XBox or Playstation 2

[latingirl]

Which of the 2 do you think is best? Please comment on both hardware and games. I also notice you have to buy an extra "kit" in order to play DVD movies on the Xbox. Although it's $30, Microsoft don't give you nothin for free.

[coleslaw]

*cough*GameCube*cough*



:D

[jujubees]

Originally posted by coleslaw
*cough*GameCube*cough*:stupid:

[latingirl]

Originally posted by coleslaw
*cough*GameCube*cough*



:D

Aight...but why is it better??

[CornMonkey]

i vote gamecube too...wait, i mean i vote option 3.

to me, gamecube games are, plain and simple, more fun. playstation and xbox may have games that LOOK better but gamecube is more of a party machine. i get bored of 1 player games rather quickly so it's great to have a system where friends can join in on the fun.

but then again, i think online gaming can/will change my rationale.

[coleslaw]

Originally posted by latingirl
Aight...but why is it better?? A system is only as good as its games. You can't deny the triumvirate of Mario, Metroid and Zelda. Throw in Super Monkey Ball, Super Smash Brothers Melee and Mario Party 4 and you've got yourself a party in a cube! :P

[latingirl]

The reason I'm attracted to Playstation is because they SEEM to have more tactical-military/secret mission type games (I don't know why, but I love playing those). But I haven't played the others.

Does gamecube have games like Metal Gear Solid and Medal of Honor?

[coleslaw]

Originally posted by latingirl
Does gamecube have games like Metal Gear Solid and Medal of Honor? Medal of Honor: Frontline is scheduled for a November 18 GameCube release - same day as Metroid Prime!

Metal Gear Solid was a PS2-exclusive title, however.

[jujubees]

Originally posted by latingirl
The reason I'm attracted to Playstation is because they SEEM to have more tactical-military/secret mission type games (I don't know why, but I love playing those). But I haven't played the others.If you want lots of tactical-military/secret mission games, maybe you should hold off on the consoles and upgrade your PC graphics card instead. You won't have to worry about which console has which game series. Just a thought. :)

My bf is forever playing war-type games on his comp ... CounterStrike, Half Life, Medal of Honor, Battlefield 1942, No One Lives Forever 2, Black Hawk Down, America's Army Recon, Soldiers Of Anarchy, Sudden Strike 2, WW2 Frontline Attack, ad nauseum. Enough war games for ya?

I like adventure games so I'm into the GameCube for Resident Evil, Eternal Darkness, and Luigi's Mansion, of course. :P

[hapoo]

I have an xbox, and its pretty cool. I LOVE mario though so I can't say the gamecube is a bad choice. Sony has a lot of games but i've never really been a fan of the playstation for some reason :shrug:

[Blitz]

PC 4 ever!

Am I the only one who sees that consoles are turning into mini computers now a days? Graphics, games, they've all been done already on the computer while console is catching up. Internet games on Halo! Wow! We have the net already :P (I really do wish Halo came out for pc and Bungee didnt sell out to Microsoft, was supposed to be able to support 64 people if I remember correctly..in the old days)

My friend is totally into consoles, he spent what..maybe near $900 on ps2, xbox, and gamecube, with accesories. Thats a top end PC there, with extra money for better games than a console could ever offer.

Pc rules, everyone knows it...if you deny it then you probly have a p2 with a vodoo 2000 or something w/ 56k modem:bigmouth:


p.s. you can't really redline a console can yah? :P

[hapoo]

I don't play games much, but when i do its mostly on the computer as well. However consoles have one huge advantage... you don't need to upgrade every 6 months to play a game. Sure eye candy is great, but game content is more important.

[gear02]

It's all about the games. Period. There's not much difference between each console, other than the PS2 being older. By the way, Microsoft has a $30 rebate for the DVD kit, making it free. http://www.xbox.com/rebate/default.htm

The cube has the traditional Nintendo games, Zelda, Mario, etc. They do have really fun multiplayer games (see Mario Party 4[b/]) along with some great adventure games ([b]Eternal Darkness, Res Evil remakes). While people point and laugh at the Cube being a kiddie toy, it's actually a great machine with a great library.

