Death Penalty

[TERRIBLETOM]

This thread is a spin off from another concerning gun control. I personally am in favor of the death penalty where the crime involving the death of innocent people has been proven to be premeditated (Example, belt way snipper)

[Cantacuzene]

The horse is dead, you may stop beating it.

[johnnymk]

I totally agree with the death penalty.
Some people say that it is not really a deterrent to crime, but at least it gets rid of one more creep off of this planet. And that's good enough for me.

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
The horse is dead, you may stop beating it. I guess you would call that practicing your first amendment rights.

[Ladogaboy]

My problem with the death penalty is that it wastes so many valuable resources. Of course, that is my problem with the penal system in general. :hmm:

Anyway, I'm tired of hearing about prisoners' rights. I say put the dumbsh1ts to work. At least let society get something productive out of them. I mean, imagine how many resources the inmates of this country could process into usuable products each year? Wow. There might not even be a reason to exploit third world countries anymore. :idea:

Of course, the other option to reduce the waste in natural resources is to just kill them out right, so they don't take up valuable food and resources that can be used to support and help out poor families in this country.

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by Ladogaboy
Anyway, I'm tired of hearing about prisoners' rights. I say put the dumbsh1ts to work. At least let society get something productive out of them. I agree, put them to work. I'm sure the government or states can find something useful for them to do.

[eSDee]

TERRIBLETOM NEEDS TO CHANGE HIS NAME TO TerribleTom SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HE'S SCREAMING HIS NAME ALL THE TIME!!!

I BELIEVE THE DEATH PENALTY IS ACCEPTABLE.

~eSDee

[sbp]

Being stuck with a name like TerribleTom is well terrible. :o
How about PleasantTom instead? Or NotSoBadTom? Or KinderAndGentlerTom? Yeah there are many possibilities. http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/smileyNoddingHeadYes.gif

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by sbp
Being stuck with a name like TerribleTom is well terrible. :o
How about PleasantTom instead? Or NotSoBadTom? Or KinderAndGentlerTom? Yeah there are many possibilities. http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/smileyNoddingHeadYes.gif It's nice to see you have a sense of humor, what three letters in the alphabet are you going to learn next?:D

[gwilks98]

Originally posted by sbp
Being stuck with a name like TerribleTom is well terrible. :o
How about PleasantTom instead? Or NotSoBadTom? Or KinderAndGentlerTom? Yeah there are many possibilities. http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/smileyNoddingHeadYes.gif

How about CHRISTMASTOM? That sounds pretty terrible...

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by eSDeeLoco
TERRIBLETOM NEEDS TO CHANGE HIS NAME TO TerribleTom SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HE'S SCREAMING HIS NAME ALL THE TIME!!!
~eSDee I apologize for the notion that you believe I'm screaming my name, at the time of registration I hadn't realized it was put in that way, but I try to always look on the upside of things, It was spelt correctly.

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by gwilks98


How about CHRISTMASTOM? That sounds pretty terrible... It's nice to see the clique group is alive and well this morning, I'm happy to say I'm not a follower.

[Cantacuzene]

Originally posted by TERRIBLETOM
It's nice to see the clique group is alive and well this morning, I'm happy to say I'm not a follower.

What in the Lord's name are you taljking about?

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene


What in the Lord's name are you taljking about?
Me thinks he's trying to feel special :D

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In regards to the whole death penalty issue. I believe in it.
Now, the reason why some of us are not don't really jump in there and start a nice and healthy debate is because well, this is an age old issue that has been discussed many times here. What next? Abortion? Racism? Religion??

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by Jihforce

Me thinks he's trying to feel special :D Nah, lot of monkey see monkey do around here, some just can't step out of there shells and be themselves, they have this fear inside of maybe not being liked. Geez, god forbid if your controversial. I have an idea, lets play follow the leader, will the head clique person please step forward.

[mojo]

Originally posted by TERRIBLETOM
Nah, lot of monkey see monkey do around here, some just can't step out of there shells and be themselves, they have this fear inside of maybe not being liked. Geez, god forbid if your controversial. I have an idea, lets play follow the leader, will the head clique person please step forward. woah dude, time to up the dosage.

