VERY VERY funny halloween picture (careful around kids. ;) )

[Jenny]

I got this in an email from a friend of mine. Not sure where he got it from.

http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0802/halloweenhydrant.JPG

[attgig]

hehehehehehe

[Burzhui]

why should we be carefull around kids?

[raimin]

Originally posted by Burzhui
why should we be carefull around kids?

perhaps it's the 1 finger salute that might bother parents of kids?

[Jenny]

Originally posted by raimin


perhaps it's the 1 finger salute that might bother parents of kids?

Ummm, yep

:duh:

[Burzhui]

oh jeez.... prudes... all prudes

[Jenny]

Umm, no...

Just because I don't want my 4 year old son to learn what it means to flip someone off or don't want him seeing it and then doing it to people because he doesn't know that it is wrong, does NOT mean I'm a prude. It means I am a good parent.

When YOU have children, Burzhui, and grow up yourself, THEN you can say things like that and expect people to take you seriously.

[nickel]

that was a good picture jen :P

(i'm gonna borrow it) ;)

[Merlin]

And I thought he was saying "You're number one!" :hihi:

[nickel]

he wasn't? :shrug: :P

[Jenny]

Oh yeah, cpugeek, you are a lot more mature than Burzhui... :rolleyes: back atcha.

Seriously, I KNOW he will learn what it is. But hell if *I* am going to be the one to expose him to it. And hell if it is going to be at 4 years old. MY son will grow up with manners, even if others aren't.

[DankNstickY]

i agree with jenny. its her son, let her raise him how she wants (as long as its acceptible, which this IS).

all parents are different, and not all find the same things to be correct for their "lil ones" to know/do. i see some little kids dressed and acting a certain way. i think "damn, good thing i'm not gonna be one of those parents. my kid(s) gonna be cool."

if jenny doesnt wanna be cool, let her. :P j/k.

yea the kid's gonna learn it sometime, but i dont think that it's necessary and correct for any kid to learn EVERYTHING at 4.

do u really wanna spend THAT much time in the principal's office when your kid gets to first grade? :rolleyes:

[Jenny]

Alright, reading back, my replies weren't very mature either.

But seriously to both of you, until you have kids, you can NOT understand why I said careful around kids. Sure, it's cute & funny when your young child says or does something they shouldn't. But they have to be LITTLE. 4 years old is a little too old for it to be just cute. It makes them look rude, crude and like the parents haven't taught their children any manners.

For example, a boy in Josh's class is like that. His parents have never taught him to respect others, to be nice, etc. I'm sorry. He's a cute kid but he's also a rude little boy that doesn't act very good very often at all. No way in hell that I want my son to act like that.

You have to realize that I'm talking about a 4 year old. NOT a 13 year old. Or hell, even a 10 year old! Sure, at 9 or 10, I knew what flipping the birdie meant. I never did it, cause I knew it was wrong, but I knew what it was. But I didn't know it at 4 and there is no reason why I should have. Same with my son.

[Memo]

Well I'm not gonna get into it too much. I think the pic is funny. And I think it's hypocritical for me to find it funny and to hide it from someone else because it's not appropriate. If it's not appropriate then why's it funny? On another note, I probably wouldn't let my child look at it either :P

[Jenny]

Originally posted by Yossarian
my father told me what the bird was when i was about four. i've been listening to music that has "bad words" in it all of my life. i'm permitted to swear at home when i want too. if you want your son to grow up mannerly, i suggest you expose him to differnt walks of life. encourage him to read. hell my parents pushed me to read so much, that i was reading at college level when i was 11. teachers are always telling me that i write exellent essays, short stories ect. reading and listening to music is a great way to expand your childs knowledge and exposures to other ways of life. one great series for a kid to read IMO is R.L Stines 'Goosebumps' series. there kinda spooky sometimes to a little kid, but they kinda set the child in the carchters(i know its speeeled rong) shoes and let them see through another persons eyes, which allows them to think like other people.

i'm farly certain that if you ask some of the 'mids' around her, ie. jase, whitak, df, and others(don't feel offend if i didn't mention you please :P), they will tell you that they read a lot as children, and continue to do so. one of the smartest men i know, a history teacher at my school, reads books at a time, all for pleasure, but on all diffrent topics. currently he is reading a book on the civil war, one on budahism, and one on the vikings. this man is very open to what others think and incoperates that into his religon. hes cathloic, but he admits that he belives in other aspects of other religons also.


Wait, wait. I never once mentioned reading... I LOVE reading. My son loves reading. We read 3 or 4 books a day. He reads (albeit not really reading yet) before falling asleep.

I have no problem letting him read about other things and other walks of life. But at 4, I don't feel like he needs to be exposed to those things that I feel are wrong. That is why I am the parent and he is the child. When he gets older, I'm not going to go out of my way to prevent him from learning things. Those things will help him mature in his own way. But he is only 4. You ask Kim, DarkFury, LPMiller and others with kids. I would bet 90% of them will say 4 years old is too young to voluntarily expose them to things like flipping the birdie.

