The Moon

[revil]

This has to be the funniest thing i have read in quite some time:



It amazes me that so many allegedly "educated" people have fallen so quickly and so hard for a fraudulent fabrication of such laughable proportions. The very idea that a gigantic ball of rock happens to orbit our planet, showing itself in neat, four-week cycles -- with the same side facing us all the time -- is ludicrous. Furthermore, it is an insult to common sense and a damnable affront to intellectual honesty and integrity. That people actually believe it is evidence that the liberals have wrested the last vestiges of control of our public school system from decent, God-fearing Americans (as if any further evidence was needed! Daddy's Roommate? God Almighty!)

Documentaries such as Enemy of the State have accurately portrayed the elaborate, byzantine network of surveillance satellites that the liberals have sent into space to spy on law-abiding Americans. Equipped with technology developed by Handgun Control, Inc., these satellites have the ability to detect firearms from hundreds of kilometers up. That's right, neighbors .. the next time you're out in the backyard exercising your Second Amendment rights, the liberals will see it! These satellites are sensitive enough to tell the difference between a Colt .45 and a .38 Special! And when they detect you with a firearm, their computers cross-reference the address to figure out your name, and then an enormous database housed at Berkeley is updated with information about you.

Of course, this all works fine during the day, but what about at night? Even the liberals can't control the rotation of the Earth to prevent nightfall from setting in (only Joshua was able to ask for that particular favor!) That's where the "moon" comes in. Powered by nuclear reactors, the "moon" is nothing more than an enormous balloon, emitting trillions of candlepower of gun-revealing light. Piloted by key members of the liberal community, the "moon" is strategically moved across the country, pointing out those who dare to make use of their God-given rights at night!

Yes, I know this probably sounds paranoid and preposterous, but consider this. Despite what the revisionist historians tell you, there is no mention of the "moon" anywhere in literature or historical documents -- anywhere -- before 1950. That is when it was initially launched. When President Josef Kennedy, at the State of the Union address, proclaimed "We choose to go to the moon", he may as well have said "We choose to go to the weather balloon." The subsequent faking of a "moon" landing on national TV was the first step in a long history of the erosion of our constitutional rights by leftists in this country. No longer can we hide from our government when the sun goes down.


http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=45982&cid=4749806

[coleslaw]

Aye, that may be true, but if it's not, you can still own an acre of land on the moon (http://www.lunarembassy.com/) for $19.99!!

[Cantacuzene]

I'm pretty sure I could find a reference to the moon before 1950.

[Cantacuzene]

Originally posted by Yossarian


educate us, all mighty powerful and intellectual being.

I hope you were joking. http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa100797.htm

[Punker_bob2004]

Originally posted by Yossarian


next time i'll remember to insert my [sarsasm][/sarcasm] tags

heh heh :heh:

[WhiskeyPapa]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
I hope you were joking. http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa100797.htm That page has a date of 10/7/97. Long after 1950.

Even I can make a fake web page. Now, find me a web page authored by the Mayans, and I'll believe you.

[whitak24]

i find it rather humorus that these people, who seem to be christians and reference the story of Joshua making the sun stand still would also claim that there is no reference to the moon prior to 1950.

if we take a look at the Biblical account of the incident, from Joshua 10:11-14:

11 As they fled before Israel on the road down from Beth Horon to Azekah, the LORD hurled large hailstones down on them from the sky, and more of them died from the hailstones than were killed by the swords of the Israelites.
12 On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel:

"O sun, stand still over Gibeon,
O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon."
13 So the sun stood still,
and the moon stopped,
till the nation avenged itself on [1] its enemies,

as it is written in the Book of Jashar.
The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. 14 There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the LORD listened to a man. Surely the LORD was fighting for Israel!

hmmm....i know there are plenty of bibles that were printed before 1950 that contain this passage :shifty:

how could they have missed it? :eek:

conspiracy wackos amaze me with their ability to ignore reality and twist facts to suit their bizarre agendas :2far:

[Cantacuzene]

Any piece of evidence that doesnt fit in the conspiracy theory is part of the conspiracy. Circular logic is fantastic.

