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attgig
11-18-2002, 09:42 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/11/18/scotus.prisoner.semen.ap/index.html

Supreme Court passes up inmate sperm case
Monday, November 18, 2002 Posted: 11:30 AM EST (1630 GMT)


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court showed no sympathy Monday for a California inmate who wants to become a long-distance father.

Justices rejected William Reno Gerber's claim that he should be allowed to ship his sperm to his wife.

The Supreme Court ruled 60 years ago that inmates cannot be sterilized, but it's never said they have a constitutional right to procreate from behind bars.

Gerber narrowly lost in an appeals court. His lawyer, Teresa Zuber, told the Supreme Court that decision causes a "loss to humanity of children who could offer their creativity, innocence, and love, to their parents, to their grandparents, to a world so desperately in need of all these things."

Gerber is serving a life sentence for firing a gun into his television set. He was previously convicted of illegally firing a gun and making terrorist threats. He was sentenced under California's three strikes law, which requires tougher sentences for repeat offenders. The Supreme Court is reviewing the three-strikes law in separate cases that challenge its constitutionality.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 6-5 against Gerber, reversing a three-judge panel of the court which had said Gerber had a right to mail his sperm to his 46-year-old wife, Evelyn.

A band of the Luiseno Mission Indians urged the high court to review the case. Evelyn Gerber is a tribe member who wants to be artificially inseminated and raise children in the traditional Luiseno culture and language, lawyer Richard T. Williams told the court.

"A prison warden has decided to exercise racial and genetic control and has relegated Mrs. Gerber to a life sentence -- one without the possibility of having children with her husband," Williams said in court filings.

The California prison system did not file arguments in Gerber's appeal, but state Attorney General Bill Lockyer had said earlier that "the law, as well as common sense, recognizes that individuals who commit serious crimes forfeit many rights that law-abiding citizens enjoy."

Many California inmates are allowed to have conjugal visits with their spouses, but William Gerber is ineligible because of his life sentence.

The case is Gerber v. Hickman, 02-419.





yeah,
1) that's nasty...
2) nice...another single mom trying to make it in the world...and seems like she would have no shame in telling her kid that the dad's in prison for life....., nice father-child relationship that'll create.
3) do the father's genes make the child more likely to become a criminal?

Hiro
11-18-2002, 09:46 AM
Ok, you get 25 years for killing someone, but Life for killing a TV.

That's fair. :rolleyes:

molecularfire
11-18-2002, 10:41 AM
I don't agree with the 3 strikes law as is (mainly because there are some stupid things about it) but I do agree that the government shouldn't have to pay for the guy to ship his sperm to his wife. If you're in jail, you've shown disregard for following the rules of society. Any group works by pooling resources and helping each other out. The way I see it, not doing stupid thing is part of those rules. Why should he get the benefits of society (use of tax dollars) if he isn't willing to follow the rules.

As for the question of whether the kid will be more likely to become a criminal because of the genes, there is no data that I know of at least to support that. However, kids from messed up homes are more likely to become criminals just because of the environment.

joe52985
11-18-2002, 08:07 PM
i see nothing wrong with firing my m16 in the privicy of my own home, or car!:fal:

seriously though, life for shooting a tv and making threats?:hmm:

gear02
11-18-2002, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by molecularfire
I don't agree with the 3 strikes law as is (mainly because there are some stupid things about it) but I do agree that the government shouldn't have to pay for the guy to ship his sperm to his wife. If you're in jail, you've shown disregard for following the rules of society. Any group works by pooling resources and helping each other out. The way I see it, not doing stupid thing is part of those rules. Why should he get the benefits of society (use of tax dollars) if he isn't willing to follow the rules.


The idea of the 3 strikes law is a good one, but it's poorly implemented. It makes sense to sentence a guy who has committed tons of serious crime to life. However, in some cases it goes overboard.

sleepminded
11-18-2002, 11:23 PM
o.O

this is...disturbing... :2far: