Women @ Augusta

[Blu]

So what do you think. Should Augusta let women in?

I don't think they should. Augusta is a private club, actually, it's the private club. This is a place that told Bill Gates to take a hike when he requested a membership. I believe that Augusta has uner 400 members, all men. It's been that way forever, why should it change now? I really think it's terrible that this women's group has nothing better to do than to pester the club to allow women. The club has apparently discussed allowing a few women to join, but decided not to during the approval process of the membership. I'm all for equality, but I don't think this place is breaking any rules...

Blu

[topane]

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GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN AND MAKE ME SOME PIE!!!
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[nickel]

Originally posted by Blu
So what do you think. Should Augusta let women in?

I don't think they should. Augusta is a private club, actually, it's the private club. This is a place that told Bill Gates to take a hike when he requested a membership. I believe that Augusta has uner 400 members, all men. It's been that way forever, why should it change now? I really think it's terrible that this women's group has nothing better to do than to pester the club to allow women. The club has apparently discussed allowing a few women to join, but decided not to during the approval process of the membership. I'm all for equality, but I don't think this place is breaking any rules...

Blu

they are probably afraid of they would show them up. :D
i say get outta the 50's.

[attgig]

I'm with Blu....
it is a private club. just because it's on tv doesn't mean that the public has a say in the functions of the club.
it's a grown man's treehouse club - NO GIRLS, GEEKS, or COOTIES ALLOWED. let them play in their treehouse.

[nickel]

grown men, bah, it's "good ole boys" that want to play behind their wife's backs.

[topane]

Originally posted by nickelback
grown men, bah, it's "good ole boys" that want to play behind their wife's backs. Nothing wrong with that. The women could start their own club if it bothers them so much.

[nickel]

Originally posted by topane
Nothing wrong with that. The women could start their own club if it bothers them so much.

doesn't really bother me i just think it's old times and they need to get with today's program.

[Jenny]

I disagree with NB.

We have Girl Scouts, which is a girl's only club, Boy Scouts, which is a boy's only club.

I wouldn't have a problem if Scott wanted to join a men's only club, because I trust him. And I know that if I wanted to join a women's only club, he would trust me and not worry about me.

I say let 'em be. As long as they go home every night to their wife, who cares that they hang out exclusively with men at this club?

[nickel]

although i respect your opinion jen, i don't agree.
once we weren't worthy to vote either. and how about the first woman astronaut or supreme court judge for example. they had to bust into "men's groups", too. although this isn't exactly the same as the Augusta issue, it is the basis for it.

[Showtime]

GOLF=Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden

got that from OB's list or someones list of little known facts.

so :pfft:

-jel:P

[nickel]

you think woman can't play golf? you should see me hit the ball. :D

[Nanotech9]

NB... its just like any other club.

Motorcycle clubs dont allow cars in them
boat clubs down allow airplanes in them
dog clubs dont allow cats in them
Miata clubs dont allow BMW's in them
Porsche clubs dont allow BMW's, or Miatas, or anything else in them...
Mens clubs dont allow women in them
and Womens clubs dont allow Men in them.

not that hard to comprehend now is it?

[Kim]

Not that I would ever want to join a men only club, but where do we draw the line? Either women have the same rights as men or they don't. There should be no exceptions, in my opinion.

[nickel]

NB... its just like any other club.

Motorcycle clubs dont allow cars in them
boat clubs down allow airplanes in them
dog clubs dont allow cats in them
Miata clubs dont allow BMW's in them
Porsche clubs dont allow BMW's, or Miatas, or anything else in them...
Mens clubs dont allow women in them
and Womens clubs dont allow Men in them.

not that hard to comprehend now is it?


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on the contrary, there have been men doing similar things to get into women's clubs.

i don't think it is exactly like comparing boats and airplanes :P
maybe more like lions to lionesses. we are in the same class.

[jase71]

Hmmm... a club full of crotchety old rich men in bad pants and white shoes, playing the only game older and more boring than they are.

Guess I'm failing to see why anyone would want to join, male or female. Kinda like lining up in eager anticipation for a full body cavity search, I think.

[nickel]

i personally wouldn't want to join, but if some old crotchety women in ugly skirts and white shoes want to, then sobeit.

[Jenny]

Originally posted by nickelback
although i respect your opinion jen, i don't agree.
once we weren't worthy to vote either. and how about the first woman astronaut or supreme court judge for example. they had to bust into "men's groups", too. although this isn't exactly the same as the Augusta issue, it is the basis for it.