[OC]

I work with just such an individual. He's convinced that the vapor trails left by planes at high altitudes are our government spraying us with "something". No, he doesn't know what.

-OC

[ShortStack]

Oh my word. I've heard of people thinking the "walk on the moon" didn't happen, but the moon being fake?? Didn't Galileo talk about the moon in his writings?

And here it is. I googled!

Here is a sketching of Galileo drawing the moon:
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/moon/images/galmoon.html

And this is some history. I just skimmed it, but it seems to say that Galileo studied the moon.
http://es.rice.edu/ES/humsoc/Galileo/Student_Work/Astronomy95/moon.html

So hmmm...the moon doesn't exist?

[Napoleon54]

Think Orwell's 1984. It could happen. Perhaps there used to be TWO MOONS!!! Seriously, we only can know what we've read, been told, or experienced with our own senses. Just for a second, assume that there used to be another moon, but it vanished in the year 1890. The government collected and destroyed all documents pertaining to the second moon. Anyone caught talking about the second moon was executed. Eventually nobody talked about it, read about it, or heard about it ever again. Voila! No second moon! It could happen.

Brings up a new topic: What defines REALITY? If nobody knows about the now nonexistant moon, did it ever exist? If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it make a sound? If nobody ever saw the tree before, was it ever standing upright? Not necessarily...

[InfiniteNothing]

of course it would have to be a world wide conspiracy to hide the fact that there were two moons. I mean just because the US destroyed the documents doesn't mean every country did. Also, if there was such a cover up woudn't someone write about the cover up....or would that writting be covered up too. Howabout we follow Ocam's razor and say that this didn't happen. If a tree falls in the forrest, surely some rabbit ran away or something. It might also be felt on some sensitive earthquake tracking device. If you see a tree with a jagged break and a stump whose jaggies match that break....the tree fell. I don't really care if anyone saw it.

[WhiskeyPapa]

Either some of you are really good at being sarcastic, or you really believe the original quoted passage was written any other way than tongue-in-cheek. :)

[whitak24]

Originally posted by kb0wwp
Either some of you are really good at being sarcastic, or you really believe the original quoted passage was wirtten any other way than tounge-in-cheek. :)
to tell you the truth, i had no reason to believe it was being written in sarcasm.

i have recently been doing some research on a lot of conspiracy theories (as the result of crazy wackos at my church who believe some of this stuff :rolleyes: ). proponents of these thories write stuff like what revil quoted above and are 100% serious.

so yes, i can see how it may be a joke. but compared to a lot of stuff out there, it sounds serious.

[Napoleon54]

Originally posted by InfiniteNothing
Howabout we follow Ocam's razor and say that this didn't happen.

Question everything. Question the ground you stand on. Question the things you see with your own eyes. Question what you read. Question everybody. Question yourself. You never know what you might find.

[Merlin]

Oh yeah, well how then does mister smarty explain the different phases of the moon? A cresant balloon!

[InfiniteNothing]

Originally posted by Napoleon54


Question everything. Question the ground you stand on. Question the things you see with your own eyes. Question what you read. Question everybody. Question yourself. You never know what you might find.

Sure we can question everything but lets try and come up with an answer every time. Otherwise there is NO use in questioning
Did a tree fall in the forrest:
Me: Yes, Yes it did
You: I don't know. what is the nature of treeness.

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by InfiniteNothing


Sure we can question everything but lets try and come up with an answer every time. Otherwise there is NO use in questioning

There are only questions.

There is no use for answers, because there are no real answers. Nothing can be deemed absolutely true. Almost everything humanity thought to be true 500 years ago has now been proven as false (or has it?). What makes you think 500 years from now humanity won't be looking at our truth in the same way?

Demanding an answer is like demanding to be placed in a prison box.

All rational thought is based on questions. All irrational thought (like belief systems and faith) are based on "answers".