The PS2 is old technology, but it has one of the best game libraries available for every kind of game. From Madden to Grand Theft Auto 3, Final Fantasy X to Metal Gear Solid 2. While a lot of games that appear on the PS2 will appear on the other consoles, the best thing about the PS2 is the exclusive games it will be getting in the next 6 months. These games include the Final Fantasy Games (so far, though it might appear somewhere else), Xenosaga, Kingdom Hearts, and much more.

The Xbox is the best technology out there, but it's exclusive library is fairly bad, though it will get better. MechAssault and Panzer Dragoon Orta are just the two that are highly anticipated. The games that are on all three consoles will look the best on the Xbox, and with the hard drive, you don't need a memory card.

If you play a lot of games that are available on all three consoles, then get an Xbox. If you're interested in those exclusive games on the PS2, then get that. If you like the Nintendo exclusive games, then get the cube. It all depends on what games you like. However, there is no "best" console.

And those guys who say PC gaming is the best. There are a lot of games that you can't play on the PC that are on consoles and are must plays for any gamer (Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Mario Sunshine). Conversely, there are games on the PC that you can't (or shouldn't) play on consoles. Halo, though one of the best games on the Xbox, is one of those games I will not touch until it hits the PC. Basically, don't think that being a PC gamer makes you superior to console gamers. I'm both and I think if you love games you have to be both. The same goes for console gamers.

But back to the issue at hand, you want tactical games? Well, the PS2 currently has Metal Gear Solid2, and MGS2 Substance later on. Also, they have SOCOM which looks to be the console version of Counterstrike and every reviewer is raving about it. You also have Medal of Honor Frontline, but that's more of a FPS than a tactical game. You also have access to all those PSOne tactical games, but I'm not going into those. The Xbox will have MGS2 Substance later this year, but they will also have Splinter Cell. Xbox will also have Frontline. The Cube has Frontline, but I think that's about it. The Cube is lacking in this genre.

The PC, however, is loaded. It has Counterstrike and a lot more SWAT/SEAL team type games. No MGS2 type games though. I'll let Blitz go into more of these kinds of games.

So it's a toss between the Xbox and the PS2. Exactly what do you mean by tactical-military/secret mission type games?

[gear02]

Btw sorry for the long winded post about consoles...

Jujubees has a great list of tactical first person shooters on the PC. If you like that kind of game, then I guess the PC it is...

[gear02]

Originally posted by Blitz
PC 4 ever!

Am I the only one who sees that consoles are turning into mini computers now a days? Graphics, games, they've all been done already on the computer while console is catching up. Internet games on Halo! Wow! We have the net already :P (I really do wish Halo came out for pc and Bungee didnt sell out to Microsoft, was supposed to be able to support 64 people if I remember correctly..in the old days)



Though I agree on Halo and Bungie being utter sellouts, I have to disagree on the rest. PCs are great for remote multiplayer games and single player games, but for party or multiplayer games with other people who are actually beside you then consoles rule in that aspect. PLUS there are a lot of games on the console that are much better than some of the tripe on the PC. However, that statement is true the other way.

Like I said in my other post. Don't think consoles are beneath you in some way. In some aspects, PCs are superior, in others consoles are superior, but when it comes to gaming, it's just about the game and which platform its on.

[Hiro]

PlayStation 2.

[SonyGuy]

PlayStation 2.

:stupid:


Playstation has the contract with SquareSoft who has a huge following. Nintendo used to have one with Square but it got messed up. I love the Final Fantasy series as well as a ton of other games and that's why I like Playstation better. Plus, just look at my name... lol. My second choice is Gamecube. Nintendo has been in the business for a long time and they know how to make a console. :)

[Tommy Boomfiger]

sonyguy chooses sony, what a suprise.:P

my favorite is also sony, i like thier current selection of games and thier controller is probably the best ever created. unfortunately i havent had time to play enough GC, but thier games look absolutely amazing. i havent played anything on xbox that ive been exstatic about, but that has a lot to do with thier sucky control. you can port a great ps2 game to xbox and the controller will screw everything up.

on a side note, sony may give you the dvd player free, but if you really want to watch movies you should buy the sony remote, which will set you back at the most $20. it gives you so many more features than any other remote ive seen except controller passthrough :(.

