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SnowSurfer
12-11-2002, 06:43 PM
http://www.mastalk.com/pages/wife.htm

may be offensive to some but not really just funny :)

Kim
12-11-2002, 06:49 PM
Bwahahaha...looking around at my cluttery house and the dinner that is NOT on the table....I'm a BAD wife! :D

welfareloser
12-11-2002, 06:51 PM
you know, i know this isn't the most popular thing to say, but most of it is good advice, given that the wife in question is a housewife and the husband works full-time. i try to do many of the things on the list and it feels good to do them. his job involves making money, mine involves taking care of all the stupid household stuff so that when he comes home at night, we can BOTH relax and enjoy ourselves and our kids.

what makes the whole thing offensive is the context in which it was originally conceived, wherein the woman best damn well be a housewife, period - a single woman was a lowly spinster, and a woman who wanted to work after marriage was an embarrassment.

of course, some of the points are, in and of themselves, offensive, like the part where the woman is supposed to put his feelings first, ask about his problems and shut up about hers... 'cause his problems are obviously sooo much more important than hers... i mean, really, what what kind of a wuss is she if she thinks she's under, like, actual STRESS and stuff? yeah, that's the basis of a greeeeaaaat marriage :rolleyes:

InfiniteNothing
12-11-2002, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by welfareloser
you know, i know this isn't the most popular thing to say, but most of it is good advice, given that the wife in question is a housewife and the husband works full-time. i try to do many of the things on the list and it feels good to do them. his job involves making money, mine involves taking care of all the stupid household stuff so that when he comes home at night, we can BOTH relax and enjoy ourselves and our kids.

what makes the whole thing offensive is the context in which it was originally conceived, wherein the woman best damn well be a housewife, period - a single woman was a lowly spinster, and a woman who wanted to work after marriage was an embarrassment.

of course, some of the points are, in and of themselves, offensive, like the part where the woman is supposed to put his feelings first, ask about his problems and shut up about hers... 'cause his problems are obviously sooo much more important than hers... i mean, really, what what kind of a wuss is she if she thinks she's under, like, actual STRESS and stuff? yeah, that's the basis of a greeeeaaaat marriage :rolleyes:

Hey, what are you doing tomorrow about 6:30p?


;)

welfareloser
12-11-2002, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by InfiniteNothing


Hey, what are you doing tomorrow about 6:30p?


;)

going to my mandolin lesson while prm makes dinner for me n eg :P

InfiniteNothing
12-11-2002, 07:07 PM
And the night after?



;)

TofuNinja
12-11-2002, 07:16 PM
PC no... funny yes....hahaha

Pinkgirl36
12-11-2002, 09:07 PM
My teacher gave that to us in one of my classes. Thought it was extreamly funny. The older women in the class didn't find it funny because that's how things were for them or their parents and stuff....

But yeah...I think that whoever is not working should be taking care of stuff around the house, or whoever is home for that day or something I know when I come home from being out I hate coming home to a dirty house so it works both ways...

eSDee
12-11-2002, 10:35 PM
It's funny because it's ridiculous. I checked on snopes (http://www.snopes.com/language/document/goodwife.htm) because I thought it might be fake, but it says that it is undetermined whether it is legit or not. I did a google search and came up mostly with feminist articles talking about how disgusting men are and stuff like that. I'm gonna say I agree that it is sexist, however I think that welfare and pink have a good point. It doesn't matter who is the working one and who is taking care of the house. For a successful marriage you gotta get the teamwork going, me thinks. Now the parts about keeping your mouth shut until he's done with his bitching is stupid, but some of them are good ideas. Whoever is at home can take some steps to make the home a place for refuge and relaxation, to kick back at the end of the day and share eachother's experiences from the day.

Yep I know I took it too deep, but I just felt like talking about it. A good relationship requires being thoughtful of eachother.

[tenacious d]That phuckin TEAM Work![/tencious d]

revil
12-12-2002, 01:00 AM
I sent this to my mother....

Me: Since your not working, it's time to brush up on your wifing skills: :P
http://www.mastalk.com/pages/wife.htm

my mom: Who the hell wrote that?!!??! Get no ideas from this crap my son!

Me: Hey! Know your place! :P

My mom: I repeat---"Get no ideas from this my son!" My place is at the top! Just remember that!