[whitak24]

Originally posted by zenbooty


There are only questions.

There is no use for answers, because there are no real answers. Nothing can be deemed absolutely true. Almost everything humanity thought to be true 500 years ago has now been proven as false (or has it?). What makes you think 500 years from now humanity won't be looking at our truth in the same way?

Demanding an answer is like demanding to be placed in a prison box.

All rational thought is based on questions. All irrational thought (like belief systems and faith) are based on "answers".
asking questions is great, and i fully support that.

however, i reserve the right to dismiss certain nuts who ask questions that are so hypothetical or so far away from observed reality that they are, in my opinion, a waste of my time to think about.

[Cantacuzene]

Sophistry is fake. Sophists ask seemingly innocent questions but they know full well what the answer to them is and since they are asking the questions they ask only things which further their arguement, so it seems like they always win their debates. It is a fallacy and relies on too much inductive reasoning and circular logic.

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
Sophistry is fake. Sophists ask seemingly innocent questions but they know full well what the answer to them is and since they are asking the questions they ask only things which further their arguement, so it seems like they always win their debates. It is a fallacy and relies on too much inductive reasoning and circular logic.

Well of course sophistry is fake, by its very definition. The real question is where does philosophy end and sophistry begin?

And inductive reasoning is a perfectly valid and suitable method of formal proof, and shouldn't be associated with circular logic.

[InfiniteNothing]

I dont see your point. So far you've lead us down the sophist path of "We cant know anything" and Zene rebuked you as nicely as he could for it.
the difference between sophistry and philosophy is that philosophy gives us valid insights into life. But what does this have to do with if there is a moon???

[Cantacuzene]

The problem with sophistry is that the sophist can ask questions in a manner or series that causes a person to contradict themselves. Problem is, the person isnt contradicting themselves due to any superior arguemnt or logic, they are just being tricked by crafty word play.

Also, inductive reasoning is a valid means of rational, but not by itself. Same as deductive. You need the hypothesis and experiment to actually KNOW something, inductive or deductive reasoning alone won't get you any close to knowing the answer. To quote a better writer than myself...

"A scientists using inductive reasoning alone is doomed to error if he fails to check his reasoning against nature itself, the final arbiter of the truth of formal statements."

Using the trickery of sophistry I could "prove" the moon doesnt exist using "logical rational" but, as soon as I go outside and look up at the night sky, all that fancy double talk is proven wrong.

[Merlin]

Idiot! Does he not know that the moon is made out of cheese! :eek:

[revil]

Originally posted by Merlin
Idiot! Does he not know that the moon is made out of cheese! :eek:
exactly, and why didn't the moon melt when they took off?! that much heat should have melted the moon!

[oblongmelon]

Originally posted by revil

exactly, and why didn't the moon melt when they took off?! that much heat should have melted the moon!

Ok, so it was PROCESSED IMITATION CHEESE FOOD PRODUCT..it had to be used because it never melts..now that you've gone and made me let the secret out-I hope you're pleased with yourself. hmph.

[revil]

Originally posted by oblongmelon
Ok, so it was PROCESSED IMITATION CHEESE FOOD PRODUCT..it had to be used because it never melts..now that you've gone and made me let the secret out-I hope you're pleased with yourself. hmph.

was it a GOVERNMENT PROCESSED IMITATION CHEESE FOOD PRODUCT? I bet it was. :shifty:

[oblongmelon]

Ok ok so the Gub'ment had alot of surplus that they needed to conceal-I think DF is behind all this in the long run..don't you?

[sizemic1]

Of course..you COULD just ask your grandaparents if they remember seeing the moon prior to 1950.

[sbp]

Someone call Oliver Stone http://home.earthlink.net/~sbp777/pics/bleh.gif

Your grandparents may be in on it. :eek:

[i6s1]

Originally posted by sizemic1
Of course..you COULD just ask your grandaparents if they remember seeing the moon prior to 1950.

Mine told me they saw it, so they must be government agents, or they were brainwashed by the government. Its all a far reaching conspiricy.