[hapoo]

has anyone played halo???
i was though an fps would suck without a keyboard/mouse but damn halo is a good game! After all these months its the game i go back to more often. The controls are very good and effective.

[latingirl]

Originally posted by gear02
Exactly what do you mean by tactical-military/secret mission type games?

Wow, thanks for the information.

I mean the games that you mentioned (I couldn't find any other description to specify).

I may also go the PC route in the future, maybe. I don't know if I'd get that much into it though. Plus, I played Tomb Raider on my PC and I like using a controller better, but that's just me. I just want to be able to get away from the computer when I'm playing my games (I'm on it so much already and my chair makes my booty hurt sometimes :D ), at least I can relax on the couch in front of my TV with a console.

[gear02]

btw if anyone plans on getting an Xbox, get the S controller. The normal one sucks hard, but the S controller fits well in your hand and is pretty good.

[Cantacuzene]

Originally posted by hapoo
However consoles have one huge advantage... you don't need to upgrade every 6 months to play a game. Sure eye candy is great, but game content is more important.

Very few pc gamers upgrade every 6 months. The best part about pcs are one from a year ago can still play the newest games. You may not get full screen antialiasing, buit you dont get that with xbox either. I think a pc has a much longer "cutting edge gaming" life than a console.

[Tommy Boomfiger]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
Very few pc gamers upgrade every 6 months. The best part about pcs are one from a year ago can still play the newest games. You may not get full screen antialiasing, buit you dont get that with xbox either. I think a pc has a much longer "cutting edge gaming" life than a console. i dont understand what you are saying. you can play the newest console games a year after the console comes out. also the last i checked, xbox does play games in fsaa. the downside to console is that there is usually a performance ceiling and you can play games forever. for example i can still play super mario bros., which was made in 1984, today. but if i try to play a dos game it would be very hard without lots and lots of configuring and troubleshooting and there is still a chance of not getting it to work.

another downside of pc gaming is standization, some games work better with some hardware and others cause problems. consoles, all games will work with the hardware provided.

i still prefer pc gaming though, especially because games can be very easily modded and there are whole mod scenes dedicated to certain games. that really cant be done on console games, and if it can it requires special hardware (modchips and possibly a dvd burner)

[Cantacuzene]

What I meant was consoles get old, whereas even an older pc can play the newest games. 2 years from now a ps2 wont be able to play the newest cutting edge games, but a two year old pc will.

[SnowSurfer]

What I meant was consoles get old, whereas even an older pc can play the newest games. 2 years from now a ps2 wont be able to play the newest cutting edge games, but a two year old pc will.

yea uh..prob cause another console will be out :) lol but i voted ps2 cause ps2 rules and i would never give more money to M$. i will prob end up getting a gamecube when they get metroid and zelda and perfect dark 2 but other than that...its...kinda kiddy for my tastes. i play alot of unreal tournament its good but i cant wait for ut2003...(for pc).

[Tommy Boomfiger]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
What I meant was consoles get old, whereas even an older pc can play the newest games. 2 years from now a ps2 wont be able to play the newest cutting edge games, but a two year old pc will. id have to disagree with you slightly. two years is a long time in gaming technologies. 2 years for a console is going to be about the same for a pc especially since new consoles are essentially pc's with thier own os. both are going to play the latest and greatest games but not as good as the newest hardware to play. but on the other hand the next popular pc os (windows) might not support a 2 year old game. i have games which are less than that which will play on 98 but wont play on 2k or xp

[Merlin]

Old school baby,

Atari!

[sleepminded]

sega genesis all the way !!!

darn all you sophisticated console people...i likem both ^^

[hapoo]

Originally posted by SnowSurfer


yea uh..prob cause another console will be out :) lol but i voted ps2 cause ps2 rules and i would never give more money to M$.


Actually your taking money from MS by buying an Xbox.

[sbp]

Originally posted by SnowSurfer
yea uh..prob cause another console will be out :) lol but i voted ps2 cause ps2 rules and i would never give more money to M$. i will prob end up getting a gamecube when they get metroid and zelda and perfect dark 2 but other than that...its...kinda kiddy for my tastes. i play alot of unreal tournament its good but i cant wait for ut2003...(for pc). So you don't want to give your money to Microsoft, yet you will give your money to another big corporation. http://home.earthlink.net/~sbp777/smilies/rolleye.gif Only difference is Sony doesn't get ragged on like Microsoft does.

