Lapd

[TofuNinja]

What is up with the LAPD? First they are beating people up and stuff, now they are running over homeless people. THere have been I think 3 high speed car accidents by the LAPD these week. Crazy I tell you crazy.

[Speedfreak]

I think they have been playing to many video games. :P

[TofuNinja]

which promotes violence right....

[Speedfreak]

As some people think.

[bachviet]

LAPD cops love headlines that's why! To me, if it's too dangerous to chase, they should have called it off (on surface street) because they could always chase using helicopters! :angry:

[eSDee]

Linkage please.

[TofuNinja]

Yeah I know... Just more things to tarnish their reputation even more

[Merlin]

LAPD...Talk about a topic that belongs in Suckage.

[Nija]

Originally posted by eSDeeLoco
Linkage please.

from yesterday:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/valley/la-me-sfcruiser12dec12,0,6405535.story?coll=la%2Deditions%2Dvalley
[quote]
An unidentified homeless man sleeping on a sidewalk near the Crenshaw Plaza mall in Baldwin Hills was struck and killed early Wednesday when a police car veered out of control and onto the sidewalk, authorities said.

The two police officers were injured when their car then struck a wall.

An investigation has been launched, which will look at speed as a factor, said Lt. Horace Frank, a spokesman for the Los Angeles Police Department. Skid marks and other evidence will be examined to determine how fast the police car was going when it jumped the curb, he said.

The officers were responding to a backup call when the accident occurred about 5:30 a.m. near Crenshaw and Martin Luther King Jr. boulevards.

The officers were not identified.
/quote]
If anyone wants to search more, on latimes.com you need to register =\

there was also
5 Injured in Collision of 2 Vans With 3 Cruisers Called to Pursuit (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-deputy10dec10.story) recently

[TofuNinja]

What a way to wake up... LAPD running you over... oh yeah....sad really maybe this is part of the new chiefs anti homeless program....

[Grimm]

Hmmm, they were responding to a backup call. So they were rushing to asist other cops that might be in danger. Sounds reasonable to me.
Here's a clue... don't sleep on a sidewalk. It's dangerous... anything could happen.

It's a common sense thing, you don't let your children lay down and take a nap on the sidewalk... Why sould the cops be held accountable for somone who should have known better? My main concern would be the property damage.

[TofuNinja]

yeah sounds ok to me but they were saying on the news that it wasn't a high code backup call and that they might have been speeding.... that is what I heard not agreeing with it just what the news says

[Nija]

A police officer, drive the speed limit? Impossible, they either drive like a old woman, or like a drugged up football player.

[Merlin]

Originally posted by Grimm
Hmmm, they were responding to a backup call. So they were rushing to asist other cops that might be in danger. Sounds reasonable to me.
Here's a clue... don't sleep on a sidewalk. It's dangerous... anything could happen.

It's a common sense thing, you don't let your children lay down and take a nap on the sidewalk... Why sould the cops be held accountable for somone who should have known better? My main concern would be the property damage.

I completely disagree. Last time I checked the sidewalk was supposed to be safe from cars. You should be able to walk, sit or whatever and not be endangered by out of control cops.

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by Grimm
My main concern would be the property damage.

How very humanist of you :rolleyes: . "He's poor, so f*** him."

[CornMonkey]

you guys do realize that the black&white veered out of control cuz another car hit it, right? it's not like the squad car felt like driving over the curb and running over a homeless man or anything. sure, speed may be an issue but one can't overlook the fact that the death was caused as an aftermath of a two-car collision.

[TofuNinja]

Did he hit another car? There have been so many of these cop cars crashing into thing that sometimes the facts get blurred. You may be thinking of the one where two cop cars hit each other full speed at an intersection. I have to read the story again. I thought he lost control and hit a homeless sleeping dude on his way to smashing into a wall or something.

[Grimm]

Originally posted by zenbooty


How very humanist of you :rolleyes: . "He's poor, so f*** him."
Thanks for the flame and for putting the words into my mouth.
/begin sarcasm
You seem to be an icon of tolerance yourself.
/end sarcasm
A person’s value in society consists of two things. Their contributions to society and their potential contributions to society, for example, a child has a negative contribution to society, it consumes resources (education, food, clothing, shelter) but a huge potential (future service, taxes, invention, eventually produce more children, and so on) so therefore a child has a large value to society. A bum has very little value to society. Negative contribution, he consumes resources (public services, food, welfare programs) and has very low potential to contribute in the future. A bum has no value to society. So socially I don't consider it a loss.

I do not contend that the bum has every right to live and exist in society. So long as he obeys the laws it's not a problem, if people want to help him by providing food that's fine. I think it's good that we have programs to help these people with our tax dollars. His death is a tragedy, but nothing I am going to lose sleep over. So many horrible things happen every day; rapes, murders, fraud, theft, torture, J Lo, and war. I will ration my sympathy to those most deserving of it. I can only spend so much time worrying about other people.

I chose to worry about people I can make a difference about or that can make a difference in society. I am a Realist. Humanists talk about how much better it would be to fix something. Realists are the ones who actually fix it.

[Merlin]

Wow Grimm, Stalin would be so proud of you. People are not here to serve society but rather society exists to serve the people.

[TofuNinja]

speedfreak... your new picture is freaking me out....

[Sir_Froggy]

Originally posted by Grimm

His death is a tragedy, but nothing I am going to lose sleep over. So many horrible things happen every day; rapes, murders, fraud, theft, torture, J Lo, and war.

hmm....desensitized?

lol J Lo :heh:

if they can't sleep on the sidewalks, where will they sleep?

