Gun control

[TERRIBLETOM]

I'm curious to know what everyone's views are on gun control. Personally I believe that we have the right to bare arms, of course there are exceptions to every rule, but if you are a law abiding citizen and you have no prior record there should be no reason why you should be denied. Before I vote for anyone who is going to represent me I will always check on there views for my right to bare arms.

[sbp]

Absolutely people have the right to own a firearm no matter what some loony court says (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54344).

I really wish groups like Handgun Control would stop trying to grab guns from law-abiding citizens hands and enact their ultimate goal of a total gun ban. btw some of these "gun laws" already passed are unconstitutional.

[TERRIBLETOM]

btw some of these "gun laws" already passed are unconstitutional. [/B][/QUOTE]

We need to stop voting in these anti-gun politicians into office!

[johnnymk]

I got a call from the NRA several months ago(which I belong to). They were explaining that Tom McCain is part of a group which wants to ban gun shows. What is this guy trying to prove and what exactly did he learn as a Vietnam Veteran?

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by johnnymk
I got a call from the NRA several months ago(which I belong to). They were explaining that Tom McCain is part of a group which wants to ban gun shows. What is this guy trying to prove and what exactly did he learn as a Vietnam Veteran?
I am also a member of the NRA and an active member at my gun club. If we are to stand up to these politicians we must follow the NRA and Goal when they demonstrate PEACEFUL protest at the stairs of our state houses, so instead of seeing a thousand people they will see a far greater number of active gun owners supporting our right to bare arms.

[johnnymk]

I think his name is John McCain...but I am not sure:confused:

[Cubsfan]

Personally, I don't like it when gun control means taking away the right to have guns. Now, if gun control refers to a process of "fingerprinting" a gun or something, then I don't mind so much.

The group that I think is doing much less good in things like this than they think they are is the NRA. I'm sorry, but they are, in general, just too extreme. I think that hurts them in the view of most citizens. They don't see the NRA as a group of responsible gun owners who want to keep their guns, they see them as a bunch of right-wing extremists who's answer to everything crime related is "own a gun."

Anyway, just my thoughts on it.

[molecularfire]

I personally think the second amendment is outdated and should be revised or eliminated altogether. We no longer live in the world that that amendment was made in. That being said, since we haven't repealed that amendment, the right to bear arms is still a protected right and banning guns is wrong. However, I think we should make the punishments for using guns in the act of breaking the law more serious (heck, it would be nice if we just even enforced the laws that we have now). Think about it this way... use a gun while robbing a bank, get automatic death penalty. Use a gun in a drive, get automatic death penalty. Use a gun to fire into the air on New Years, get insert here tatoo'd on thigh and 6 months of jail time. Use a gun to blow the brains of some guy who broke into your house, get free replacement bullets.

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by molecularfire
I personally think the second amendment is outdated and should be revised or eliminated altogether. We no longer live in the world that that amendment was made in. That being said, since we haven't repealed that amendment, the right to bear arms is still a protected right and banning guns is wrong. However, I think we should make the punishments for using guns in the act of breaking the law more serious (heck, it would be nice if we just even enforced the laws that we have now). Think about it this way... use a gun while robbing a bank, get automatic death penalty. Use a gun in a drive, get automatic death penalty. Use a gun to fire into the air on New Years, get insert here tatoo'd on thigh and 6 months of jail time. Use a gun to blow the brains of some guy who broke into your house, get free replacement bullets. I agree that crimes that involve death with a gun should be taken more seriously than it is now, but any crime involving a premeditated death should fall along the same lines. The federal government carries the death penalty for such crimes but many states do not, I think I will start a new thread on the death penalty.

[Cantacuzene]

As a gun owner I can unbiasedly say that the NRA doesnt have my interests in mind. They are only concerned with their right wing agenda and not with actual freedoms they profess to care so much about.

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by johnnymk
I think his name is John McCain...but I am not sure:confused:

Yes, it is John McCain, and the things he learned in the Vietnam war apparently revolved around trying to build up a hero complex while biting the hand that saved him.

Guys like him make me wish the AA gunners in Hanoi were better shots. :hmm:

[Cantacuzene]

I love how you repuiblicans are so against McCain. He is the future of your party. The republicans do as good as they can to be centrist, at least in public, and then you bash all the moderate republicans. You cant have it both ways.

[sbp]

Like the Democrats don't do the same. http://www.pcabusers.net/forums/images/smilies/rude.gif

McCain has a taken a sad turn to the left-thats cause Arizona is drifting leftward. And no, he is not the future of the Republican party.


Originally posted by Cantacuzene
As a gun owner I can unbiasedly say that the NRA doesnt have my interests in mind. They are only concerned with their right wing agenda and not with actual freedoms they profess to care so much about. And does Handgun Control have your gun owning interests in mind?


We need to stop voting in these anti-gun politicians into office!Kathleen Kennedy Townsend was recently defeated in the Marylands governors race partly due to her gun grabbing stance. Unfortunately there are those who will vote to ban all guns due to the mistaken belief it'll make everyone safer. http://home.earthlink.net/~sbp777/pics/bleh.gif

About "fingerprinting" a gun: the ballistics of a firearm can change.

What other amendments are outdated and should be revised or eliminated altogether molecularfire?

It was the NRA that came up with Project Exile (http://www.vahv.org/Exile/) which is cracking down on gun carrying felons. The NRA continues to teach gun safety programs (http://www.nrahq.org/safety/) like it has done for decades.

Maybe the NRA is extremist but they need to be in the face of such radical gun grabbing groups. Thank God for the NRA!

[johnnymk]

I love when the term "Extremist" is used and it generally is applied to the right wingers. What about the Left Wing Extremists? Where are they today, or are they just so much a part of the fabric of America that they aren't even mentioned?

[Cantacuzene]

Left wing extremists do exist, but they usually arent in power. Most hard core communists dont believe in elected govenments peacfully constituted by the people.

The difference between left wing nutballs and rightwing nuts balls is that the left wing admit to being revolutionary nutballs while the right wing ones consider themselves good patriotic americans.

[Cantacuzene]

Originally posted by sbp

And does Handgun Control have your gun owning interests in mind

Nope, but luckily I don't rely on their support. I personally could care less about the petty squabbles of selfinterested politicians and interest groups. As long as I have a copy of the Constitution in my possession my gun is perfectly safe.