAM has read all the posts. As a mod, they can't not read or at least skim through the thread.

dbax791

08-16-2002, 12:58 PM

OK, I'll weigh in here. I think its a bunch of baloney that DF and Dopey are being singled out for this. If GAM wants to stop neffing/Postcount++, he/she should have shut down the "Word Association" thread, "Keep it Rollin", etc. Heck, Apex himself started the random facts thread, and encouraged the kind of crap they are now "offended" by.

Look, I think everyone here wants to play by the rules, but the rules seem to change randomly. GAM, if you have an idea of what is or is not acceptable...then post it! Everyone here will oblige. Don't shut down threads out of nowhere without warning.

Dopey/DF do post a lot and I'm glad they do. They almost always have good things to contribute, and they keep the boards moving. Without your regulars, the boards will become "stale" and why would I keep coming back if there is nothing interesting to read? Plus they always reply to your posts which make you feel like what you have to contribute is meaningful. If I posted a lot of stuff with no replies, why would I come back here?

Uhh, hint...when I come here I also check your deals page...can you put 2+2 together?

Memo to Apex/GAM...take Marketing 101 and learn how to properly treat your best customers.

mojo

08-16-2002, 06:06 PM

/me checks to see if he's standing on plastic

Got Apex Moderator

08-16-2002, 07:51 PM

Your comments have been read. :)

When getting a high post total becomes so important and all-encompassing that is of concern to us. We are not trying to take away people's fun since the people who post here are greatly appreciated. And it is not just about numbers, whether it be 1,000 posts or 10,000 posts or even 100,000 posts. But its not fair for others to scroll through post after post in threads full of comments and smilies just so a post total is reached. This forum was never meant to be about getting rank and post number. All that was supposed to be secondary and gratitude for posting here. But what has happened instead? For far too long people have been too preoccupied with getting a high post total with this unfortunate event {a race to 10,000} being the latest incident. In the past, warnings have been issued and posts have been docked and that stops this behavior for a while before it starts again. Yes, that is why the top ten link was removed. And yet it still continued even after that. Obviously the message didn't get through.

It is an accomplishment to get that high in post totals, especially when many of the posts have been great contributions to the forums. :) We just don't want that to be the primary reason for posting, since that seems to drive people into frenzies. We would rather have members focus on something more than post number, how to drive it up or pass another person by. This incident has served as a wake up call to start doing so.

After careful consideration a course of action has been decided on:
The 10k rank has been reinstated.
Visible post totals will be removed from the sidebar.
Official celebration threads will be posted for those who feel the need to rejoice in such things.

All my best,

GAM

Showtime

08-16-2002, 07:54 PM

I was reading the forum where GAM laid down the smacketh and i was cracking up at my boys. Dope and Df were going back and forth.
Some might call it neffing, but i call it good fun. This went on for a while, than bamn! No post celebrations, etc. I thought it a little harsh at the time.
I scrolled down some threads and literally saw dopes and fury's sig/ avatars every other second.
This thread was even funnier when I got to a point where rib and dope was posting. To apple or not to apple.
I think that GAM is worried about us using up valuable real estate on the site.
What should be addressed is that they generally have a valid points and most everyone likes the post trolling neffites we know as dopey and dark fury.
Maybe we should have special post counting system with points for deals, advice(tech/hw) and really good off topic/entertainment/etc.
-jel:halo:
ps:10k club, remember sometimes its the journey :P

latingirl

08-16-2002, 08:49 PM

GAM -

That is very gracious of you.

Even though we like to have a little fun (and I believe only fun was the intention of the posters), sometimes we don't realize when or if we are going a little overboard...we are all guilty of that. Thanks for the enlightenment.

God bless,

LG

DoPeY5007

08-16-2002, 11:32 PM

is it just me, or does any one else feel the G|A? forums are going down :(

GraingerGuy

08-17-2002, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by DoPeY5007
is it just me, or does any one else feel the G|A? forums are going down :(

I think it's just that every forum goes through this a few times a year. A HUGE disagreement happens....feelings get hurt...etc, etc. I know it happens at another forum I frequent.

ufcrusher

08-17-2002, 12:38 AM

So this means that people arent going to be able to tell how close they are to hitting the next level. This should make the so called race to 10,000 rather interesting as I really hope that neither DF nor Dopey will take the time to compute their respective post totals every time.

I happen to think that this is a good compromise to what is being perceived as a problem on the forum. I always found it odd to see people who have been on the forum for a lot less time to suddenly have three times the amount of posts. To me, that just seemed like they were trying to gain post counts, especially when it appears that most of their "contributions" are nothing more than a single line that has no relevance to anything that was said before.

Now I am not trying to rag on anyone, or downplay anyones post counts, if you feel that you are making a contribution to the forum, then you probably are. I just think we should all look at how we post, what we post, and try to make GA the best, most friendly forum around.

GraingerGuy

08-17-2002, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by ufcrusher
So this means that people arent going to be able to tell how close they are to hitting the next level. This should make the so called race to 10,000 rather interesting as I really hope that neither DF nor Dopey will take the time to compute their respective post totals every time.

Well....yeah they will.....we are still able to see our posts in our profile dealybob....:) But...I don't care....big deal....:)

GraingerGuy

08-17-2002, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by DarkFury
Well dayuum Grainger... just go and let THAT cat out of the bag. :shifty:

You tryin' to start something again? :2far:

:hehehmm:

Nah....I didn't mean anything by it! Like I said in the post above yours....I could care less about post counts. I just went along with the celebration of attaining a new rank because everyone else did...thought it was a tradition or something. :)

Cheesypuff

08-17-2002, 01:31 AM

Down with GraingerGuy!!!:D

It's bad enough I have to live with him!!!!:P

Merlin

08-17-2002, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by Merlin
I think the fact that this thread is already on its third page says it all. The GAM wants to de-emphasize the importance of post count. Everyone here takes it way too seriously. I think its his (her?) way of pointing out that it really means a lot less than we think. Hell, I think they should turn them off for a month or so so we get a little better perspective on these things. :shrug:

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle :monkey: They actually implemented my suggestion. :king:

:neartears: Someone actually listens to me.

oblongmelon

08-17-2002, 06:04 AM

:confused: how can anyone "celebrate" if they don't know how many posts they have? Oh well.

Jenny

08-17-2002, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by oblongmelon
:confused: how can anyone "celebrate" if they don't know how many posts they have? Oh well.

Ummm...Read above. You can still see your post count by looking at your user cp and other people's post count by looking at their profile.

Ladogaboy

08-17-2002, 10:33 AM

Thank you for the explanation, GAM. I can't say I completely agree, but I do understand... especially with the amount of neffing that has been going on lately.

sbp

08-17-2002, 11:59 AM

Since Mr. dbax791 seems unable or unwilling to comprehend (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=411532#post411532) what was happened, perhaps this will clear his confusion up finally.

Originally posted by dbax791
OK, I'll weigh in here. I think its a bunch of baloney that DF and Dopey are being singled out for this.There was no need to even have a "race" at all. Get caught with the hand in the cookie jar, be prepared to pay the price.

If GAM wants to stop neffing/Postcount++, he/she should have shut down the "Word Association" thread, "Keep it Rollin", etc. Heck, Apex himself started the random facts thread, and encouraged the kind of crap they are now "offended" by.Those threads were started for fun but then some here decide to go crazy.

It wasn't enough for people to have a couple threads like that, they had to start more and have 4. :2far:

Look, I think everyone here wants to play by the rules, but the rules seem to change randomly. GAM, if you have an idea of what is or is not acceptable...then post it! Everyone here will oblige.The rules have been posted for months. People still can't figure out where the rules are. :2far:

People keep bending the rules until enough is enough. Then when held to task, people complain. That is the real problem.

Its that whole type of mentality that is troublesome. Why is post total so important like its the most important thing-its almost like a fixation.

Don't shut down threads out of nowhere without warning.How many times should a warning be gived, especially to those who know better?

Memo to Apex/GAM...take Marketing 101 and learn how to properly treat your best customers. Nice way to be ungrateful. :disa:

Originally posted by Blu
This place used to be fun, we could say just about everything we wanted.Yeah those juvenile potty threads were fun. :rolleyes: Of course many people didn't understand why that wasn't wanted either.

And finally yeah it takes a lot of brainpower to post stupid repeatly.

NuTs62

08-17-2002, 01:04 PM

heh i've just been a spectator at all the discussions regarding the postcount++... as for GAM's comment about a simple smiley response to threads, etc.., well, I don't know bout others, or how everyone perceives it, but I think a simple smile is acknowledgement that it was a good post, and a picture can take place of a thousand words..

many of us have probably been guilty of postcount++ at one time or another, but honestly, if people were REALLY trying to get the highest rank the quickest, you'd notice a one word response to 100 threads.. or a reply to *every* single thread...

but yeah, 'nuf nitpicking at what was said.. i've been more selective as to what i post to recently.. even before this incident.. blahblahblah.. glad to see that there was a compromise of some sorts.. anyways, :wavey:

Jenny

08-17-2002, 01:14 PM

I guess now, I'm confused about what everyone is so upset about.

The only thing that has changed now, after the compromise by GAM & Apex, is that post count is not readily visible. It's not as if post count was taken away...

What is everyone so upset about now?

Merlin

08-17-2002, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by sbp

And finally yeah it takes a lot of brainpower to post stupid repeatly.

:stupid:

Seriously, isn't that the whole point of that smiley? Just to be useed to show solidarity/agreement in a concise manner.

I understand your distain for what you consider ++ threads (damn that word association game!) but sometimes it is fun to be a little goofy.

latingirl

08-17-2002, 08:50 PM

I have a question...

Since we are not "celebrating" or referring to postcounts anymore, can we ALL have our own custom avatar??

I created my own logo that I'd like to put up, and although I've been posting a lot lately, its going to take me forever to get to 2000.

All I'm saying that since it DOESN'T matter (at least not anymore), maybe we shouldn't be limited BECAUSE of our postcounts.

Thanks!

Jenny

08-17-2002, 08:51 PM

That's actually not a bad idea, lg...

I'll pass that along. :)

sbp

08-17-2002, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by latingirl
I have a question...

Since we are not "celebrating" or referring to postcounts anymore, can we ALL have our own custom avatar??

I created my own logo that I'd like to put up, and although I've been posting a lot lately, its going to take me forever to get to 2000.

All I'm saying that since it DOESN'T matter (at least not anymore), maybe we shouldn't be limited BECAUSE of our postcounts.

Thanks! {looks at what GAM said} People can still celebrate post counts if they want.

-------
it will be interesting to see what the 10,000 rank will be. :hmm:

latingirl

08-17-2002, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by sbp
{looks at what GAM said} People can still celebrate post counts if they want.

I'm interested in what the 10,000 rank will be. :hmm:

But since the GAM wants to "downplay" the meaning or relevance of postcounts (which I gather from his/her comment about celebrating SUCH things if you like), I think it would be a good idea not to "reward" them and let us all have our own custom avatar or any avatar we want...with the only stipulation being that we register (which we have to do in order to participate in the forums anyway).

Jus' my little ol' opinion. :)

Cheesypuff

08-17-2002, 09:22 PM

the thing is...I really like the fact that being here at G|A and not being able to have a custom avatar untill 2000 post is a great idea. I've been a memeber since december of 2000, and I've wanted to have a custom avatar ever since they came out with them. And it's going to take me a while till I get there also. And LG...by the speed you're posting, you'll probably get there the same time I will!!!

latingirl

08-17-2002, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by Cheesypuff
the thing is...I really like the fact that being here at G|A and not being able to have a custom avatar untill 2000 post is a great idea. I've been a memeber since december of 2000, and I've wanted to have a custom avatar ever since they came out with them. And it's going to take me a while till I get there also. And LG...by the speed you're posting, you'll probably get there the same time I will!!!

:pfft:

:D

Cheesypuff

08-17-2002, 09:39 PM

Well :pfft: to you also :D

I just thought, since i've waited so long....and this is considered a privilige, there is somthing for others to look forward to for being a member/posting for so long! :)

Napoleon54

08-17-2002, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by latingirl
What exactly is "Neffin'"?

refer to nearly any of cpugeek's posts

hapoo

08-18-2002, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by latingirl

But since the GAM wants to "downplay" the meaning or relevance of postcounts (which I gather from his/her comment about celebrating SUCH things if you like), I think it would be a good idea not to "reward" them and let us all have our own custom avatar or any avatar we want...with the only stipulation being that we register (which we have to do in order to participate in the forums anyway).

Jus' my little ol' opinion. :)

I think the reason theres a 2000 post limit on the avatars is so that the person proves themselves before they get to put up a picture. If they let anyone put up an avatar its possible that people with no postcounts could come by and put up pictures that would cause trouble. But from what i've seen from the GAMs they do sometimes make exceptions, kinda like time off for good behavior, maybe you'll get on their good side :shrug:

DoPeY5007

08-18-2002, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by hapoo

I think the reason theres a 2000 post limit on the avatars is so that the person proves themselves before they get to put up a picture. If they let anyone put up an avatar its possible that people with no postcounts could come by and put up pictures that would cause trouble. But from what i've seen from the GAMs they do sometimes make exceptions, kinda like time off for good behavior, maybe you'll get on their good side :shrug: yeah, that is the way behind it as far as I know, BUT it is the same as putting a pic in your sig, any new person can do that, so waiting for an avatar isn't so bad ;)

latingirl

08-18-2002, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by DoPeY5007
yeah, that is the way behind it as far as I know, BUT it is the same as putting a pic in your sig, any new person can do that, so waiting for an avatar isn't so bad ;)

Hmmm...I like your new badge there Dopey. :D

NuTs62

08-18-2002, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by latingirl

Hmmm...I like your new badge there Dopey. :D

:eek: did i hear that correctly? SHE LIKES YOUR BADGE!! :heh: okay, now that i say that to myself again, it doesn't seem funny.. :hmm:

g222leav

08-18-2002, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by latingirl

Hmmm...I like your new badge there Dopey. :D

badges?...badges?...i got badges...99c

-from the motion picture "bad boys"

Sir_Froggy

08-18-2002, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Merlin

:stupid:

Seriously, isn't that the whole point of that smiley? Just to be useed to show solidarity/agreement in a concise manner.

are we down to smileys now? man it's gone pretty far from the first few 2 pages or so of post count to smileys?

i wonder what the next topic will be :hmm: let us ponder

oh um i just realized that the post counts were gone...does that have something to do with this thread? or is that happening to everyone?

NuTs62

08-18-2002, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Sir_Froggy

are we down to smileys now? man it's gone pretty far from the first few 2 pages or so of post count to smileys?

i wonder what the next topic will be :hmm: let us ponder

oh um i just realized that the post counts were gone...does that have something to do with this thread? or is that happening to everyone?

you must have been on vacation.. :P

yeah, the postcounts have been removed from the side of the posts. But you can still check it in the profile of each user. :)