As for the question at hand:
PC all the way

Gamecube is geared more towards kids

[gear02]

Yeah Sony is actually pretty bad. They do the same bad things as Microsoft, but they have a good image. They shove things down the consumer's throat like Memory Sticks and mini discs which they wouldn't let die until people actually were forced to use them. Minidiscs have been out for about ten years (correct me if I'm wrong) and even though it hasn't caught on, they keep pushing it.

Memory sticks came out when flash memory was popular, and when compact flash took hold, they still kept on pushing it.

Now Sony is making it's own DVDR standard and a different blue laser DVD standard than the rest of the market (again, correct me if i'm wrong)

Sony is actually evil, but they've done a better job at marketing it's image than Microsoft.

[Tommy Boomfiger]

Originally posted by coleslaw
Metal Gear Solid was a PS2-exclusive title, however. actually Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance is supposed to come out on xbox. its supposed to be the same game but you have a choice to play the whole game as snake. its also going to have some bonus minigames like a mgs version of tony hawk pro skater.

[Tommy Boomfiger]

Originally posted by gear02
Now Sony is making it's own DVDR standard and a different blue laser DVD standard than the rest of the market (again, correct me if i'm wrong)im not sure about this, but the blue laser isnt sonys own standard, but its being developed by more than just sony.

[latingirl]

Originally posted by Tommy Boomfiger
actually Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance is supposed to come out on xbox. its supposed to be the same game but you have a choice to play the whole game as snake. its also going to have some bonus minigames like a mgs version of tony hawk pro skater.

I like the game, but it's not going to go through any crappy boring sappy dialogue like the first one is it?? That's what I hate about Final Fantasy (duck), but I have only played IV.

[Tommy Boomfiger]

Originally posted by latingirl
I like the game, but it's not going to go through any crappy boring sappy dialogue like the first one is it??if youre talking about mgs2 for ps2? yeah, the story got long and really annoying. from what i hear, they are cutting some of that out. i guess thats where they are getting room for the bonus materials. thats probably also why they are putting snake into the whole game. either that or they would have to rewrite half the story.

[gear02]

Originally posted by Tommy Boomfiger
im not sure about this, but the blue laser isnt sonys own standard, but its being developed by more than just sony.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/BUSINESS/asia/08/25/toshiba.blue.dvd.reut/

I was thinking about Toshiba and NEC. My fault, but Sony is still evil...

[gear02]

Originally posted by Tommy Boomfiger
actually Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance is supposed to come out on xbox. its supposed to be the same game but you have a choice to play the whole game as snake. its also going to have some bonus minigames like a mgs version of tony hawk pro skater.

I believe if you read further down, I mention MGS2 Substance on the PS2 and Xbox.

Also, I believe that when they say you can play Snake on Raiden's level and vice versa, it's a feature, not a change in story line. I do remember they adding new story elements to the game however.

I don't think the dialogue in MGS2 was that bad. It could be much worse (see Mario Sunshine). The story was long, and even confusing. But it wasn't too annoying.

Oh and I believe MGS2 will have a giant new set of VR missions.

[latingirl]

Originally posted by gear02


I believe if you read further down, I mention MGS2 Substance on the PS2 and Xbox.

Also, I believe that when they say you can play Snake on Raiden's level and vice versa, it's a feature, not a change in story line. I do remember they adding new story elements to the game however.

I don't think the dialogue in MGS2 was that bad. It could be much worse (see Mario Sunshine). The story was long, and even confusing. But it wasn't too annoying.

Oh and I believe MGS2 will have a giant new set of VR missions.

You know what...I'm thinking of Syphon Filter (with the sappy dialog) not metal gear solid. My baaaaddd! :o

[Tommy Boomfiger]

Originally posted by gear02
I don't think the dialogue in MGS2 was that bad. It could be much worse (see Mario Sunshine). The story was long, and even confusing. But it wasn't too annoying. when i play mgs2 and watch all the cut scenes it seems like im watching a movie and playing a game in between. but if you dont watch them, you miss important parts of the game, clues and facts you need to know to finish an objective which cant always be found out from codec hints. and when you get to the part of the game where you find out who the colonel and raidens girlfriend (i forgot her name) really are it gets even more annoying.