SnowSurfer
12-12-2002, 03:54 AM
i showed this to my mom and she yelled at me saying that it was sexist or something..who knows

oblongmelon
12-12-2002, 04:04 AM
I agree with all but the last two..
nothing wrong with trying to keep the peace at home if ya know what I mean..but that's just common sense..funny thing is-Mr.Melon does exactly the same stuff for me on his days off..(with the exception of wiping the kids faces as they are certainly old enough to do that by themselves when they are home!~) Life is good.

Merlin
12-12-2002, 05:34 AM
Most of those are antiquated and no longer applicable to modern life, but the following...


Be Happy To See Him.

should always be the case.


As for the rest of them, and this goes for men as well as women, it seems they advise being more sensitive to your partner's problems and less selfish. Seems like good advise. :shrug:

johnnymk
12-12-2002, 06:40 AM
Heh...even with all the work sharing talk and the sensitivity training, the divorce rate is still hovering around 50%.
So no matter if you have a sensitive husband or an Archie Bunker type, the success of the marriage is still up in the air.

whitak24
12-12-2002, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by revil
My mom: I repeat---"Get no ideas from this my son!" My place is at the top! Just remember that!
i did not want to know about what position revil's mom preferred. that is just wrong :puke: :P

Originally posted by johnnymk
Heh...even with all the work sharing talk and the sensitivity training, the divorce rate is still hovering around 50%.
So no matter if you have a sensitive husband or an Archie Bunker type, the success of the marriage is still up in the air.
um, that's not really logical. to even BEGIN to see if that is a valid point, you would need a lot of indepth research to see WHO is getting divorced. it's entirely possible that 50% of the men are "Archie Bunkers" and that they make up all of those getting divorced.

obviously, that's not true--some nice guys end up divorced. but it's also not valid to say that working to be sensitive and each bear an equal part of the burden of the marriage has no impact on the success of the marriage.

and it's definitely not fair to say so without any sort of evidence to back up the point.

johnnymk
12-12-2002, 02:28 PM
From what I've seen, it's rarely the macho guy who is the target of the divorce.
I have seen sensitive, caring, hard working men dumped by their wives.
So as far as logic, that has very little to do with marriage in today's nutty world.

whitak24
12-12-2002, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by johnnymk
So as far as logic, that has very little to do with marriage in today's nutty world.
well, i'd agree there, since most people base their marriages on a big portion of emotion. emotion is, by definition, not logical :D

as for causes of marriage and divorce, we could go on for hours about that. and as for what makes a successful marriage, i don't think you or i either one can really speak knowledgably on that topic....since we're single! :P

Nija
12-12-2002, 02:44 PM
http://www.mastalk.com/images/housewifeopt.jpg

johnnymk
12-12-2002, 02:48 PM
That could be true, but sometimes outside observers notice things that wouldn't be so obvious to people caught up in their own busy, complicated world.

{This was a response to whitak}

Grimm
12-12-2002, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by johnnymk
From what I've seen, it's rarely the macho guy who is the target of the divorce.
I have seen sensitive, caring, hard working men dumped by their wives.
So as far as logic, that has very little to do with marriage in today's nutty world.
:stupid:
Women tend to cling to the jerks and dump the guys they all say they want.
My brother-in-law cooked, cleaned, did laundry, held down a full time job, took care of the kids, did the dishes, played with the kids in his very little down time, and waited on my sister. My sister watched TV. When she was home alone with the kids they were on their own (2 and 5 years old), unless they got too loud and interfered with her TV viewing. He was not abusive, she was psychologicaly and emotionaly abusive. She even hit him sometines,despite him being quite a large guy (broke his nose once).

She divorced him, dragged him through the whole thing, made it as tough and expensive as possible. Lied, backstabbed, stashed money and the whole nine yards. Said she was leaving "to find herself". If she ever does, I am sure she will be disapointed with what she finds.

I kept him as a brother and dumped her as a sister. He is a good person.

revil
12-12-2002, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by whitak24

i did not want to know about what position revil's mom preferred. that is just wrong :puke: :P
that's disgusting...

eSDee
12-12-2002, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by Grimm

I kept him as a brother and dumped her as a sister. He is a good person.

You're a good man, Grimm.