Yeah, I know what you are saying. I guess my thoughts on that are they are extremely different. The other things are of great importance to women as a whole. The Augusta thing, the club, eh, even if women were allowed to join, how would that benefit women as a whole, or even women individually? I don't see any benefit to it, other than the attitude of, "What you have, I should get just because I'm a woman." Eh, that can lead onto a whole nother topic that I REALLY don't want to bring up. lol hahaha

[Blu]

Originally posted by Kim
Not that I would ever want to join a men only club, but where do we draw the line? Either women have the same rights as men or they don't. There should be no exceptions, in my opinion.

They do have the same rights. Any woman in the USA can open a women's only club, and there are many in existance. So long as it's a private club, you can restrict your membership however you see fit. If it's a club for people named Earl, and they have a really cool party every year for all the Earl's in the world, do I have a right to get bent out of shape b/c they won't let me in?

[Kim]

Now say I'm Earl, but I'm gay...Earl's clubs can't keep me from joining. Why should they be able to keep me out just because I am not a man?


I wish I wasn't doped up on nyquil, I could argue so much more effectively if I could get my thoughts straight. ;)

[DankNstickY]

Originally posted by jase71
Hmmm... a club full of crotchety old rich men in bad pants and white shoes, playing the only game older and more boring than they are.

Guess I'm failing to see why anyone would want to join, male or female. Kinda like lining up in eager anticipation for a full body cavity search, I think.

tiger woods isn't old. :hmm:

[Blu]

Originally posted by Kim
Now say I'm Earl, but I'm gay...Earl's clubs can't keep me from joining. Why should they be able to keep me out just because I am not a man?


I wish I wasn't doped up on nyquil, I could argue so much more effectively if I could get my thoughts straight. ;)

Well, they can stop you from joining, and if that were the case, then you could freely start a "Gay Earl's" club, and do so w/o a problem from the Straight Earl club. The important part of the conversation should not be about equality, that's not why they don't let women into Augusta, I think the conversation should be directed towards that fool of an organization that is trying their hardest to screw up the masters. That's stupid. You'd think that they'd have more important things to worry about than GOLF!

[jase71]

Originally posted by DankNstickY


tiger woods isn't old. :hmm:

No... but I'd venture to say that the vast majority of the club members are.

[attgig]

$.05back & kim....I understand your thing about voting, and all the womens rights that women have suffered to acheive....
HOWEVER
there IS a line.

public vs private. anything public - (schools, military, voting, public office) is and should be open to both sexes without discrimination.

however, when a club is privately owned and operated - they should not be subject to outside opinion and or judgement. There is a line. so, if the people inside the group don't want to "get with today's program", that's their perogative.

and kim, about earl being gay - did he come out of the closet? :P
anyways - if the rules to earl's club says that it's a men's only club, then yeah, the gay dude should be let in.
unless rules already exist that it's a straight man's group. :shrug:
of course that'll be attacked by all the gay groups out there as being messed up and blah blah blah....
but by principle - if the rules already existed - the rules should stand. when the club changes rules because of certain people - then...blah.
(of course it all depends what you're being discriminated for)

[DankNstickY]

Originally posted by jase71


No... but I'd venture to say that the vast majority of the club members are.

eh... true.

[Blu]

Originally posted by DankNstickY


tiger woods isn't old. :hmm:


But I don't think he's a member either...

[ribitch]

thisis one of those instances where you need to think before you apply. Its almost like a black man trying to join the KKK.

Leave the club the way it is.

[nickel]

Originally posted by ribitch
thisis one of those instances where you need to think before you apply. Its almost like a black man trying to join the KKK.

Leave the club the way it is.

hold up. it is no way the same as a black man trying to join the KKK. come on :hmm:

[ribitch]

Originally posted by nickelback


hold up. it is no way the same as a black man trying to join the KKK. come on :hmm:

men forming a "club" to do something they all like to do in common. Hate a group, or play golf.

"Club" with restrictions to membership. Color/religion or gender.

both "clubs" follow their time tested tradition. They tradition may not be PC or moral, but it is the groups tradition. What if i compared it to a white man joining the NAACP? Same type of situation, only difference is racism isnt a factor.

Same goes for the boy scouts and girl scouts. Females can build their own course with their own rules and own supporters money. I think that females try to do things like this to get themselves attention and to cause ****

[nickel]

*yawn* :P

we have a difference of opinion. i won't say yours is wrong.

[raimin]

i don't really see the problem with this club. Women are allowed to play there. They are just not allowed to join. Many other courses, do not even allow women to play. This millionaire female just wants her 15 minutes. She is now going after the sponsors of the master tournament. Come on, give me a break.