[Tommy Boomfiger]

sorry gear, i guess i got to skimming that long post about halfway though and i missed where you posted that. i didnt realize that it was coming out on ps2 and pc also.

according to gamepro sept 02, hideo kojima said mgs2 for ps2 wasnt finished when it was released. there should be alternate missions for the tanker and plant missions and over 200 vr missions. also snake will be playable in the plant level with "his own distinct series of events".

in september the game definately wasnt finished and it probably still isnt. full reviews will probably be coming out in the next 2 months

[gear02]

Originally posted by Tommy Boomfiger
sorry gear, i guess i got to skimming that long post about halfway though and i missed where you posted that. i didnt realize that it was coming out on ps2 and pc also.

according to gamepro sept 02, hideo kojima said mgs2 for ps2 wasnt finished when it was released. there should be alternate missions for the tanker and plant missions and over 200 vr missions. also snake will be playable in the plant level with "his own distinct series of events".

in september the game definately wasnt finished and it probably still isnt. full reviews will probably be coming out in the next 2 months

That's alright. Btw can you recap the MGS2 story. I got lost near the end as it got really damn strange...

[Jihforce]

Most good games are on the PS2. The problem with that game system is that its very slow when it comes to loading time. Since it doesn't come with a lot of prepackaged hardware, you will end up play a lot for you memory cards, 4 player adapters or maybe a modem for online play. Also, its DVD player is out of date. The quality isn't that good. From what I've noticed. The graphics on the PS2 are slightly behind those of the Xbox and gamecube. Gamecube as mentioned before is high on the party machine and fun factor. It is of course geared towards a younger crowd though. Most of their games are cartoony compared to those of the PS2 and Xbox.
The xbox would be my game system of choice if I were to get one. And I might be in the near future. Its got good hardware, lots of potential, its fast. Comes with lots of standard hardware that PS2 doesn't. DVD player is better. The biggest problem with it is that not many quality games are out for it. The system is about 1 year old now yet I can't even pick more than 10 games worth playing. But based on potential alone, its worth getting.

[latingirl]

Originally posted by Jihforce
The xbox would be my game system of choice if I were to get one. And I might be in the near future. Its got good hardware, lots of potential, its fast. Comes with lots of standard hardware that PS2 doesn't. DVD player is better. The biggest problem with it is that not many quality games are out for it. The system is about 1 year old now yet I can't even pick more than 10 games worth playing. But based on potential alone, its worth getting.

But then, by the times the choices of games start picking up, it will be after they come out with a new model.

[gear02]

Originally posted by latingirl


But then, by the times the choices of games start picking up, it will be after they come out with a new model.

Not really, there's a huge amount of Xbox only games that are coming out by the end of this year. MechAssault, Panzer Dragoon, ..., some others...meh I forget, but those two should be worth something.

Besides, the Xbox is only good for the games that are available on all platforms, if you want them to look the best. Other than that, your best bet I guess is the PS2...

[latingirl]

Originally posted by gear02

your best bet I guess is the PS2...

For me...it's looking like that will be the one.

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by latingirl


For me...it's looking like that will be the one.

Just hope PS3 doesn't come out soon :P

[Tommy Boomfiger]

Originally posted by gear02
That's alright. Btw can you recap the MGS2 story. I got lost near the end as it got really damn strange... its been so long, i dont really remember it all that well. checkout MGS2 @ gamefaqs.com (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/game/28489.html). there is a plot summary and maybe some walkthroughs will help you piece the story together.

[latingirl]

Originally posted by Jihforce


Just hope PS3 doesn't come out soon :P

Huh, that's what I'M sayin'!! ;)

[psycho-]

I like buying games for my PS2(like how I like buying anime). Now actually playing them is another thing. Most games I own I haven't touched yet.

The only game i really touch are car games (like GTA 3, GT3, WRC, etc)

[latingirl]

Originally posted by psycho-
I like buying games for my PS2(like how I like buying anime). Now actually playing them is another thing. Most games I own I haven't touched yet.