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by Grimm
Thanks for the flame and for putting the words into my mouth.
Hey, all I did was quote what you said. And if you look at the context in which you said it, I still think my point was valid.

/begin sarcasm
You seem to be an icon of tolerance yourself.
/end sarcasm
When have I shown intolerance to anybody? Just because I disagree with many of the views expressed here doesn't make me intolerant of them. Hell this is a forum, I expect to disagree! Its not as if I believe its no big deal if innocent people who I don't happen to see as a benefit to society are killed carelessly.

A person’s value in society consists of two things... (much scary blather)
Man, you're quite the solipsist social engineer, aren't you? Good to see you putting so much value on human life for its own sake.

Reminds me of a song from long ago....(maestro!)


Efficiency and progress is ours once more,
Now that we have the Neutron Bomb
Its nice and quick and clean and gets things done!
Away with excess enemy,
With no less value to property,
No sense in war but perfect sense at home!

The sun beams down on a brand new day,
No more welfare tax to pay,
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light!
Jobless millions whisked away,
At last we have more room to play,
All systems go to kill the poor tonight!

Gonna
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor!
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor!
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight!

Behold the sparkle of champagne,
The crime rate's gone, feel free again!
Oh life's a dream with you, Miss Lily White!
Jane Fonda on the screen today,
Convinced the liberals, "It's OK!"
So let's get dressed and dance away the night...

While they
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor!
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor!
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight!

[Grimm]

Originally posted by zenbooty

Hey, all I did was quote what you said.
Really? Exactly where did I say:

Originally posted by zenbooty

"He's poor, so f*** him."

In case you are wondering, I am calling you a liar here. And you did say "quote", not paraphrase, so don't try to back out of it that way.

[molecularfire]

Originally posted by Merlin
Wow Grimm, Stalin would be so proud of you. People are not here to serve society but rather society exists to serve the people.
I disagree. It has to be a symbiotic relationship or neither will survive. One of the things that I think is wrong with our society (don't get me wrong, there are a lot of things right about it also) is that people feel that they are entitled to everything. Someone gets fat, they feel that they are entitled to sue MacDonalds, someone gets sick, they feel that they are entitled to free medical care, people get hungry they feel that they are entitled to get food, etc... Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with programs to help people down on their luck, but there are a LOT of people who are very good at using the system (heck, my neighborhood is full of them). These programs are a luxury that we as a rich society indulge in when we have the resources. People should look at it that way instead of thinking that society is obligated to do whatever they can for everybody. Help yourself. There are a LOT of jobs out there for people. Granted they do not pay very well and they are a lot of work. I know people who chose to leech off society instead of taking these jobs. I think that is wrong.

[Merlin]

Originally posted by molecularfire

I disagree. It has to be a symbiotic relationship or neither will survive. One of the things that I think is wrong with our society (don't get me wrong, there are a lot of things right about it also) is that people feel that they are entitled to everything. Someone gets fat, they feel that they are entitled to sue MacDonalds, someone gets sick, they feel that they are entitled to free medical care, people get hungry they feel that they are entitled to get food, etc... Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with programs to help people down on their luck, but there are a LOT of people who are very good at using the system (heck, my neighborhood is full of them). These programs are a luxury that we as a rich society indulge in when we have the resources. People should look at it that way instead of thinking that society is obligated to do whatever they can for everybody. Help yourself. There are a LOT of jobs out there for people. Granted they do not pay very well and they are a lot of work. I know people who chose to leech off society instead of taking these jobs. I think that is wrong.

No arguement that leeches are bad. But, with all due respect, that is not the point. What I was trying to say is that a person's "value" is a function of their character not how hard they toil to make things easier for Grimm or any of us.

I am, without a doubt, not a fan of big social programs but I do realize that they are necessary in a certain form. But hell, that's a different debate altogether.

Back to the serving society thing. I come from a country (the USA) that was founded on the idea of "you go over there and make a life for yourself and we won't mess with you" You know, think of how the west was won. Society just came about to help us on those unfortunate times when we had to deal with one another. So I'll be damned if I'm here to serve society. It is here to serve us.

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by Grimm
My main concern would be the property damage.

That was my quote of you, you blooming idiot. The F*** the poor was my interpretation. And a pretty fair one, given the context in which you said it. Understand now? Or do I need to use smaller words for you?

Liar, my ass. :angry:

[molecularfire]

What I was trying to say is that a person's "value" is a function of their character not how hard they toil to make things easier for Grimm or any of us.
I agree. However, I think that if a person was a leech (btw, I'm not saying that the guy they ran over was a leech. It is possible that there is a legitimate reason why he was homeless) that is a reflection of their character.


I am, without a doubt, not a fan of big social programs but I do realize that they are necessary in a certain form. But hell, that's a different debate altogether.
No debate here. I agree with this.


Back to the serving society thing. I come from a country (the USA) that was founded on the idea of "you go over there and make a life for yourself and we won't mess with you" You know, think of how the west was won. Society just came about to help us on those unfortunate times when we had to deal with one another. So I'll be damned if I'm here to serve society. It is here to serve us.
Unfortunately, the west is already won. Yes, if you can separate yourself from society, then there is no reason why you should have anything to do with society. However, you drive on it's roads, you are protected by it's laws, heck, it gets rid of your trash. All of the stuff that we've been able to do has been because of teamwork... a bunch of people get together and get stuff done that either alone can't. If it wasn't for society, you would not have been able to do your job (not you specifically because I don't know what your job is, but everybody) because we'd be spending all our time trying to figure out how to get food and shelter to worry about other stuff. I'd like to argue that most (if not all) of the problems in our lives (crime, national debt, war, etc...)is because of people who are interested in what's good for themselves as individuals rather than what's good for their fellow man.