And wanting my son to grow up mannerly doesn't include teaching him the birdie at 4 years old. It also does not have anything to do with showing him the different walks of life. To me, that means taking him down to the nursing home to talk with the old folks there. When he gets older, it means taking him with me to volunteer at a shelter. It means allowing him to be who he is when he is a teenager. But it does NOT mean teaching him things that I believe are disrespectful and wrong, when he can't even read yet. He will learn those things on his own when he is older. I can't prevent that. But neither will I be the one to teach him.

[Jenny]

Originally posted by Yossarian
i'm not saying that its ok for him to do it, its not. i'm saying that hes gonna learn sometime, and if its at home, somewhere where he can be told 'no' its gonna be much better than at school.

I guess that is where we are just going to disagree. That is like the parents who allow their children to smoke at home, drink at home, have sex in the house, swear at home (no offense), etc. I'm sorry. I WILL NOT allow my son to do any of that. He may go do that elsewhere. But he will KNOW that he is disobeying me. If I give him permission to do those things at home or TEACH him how to do something that I believe is wrong, how is that teaching him that I feel like those things are wrong? It doesn't. It says, "Well, I think they are wrong, but hell, go ahead and do them."

[welfareloser]

good lord... jenny is polite enough to post a warning because some ppl might not want their kids to see this... and she gets blasted. good job. "i don't get very serious on these boards..." uhhhh, sounds like you were very seriously trying real hard to be a raging five-alarm pain-in-the-butt hard-on about something that's no big deal.

it's one thing to know what it is. it's another to be exposed to an image that endorses its use. you see something unacceptable in a context that seems to present it as acceptable, and a 4-yr-old gets the impression that it is acceptable.

i will, at some point, explain to my kid the history of the n-word. he will know what it is. i will refrain from exposing him to jokes that make use of the word, as if it was simply a springboard for humor.

my kid will know what sex is. that doesn't mean he gets free access to porn. nuff said.

[Jenny]

Originally posted by welfareloser
i will, at some point, explain to my kid the history of the n-word. he will know what it is. i will refrain from exposing him to jokes that make use of the word, as if it was simply a springboard for humor.

my kid will know what sex is. that doesn't mean he gets free access to porn. nuff said.

:stupid:

Exactly. There are some things that yes, I WANT to be the one to teach my child about. Sex being the major one. I want him to learn about things like that correctly. Not from friends but from us, his parents.

welfare could not have said it any better. :)

[DankNstickY]

Originally posted by welfareloser
to be a raging five-alarm pain-in-the-butt hard-on


:bigmouth::heh:
aww damn thats funny.



"TIMMY! QUIT BEIN SUCH A RAGING FIVE-ALARM PAIN-IN-THE-BUTT HARD-ON!"

heh... funny funny.

[Jenny]

Originally posted by Yossarian

exactly. sorry (again) :blush: my points weren't very clear. i was also saying that the parents need to be readily involved in the childs real world teachings at home.

I agree about the real world teachings at home. But to me, that doesn't mean teaching them things you think are wrong. :)

[nickel]

Please take this to chat.







haha, i couldn't resist, but you guys were going back and forth, and it seems i got reprimanded for doing that with yossa myself. :P

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by Jenny
Umm, no...

Just because I don't want my 4 year old son to learn what it means to flip someone off or don't want him seeing it and then doing it to people because he doesn't know that it is wrong, does NOT mean I'm a prude. It means I am a good parent.

When YOU have children, Burzhui, and grow up yourself, THEN you can say things like that and expect people to take you seriously.

Hey, my little bro knew every curse in the book by the age of 7, the thing is i also taught him it was wrong to use. Did he use them no, did he understand certain situations better... YES!!!

Now if you can't teach your kid right from wrong, well i dunno what to tell you then

EDIT: i know exactly what to tell you, if you can't teach him right from wrong you then you are a bad parent. Put him in a bubble why don't you.

[Merlin]

Oh, and Burzhui jumps out into the lead for the "troll of the day award" :king:


By the way, thanks for the picture Jen. I laughed at it.

[sbp]

Quite a disconnect between those who have children and those who do not.


Originally posted by Burzhui
Hey, my little bro knew every curse in the book by the age of 7, the thing is i also taught him it was wrong to use. Did he use them no, did he understand certain situations better... YES!!!

Now if you can't teach your kid right from wrong, well i dunno what to tell you then

EDIT: i know exactly what to tell you, if you can't teach him right from wrong you then you are a bad parent. Put him in a bubble why don't you. Here is the point: They are teaching kids right from wrong. They do not want young children to be exposed to all the base stuff in life immediately.