The only game i really touch are car games (like GTA 3, GT3, WRC, etc)

Well, shoot...if you ain't using them, you can pass them along my way. My address is....



um, I'll PM you...

:D

[Tommy Boomfiger]

Originally posted by Jihforce


Just hope PS3 doesn't come out soon :P rumor has it that the ps3 project is only in its conceptual stages still. thats my latest info. theyre not sure on the what the system will be. there is a chance that it may be a grid type system where idle clock cycles will be shared. kinda like the seti@home project. while it wont be required, broadband will make your system insane. the objective is to make a system that will not follow the tech curve. i forgot what the name is, something about computing speed doubling every 18 months or something. basically they want to make something thats not only going to beat the competitors, but blow them away. thats a rumor, dont quote.

[Tommy Boomfiger]

Originally posted by latingirl


Well, shoot...if you ain't using them, you can pass them along my way. My address is....



um, I'll PM you...

:D good idea, you wouldnt want hang10 showing up at your doorstep tommorow morning :P

[psycho-]

You're making me think I really ought to inventory all the junk I have. I am inundated with DVDs and Video games that I don't even touch.

[gear02]

Originally posted by Tommy Boomfiger
rumor has it that the ps3 project is only in its conceptual stages still. thats my latest info. theyre not sure on the what the system will be. there is a chance that it may be a grid type system where idle clock cycles will be shared. kinda like the seti@home project. while it wont be required, broadband will make your system insane. the objective is to make a system that will not follow the tech curve. i forgot what the name is, something about computing speed doubling every 18 months or something. basically they want to make something thats not only going to beat the competitors, but blow them away. thats a rumor, dont quote.

I heard the same thing. I believe they're just coming up with technical designs and specs.

The thing about doubling every 18 months is called Moore's law (i believe). In any case, it's often misquoted as speed doubling every 18 months, when in fact it's the number of transistors doubling every 18 months.

[latingirl]

Originally posted by Tommy Boomfiger
rumor has it that the ps3 project is only in its conceptual stages still. thats my latest info. theyre not sure on the what the system will be. there is a chance that it may be a grid type system where idle clock cycles will be shared. kinda like the seti@home project. while it wont be required, broadband will make your system insane. the objective is to make a system that will not follow the tech curve. i forgot what the name is, something about computing speed doubling every 18 months or something. basically they want to make something thats not only going to beat the competitors, but blow them away. thats a rumor, dont quote.

In english, please, in english...

[latingirl]

Originally posted by psycho-
You're making me think I really ought to inventory all the junk I have. I am inundated with DVDs and Video games that I don't even touch.

Your junk is my treasure. :P

[Blitz]

Sorry my net has been down...

Sony-
If you don't think their bad...well think about this. THEY are the ones who created Evercrack or formally Everquest, thats a bad word :P I used to play it, cant wait till the second one comes out..but Shadowbane will rule all of them :hmm:

Pc 4 ever-
Yes I agree that if you want to party real fast or what not, consoles are great...but ask who is it? Kfc? Who has a network party! Nothing is like going to a network party with 20+ to 64? people and playing Battlefield 1942, Warcraft 3, Quake 3, Counter Strike, or Soldat?:P Really if you want a party, pc is the way to go. And don't complaing about moving your computer, etc, cause its not all that bad you lazy bums. I love consoles, and I agree they are great...just plug and play..nice games..but pc have nice games too :heh:

Also..if you look in the past, almost every console reinvents themselves with a newer version every year or two..having you end up paying more for that newer console. I just stick emulators on the computer...I bet there are ones for X box and ps2 already, just gota look in the right places and don't ask me cause I wont tell you where to look.

Also, anyone want to play warcraft 3? I just joined my friends clan, the notorious " X clan ", also on starcraft...best clan ever on SC and will be on WC. Im an elite now :eek: *pulls out his sword*

[gear02]

Originally posted by latingirl


In english, please, in english...

It's going to be mighty powerful (duh, since it's three years away) and it will be more than a game and dvd machine.

btw blitz...you have tweak as your avatar...how does that fit? eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep!

Tweak rocks!