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Thunder
10-09-2002, 11:11 AM
Dude, Where's My Job?
The so-called slackers are complaining (again) about the economy. This time they have reason to whine.
FORTUNE
Monday, October 14, 2002

Ten years ago grunge musicians and college-age Cassandras who had never held a day job preached that corporate America would crush their generation's soul and leave them without a pension plan. A few years later the core of Generation X--the 40 million Americans born between 1966 and 1975--found themselves riding the wildest economic bull ever. Salesclerks became programmers; coffee slingers morphed into experts in Java (computerese, that is)--all flush with stock options and eye-popping salaries.


Now that the thrill ride is over, Gen X's plight seems particularly bruising. No generation since the Depression has been set up for failure like this. Everything the dot-com boom delivered has been taken away--and then some. Real wages are falling, wealth continues to shift from younger to older, and education costs are surging. Worse yet, for some Gen Xers, their peak earning years are behind them. Buried in college and credit card debt, a lot of them won't be able to catch up as they approach their prime spending years. Yes, yes, yes, we know what you're thinking. The free-spending slackers have only themselves to blame, since the dot-com boom should have made them rich for life. On the surface that's true. A 30-year-old today is 50% more likely to have a bachelor's degree than his counterpart in 1974 and earns $5,000 more a year, adjusted for inflation. But that's where the good news stops. He also has more in student loans and credit card debt, is less likely to own a home, and is just as likely to be unemployed. His salary probably topped out during the boom, whereas his predecessor's rose throughout his career. Social Security will start to evaporate as he turns 50--or before, if the lockbox gets raided--so he'll have to depend almost completely on his own savings for retirement. The comparison with a 30-year-old in 1984 isn't any rosier. FORTUNE recently encountered the bitter and (now) experienced voice of Generation X. We interviewed more than 50 Gen Xers in Dallas, Louisville, and Seattle, with jobs ranging from construction manager to software engineer. Battered by the economy and the bad luck of being born between Madonna and Britney Spears, they're Generation Wrecked.

if your're interested...there is more here:

http://www.fortune.com/indexw.jhtml?channel=artcol.jhtml&doc_id=209746

Burzhui
10-09-2002, 11:53 AM
what's the name of our generation?
people who are born between lets say 1980 and so on

ufcrusher
10-09-2002, 12:04 PM
Ok I guess the definition of Generation X has multiple interpretatons. By this I mean, I have always heard and seen that Generation X runs until 1977, not 1975. So I find that kind of interesting that the article there only says 1975.

Nanotech9
10-09-2002, 12:07 PM
i think we're generation Z....

sbp
10-09-2002, 12:44 PM
Who comes up with these labels anyways?

The Generation after X is Generation Y.
http://www.businessweek.com/1999/99_07/b3616001.htm
http://pubweb.nwu.edu/~eyc345/final.html

This article focuses on the whimpering. Would many in Gen X want to go through what the WWII generation did? Thing is every generation has to live life and experiences both the good and bad.

Ladogaboy
10-09-2002, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by sbp
Who comes up with these labels anyways?

The Generation after X is Generation Y.


I think it is supposed to be a play on words... the generation after X is supposed to be Generation Why, or at least that's how I heard it. I guess we have even less direction than X. :hehehmm:

<edit> It looks so much better as a smilie. :hehehmm:

Thunder
10-09-2002, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by ufcrusher
Ok I guess the definition of Generation X has multiple interpretatons. By this I mean, I have always heard and seen that Generation X runs until 1977, not 1975. So I find that kind of interesting that the article there only says 1975.

the article says the core or bulk ends at 1975...

ufcrusher
10-09-2002, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by Thunder
the article says the core or bulk ends at 1975...

I guess you missed what I was saying. It appears that there is no firm dates as to when each generation starts and ends. This seems somewhat odd, since there doesnt seem to be many problems classifying other groups.

To highlight my point - the first article listed by sbp has Gen Y starting in 1979. The second article listed has Gen Y starting in 1977. Two different dates claiming to be the same thing.


Originally posted by sbp

The Generation after X is Generation Y.
http://www.businessweek.com/1999/99_07/b3616001.htm
http://pubweb.nwu.edu/~eyc345/final.html

Merlin
10-10-2002, 04:55 AM
Ah yes, yet another example of the folks here at G|A missing the point completely and focusing on a meaningless detail. :rolleyes: Whether it ends in 1975 or 1977 doesn't make a damn bit of difference. Moreover, the dates when generations/population segments begin and end are, at best, very rough guidelines.

Jeffbx
10-10-2002, 05:06 AM
Very true article tho - I'm smack in the middle of Gen X also, and I consider myself very lucky to have a good job, especially in the computer industry. I have friends that I used to work with that just can't find employment - going from software developer to used car salesman (literally).

Of course, everything goes in cycles so we'll recover OK, but this comes at a really bad time in the GenX life cycle - this is the time that people are settling down, getting married & having kids - and an unstable job market isn't very condusive to this lifestyle. It's OK to job hop & try new careers early on in life, but you really need stability once you've got a family depending on you to bring home the bacon.

mcs328
10-10-2002, 07:28 AM
I'm at the end in 1976 so I'm on the border. And I would take Madonna over Britney anyday of the week.

Merlin
10-10-2002, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by Jeffbx
Very true article tho - I'm smack in the middle of Gen X also, and I consider myself very lucky to have a good job, especially in the computer industry....

You can add finance to that as well. I have several investment banking/investment analyst friends who are currently "available." Hell, last year I was on the street for about nine months or so.

ufcrusher
10-10-2002, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Merlin
Ah yes, yet another example of the folks here at G|A missing the point completely and focusing on a meaningless detail. :rolleyes: Whether it ends in 1975 or 1977 doesn't make a damn bit of difference. Moreover, the dates when generations/population segments begin and end are, at best, very rough guidelines.

I completely disagree with you. The world is in the myriad of details that make up your everyday existence. For example, if the government suddenly said, all Gen Xers need to report to the Soylent Green factory, you would very quickly try to differentiate where you fell.

I didnt miss the point of the article, but was rather pointing out something questionable in the article. No, the range of dates would not effect what the author was trying to get across, but it would change the realm of who he considered effected.