You and I as adults can look at much more and know how to react. What may be appropriate for us, may not be appropriate for young kids.

Furthermore, not every kid is the same. Capishe?

Got anything else to reply with? Father LPMiller will be by to post words of wisdom then.

[LPMiller]

Oh, I dunno that I'm the best person to reply here. I'm Italian, I was flipping off the neighbor kids before I fully grasped the whole walking concept. I like swearing; it's a very ingrained part of my personallity. The last time someone proposed a Swear Jar, I told them exactly where to store it, and how much I really cared about it.

All I'm really concerned with is that the kid does it in context, and swears correctly.

Having said that, Burzhiu, it's your job as an older brother to make sure the little bastard swears right, gets laid, and gets drunk in a safe and responsible manner. It is not the Parents job to teach decedence to their kids, but to teach them how to deal with. Therefore, it is up the parent to decided when those lessons are best taught, not up to some random stranger. The world already tries it's damndest to cut out the parent; I don't see that we need to make it easier. All Jenny did was warn off those parents that might get all ticked off by the picture.

I know it's an old saw, but as a non parent, you really don't have a concept - it's not the same as a little brother at all, and I helped raise my little bro. In all honesty, your opinion really doesn't count in that regard. Teaching someone right from wrong means controlling when they are exposed to certian things, when you can, so that you can place them in a context the kid will understand. Most 4 year olds can't place swearing in a proper context; mostly they are just going to mimic what they see with no understanding.

Frankly, that leads to improper and out of place swearing, which is very jarring to the ear. It also leads to a 4 year old, in the middle of Target, yelling out G'd Damn as they try to figure out the xbox display. This is not in fact as funny is it seems, even if it is a perfect emulation of daddy at the computer. Kids grow up fast enough, there is no need to rush it.

[JustAPotato]

WOW all this for posting a VERY VERY funny halloween picture" ??


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[sbp]

Yeah we took it easy this time. http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/wink2.gif

[revil]

Originally posted by sbp
Yeah we took it easy this time. http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/wink2.gif
are you kidding? We barely tried.

[El Scorcho]

First, its Jennys kid let her raise him however she damn well pleases.

Second, hes four... shes more than justified in censoring certain things from him. Kids, especially 4 year olds, are extremely impressionable and waiting until hes older and can understand these things is the right thing to do.



Back to the picture though,

haha good one jen!

...who's a firehydrand for halloween though?:P

[Jenny]

Originally posted by El Scorcho
...who's a firehydrand for halloween though?:P

:heh:

I have no idea! It is a funny picture, though. :)

[SonyGuy]

I want him to learn about things like that correctly. Not from friends but from us, his parents.

Good luck... My parents did a ****ty job on that one. Plus the fact I never did and never would hear anything about sex from their mouths. To me that's disgusting. Not the concept, just I don't want to hear anything about sex from my parents. But I don't even talk to them anymore so it doesn't really matter. My point is that you'll probably lay down the basics... babies don't come from storks etc... but friends almost always take up the role in filling other less informed kids in... And if they're really naieve(sp) then man they're in for the humiliation of their life...

[Jenny]

Originally posted by SonyGuy


Good luck... My parents did a ****ty job on that one. Plus the fact I never did and never would hear anything about sex from their mouths. To me that's disgusting. Not the concept, just I don't want to hear anything about sex from my parents. But I don't even talk to them anymore so it doesn't really matter. My point is that you'll probably lay down the basics... babies don't come from storks etc... but friends almost always take up the role in filling other less informed kids in... And if they're really naieve(sp) then man they're in for the humiliation of their life...

Well, I'm sorry it was like that for you.

I plan on being a better parent than that. I understand that he will learn things from his friends. But we will be the first to tell him about sex. That you can get pregnant from having intercourse, which involves a boy putting his penis into a girl's vagina (and what exactly that part is on a girl ;) ), that you can't get pregnant from having oral sex (which, etc), but you CAN catch diseases from both. That type of thing. Of course I won't talk to him about me & his father or me in the past, etc. I won't tell him how it feels, give him details like that. But he will learn the basics from me. I learned it from my parents and my husband learned them from his parents. Neither of us got pregnant (or got a girl pregnant) until we were ready. Neither of us has ever had an std. I would like to think that it was because we were taught the things correctly. My son won't be one of those less informed kids whose parents rely on friends and the school system to do their job.

[revil]

Originally posted by Jenny
which involves a boy putting his penis into a girl's vagina
:hmm: is that how it works? I've been doing it all wrong. :disa:

[Burzhui]

Originally posted by Jenny


Of course I won't talk to him about me & his father or me in the past, etc. I won't tell him how it feels, give him details like that.



good you will save this kid hundreds in therapist bills


Originally posted by Jenny

But he will learn the basics from me.

:eek: the day he was born was the last day he saw a vagina ;)