[Merlin]

Originally posted by the jello is jigglin
GOLF=Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden


I heard that one on the links a couple of months ago. Thought it was pretty funny. And so did the women in our group, who happened to, like everyone else :( , shoot better than me.

[Blu]

Originally posted by ribitch


men forming a "club" to do something they all like to do in common. Hate a group, or play golf.

"Club" with restrictions to membership. Color/religion or gender.

both "clubs" follow their time tested tradition. They tradition may not be PC or moral, but it is the groups tradition. What if i compared it to a white man joining the NAACP? Same type of situation, only difference is racism isnt a factor.

Same goes for the boy scouts and girl scouts. Females can build their own course with their own rules and own supporters money. I think that females try to do things like this to get themselves attention and to cause ****

I like macs, you like macs, but you sir are wrong. A black man joining the KKK is nothing like a woman joining Augusta. One of the KKK's goals is to hate and severely discriminate against blacks. Augusta doesn't exist to hate and discriminate agains women...

[Nanotech9]

hey NB... heres one for you.

in town, we have a WOMENS ONLY fitness and health club.

how about if i want to get in and scope out all the hot chicks in their tights and stare at some boobies bouncing up and down during the aerobics session?

(i'm not saying i want to do that, but lets pretend i do)... you're saying that its wrong for men to have a mens only club, so the same should apply to women, ad they shouldnt have a womens only club, and i should be allowed in....

i'm VERY curious to see you opinion on this so far.

now, to explain why there is a womens only fitness club here in town... well, apparently women feel more comfortable excercising around women only. Its a legit reason, and even if there wasn't a legit reason, i'de still say they have a right to their womens only club.

[Cantacuzene]

Originally posted by DarkFury

as KKK members join for the express purpose to oppose (i.e. hate) Black people.


Hey, thats offensive. The KKK hate way more people than just blacks. Dont forget Communists, Jews, Catholics, Mormons, Italians, Greeks, Irish, hispanics, most other white people, most other non-white people, Russians, asians, Anglicans, Gypsies, Armenians, the list goes on...

They are an equal opportunity hate group, prolly the last one left that hates EVERYBODY. Most new hate groups usually pick one or two, the bad old Klan still hate everybody. :P

[ribitch]

ok, i admit the kkk was a bad idea, but i needed something to catch peoples attention.

the health club was a great example though.

I had never hard or have never seen a whitre member of the NAACP. Sorry DF i didnt know it was ok

[latingirl]

Originally posted by DarkFury
Hopefully your foot has chocolate on it to make it taste better. :2far:


Oooowwwwhhh!!! Snap...I gotta remember THAT one!!!

As stated above...public vs. private. If its a private club, they should be able to allow whoever they want.

I wouldn't want to join thier nasty ol' club anyway!! :D

[ufcrusher]

There is a right of freedom of association and there is the converse right of the freedom of non-association. So long as it is a private club, that has a private function, that does not perform a traditional government function (as in state action) or is a common carrier, they are free to discriminate.

There are plenty of cases on this matter, including one that involved a black man being refused service from a Moose lodge. He tried to argue that because there was a liquor license, there was state action...he lost.

For the same reason why Apex can ban anyone of us from here, they can keep anyone that they dont want from their club.

[sbp]

Its okay for women to have private clubs but damn if men have private clubs. :rolleyes:

Get over it already!

[Merlin]

Originally posted by Nanotech9
...scope out all the hot chicks in their tights...
...boobies bouncing up and down ...

i'm not saying i want to do that

Right, sure you don't :P

[Merlin]

Everyone keeps bringing up the private club issue but that arguement might have a slight hole in it. If I own a private company I can't get away with not hiring women. So how is this different? I think Agusta National should open it up to whomever they want or don't want. Just trying to see all sides of the issue.

[ribitch]

Originally posted by sbp
Its okay for women to have private clubs but damn if men have private clubs. :rolleyes:

Get over it already!

damn straight!!!!!

[Blu]

Originally posted by Merlin
Everyone keeps bringing up the private club issue but that arguement might have a slight hole in it. If I own a private company I can't get away with not hiring women. So how is this different? I think Agusta National should open it up to whomever they want or don't want. Just trying to see all sides of the issue.

Well, the difference there is that you would be paying someone for services rendered. If you had a client that you didn't want to server for any rational reason, you have that right. That's how Augusta is working. I don't know if they have women on staff or not, but I'm sure someone could/will cause a stink about it if they don't.

[ufcrusher]

Originally posted by Merlin
Everyone keeps bringing up the private club issue but that arguement might have a slight hole in it. If I own a private company I can't get away with not hiring women. So how is this different? I think Agusta National should open it up to whomever they want or don't want. Just trying to see all sides of the issue.

Yes, but the private clubs are different from employers...who are subject to the equal opportunity employment laws...meaning, they cant just hire and fire anyone on the basis of their race/gender/sexual preference.

[DankNstickY]

Originally posted by Blu



But I don't think he's a member either...

i was hesitant about posting my "tiger woods isn't old" post because of that. i wasn't sure if he was a member.

is he or not? anybody know?

[DankNstickY]

Originally posted by Merlin


Right, sure you don't :P

i know I DO.... :D
















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[sbp]

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[Nija]

Originally posted by sbp
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[DaFunkyUnit]

all the guys should join a sorority.


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[hang10wannabe]

Originally posted by Blu
So what do you think. Should Augusta let women in?

I don't think they should. Augusta is a private club, actually, it's the private club. This is a place that told Bill Gates to take a hike when he requested a membership. I believe that Augusta has uner 400 members, all men. It's been that way forever, why should it change now? I really think it's terrible that this women's group has nothing better to do than to pester the club to allow women. The club has apparently discussed allowing a few women to join, but decided not to during the approval process of the membership. I'm all for equality, but I don't think this place is breaking any rules...

Blu

ok... something sounds reeeeeeeeeeally fruity bout this club... "ok... let all the guys gather around the stage... now for the strippers... but since their no women allowed... we got... the ... sweaty... guys... stripping... ... ..." :eek:

i wouldnt want in if i couldnt take my maki in... no way no how :bandit:

ok maki... time for the sex :D

[Dave_7]

It's not like the membership at Augusta is 15,000-strong and growing without a single female member.

It's around 230 members, or so.

The PGA, though, has a policy of not holding events at courses with exclusionary or discriminatory rules.

1. Augusta doesn't exclude women from their list of tee-times. Something like 1,000 rounds were played last year at Augusta by women.

2. This may be news to the NCWO... but The Masters is not a PGA event. It is not governed by the PGA or, for that matter, the USGA. It is STRICTLY an invitational. Which means, the Augusta board makes the rules... exclusively.

The NCWO needs to (among other things) do its research before sending reps to TV talk shows talking about how The Masters is the only PGA event played at a course with such rules.

Cripes... that makes me mad.






Dave.

[JackHammer]

Originally posted by Blu
So what do you think. Should Augusta let women in?

I don't think they should. Augusta is a private club, actually, it's the private club. This is a place that told Bill Gates to take a hike when he requested a membership. I believe that Augusta has uner 400 members, all men. It's been that way forever, why should it change now? I really think it's terrible that this women's group has nothing better to do than to pester the club to allow women. The club has apparently discussed allowing a few women to join, but decided not to during the approval process of the membership. I'm all for equality, but I don't think this place is breaking any rules...

Blu

So, if race was the issue instead of gender, then would you see a problem with that? Couldn't we use the same arguments that you brought up for that case as well? It's a private club, why do they they need to allow blacks, Mexicans or Asians in? Let's take the desegragation of the restaurants in the south back in the 50's for example. Up until the desegragation, Blacks have never been allowed to sit at the counters of these diners, why did we have to change that? Why did the federal government step in to make that practice illegal? WHy would the blacks want to sit at the counters with whites anyway, right?

I believe the policy at Augusta is antiquated and members of the clubs are narrowminded. They are barring women from the club purely on the basis of gender. That is just not illegal but plain stupid as well.

[dbax791]

Well, I don't have a problem with it. Discriminate on race/religion/ethnic background, yeah there is an issue. And if there is discrimination Men v. Women in the workplace yeah, thats a problem. I believe in equal pay for equal work, and in fact, my boss's boss happens to be a VP and is female (and she kicks ass at her job)

But socially, I still think there is a place for men-only and women-only clubs. Gawd, I would hate to see women joining fraternities and men joining sororities. Too much PC for me!

[Dave_7]

Originally posted by JackHammer


I believe the policy at Augusta is antiquated and members of the clubs are narrowminded. They are barring women from the club purely on the basis of gender. That is just not illegal but plain stupid as well.

What policy? The club has considered women for membership, but just has yet to sponsor one.

And all this hooplah brought on by the NCWO is not going to help whoever was the potential fist lady-member of Augusta.






Dave.