[whitak24]

Originally posted by TERRIBLETOM
Nah, lot of monkey see monkey do around here, some just can't step out of there shells and be themselves, they have this fear inside of maybe not being liked. Geez, god forbid if your controversial. I have an idea, lets play follow the leader, will the head clique person please step forward.
tom, please calm down, and have a couple rounds on the house :cheers: :cheers:

first, if you notice, we've had a number of threads around here over the past couple weeks talking about "christmas" being declared offensive and such. so after sbp jokingly suggested some other names instead of "terrible", gwilkes jumped in and suggested "christmas" (ie: christmas being declared offensive, therefore is something of a substitute for "terrible"). it was a joke, not an attempt to put anyone down or play "follow the leader".

secondly, i'm not sure where the "monkey see, monkey do" comment is aimed. if you look around, i think you'll see plenty of healthy discussion on a variety of topics (except for the RIAA....everyone hates the RIAA :hihi: ). people here disagree frequently, and they aren't exactly afraid to be controversial. just ask cantacuzene :D

as for the cliques.....damn, i wasn't really aware of any. maybe it's just that no one likes me and so they don't invite me to join their clique :bawl:

:P

just relax, try to join the conversations here, and have a good time. we're really not all that bad ;)

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by whitak24

tom, please calm down, and have a couple rounds on the house :cheers: :cheers:

first, if you notice, we've had a number of threads around here over the past couple weeks talking about "christmas" being declared offensive and such. so after sbp jokingly suggested some other names instead of "terrible", gwilkes jumped in and suggested "christmas" (ie: christmas being declared offensive, therefore is something of a substitute for "terrible"). it was a joke, not an attempt to put anyone down or play "follow the leader".

secondly, i'm not sure where the "monkey see, monkey do" comment is aimed. if you look around, i think you'll see plenty of healthy discussion on a variety of topics (except for the RIAA....everyone hates the RIAA :hihi: ). people here disagree frequently, and they aren't exactly afraid to be controversial. just ask cantacuzene :D

as for the cliques.....damn, i wasn't really aware of any. maybe it's just that no one likes me and so they don't invite me to join their clique :bawl:

:P

just relax, try to join the conversations here, and have a good time. we're really not all that bad ;) Sounds very resonable to me...

[Ladogaboy]

tom, please calm down, and have a couple rounds on the house :cheers: :cheers:

first, if you notice, we've had a number of threads around here over the past couple weeks talking about "christmas" being declared offensive and such. so after sbp jokingly suggested some other names instead of "terrible", gwilkes jumped in and suggested "christmas" (ie: christmas being declared offensive, therefore is something of a substitute for "terrible"). it was a joke, not an attempt to put anyone down or play "follow the leader".

secondly, i'm not sure where the "monkey see, monkey do" comment is aimed. if you look around, i think you'll see plenty of healthy discussion on a variety of topics (except for the RIAA....everyone hates the RIAA :hihi: ). people here disagree frequently, and they aren't exactly afraid to be controversial. just ask cantacuzene :D

as for the cliques.....damn, i wasn't really aware of any. maybe it's just that no one likes me and so they don't invite me to join their clique :bawl:

:P

just relax, try to join the conversations here, and have a good time. we're really not all that bad ;)

and lastly, no one around here plays follow the leader.

[joe52985]

Originally posted by Ladogaboy
tom, please calm down, and have a couple rounds on the house :cheers: :cheers:

first, if you notice,blah blah blah

wtf? lol i think i get it heh, still had me confused for a good 10 seconds...:P

tommy boy, glad to see your not afraid to speak up even though your fairly new. I look forward to many back and forths between you and cantacuzene :P

[whitak24]

Originally posted by Ladogaboy
and lastly, no one around here plays follow the leader.
that was just wrong, man :2far: :disa:

:hihi:

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by joe52985


wtf? lol i think i get it heh, still had me confused for a good 10 seconds...:P

tommy boy, glad to see your not afraid to speak up even though your fairly new. I look forward to many back and forths between you and cantacuzene :P :cheers:

[Cantacuzene]

I personally agree with the death penalty, its a time honored tradition, though the deterrent value is dubious.

However, I would prefer mutilations. I know that sounds rough or cruel but I think these people would be better off if we cut off their thumbs and had them sterilized and their eyes put out. It can be done painlessly. It gives the murderer a chance to correct his life and honestly repent for his crimes and maybe find some personal salvation. I am realistic and realize we will never have that, so the death penalty is the next best thing.

[Dave_7]

Originally posted by sbp
Being stuck with a name like TerribleTom is well terrible...


I still think EvilHorace has the coolest name in the all the G|A? forums.


And... Go death penalty! Go!

Does it deter crime? In reality, perhaps not as much as I think it does...

... but I believe that a lack of a death penalty encourages crime.


Make sense?




Dave.

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by Dave_7





... but I believe that a lack of a death penalty encourages crime.


Make sense?




Dave. Makes sense to me...

[EvilHorace]

Oh what the heck, now that someone brought me here I might as well add a bit to this.
Although having a death penalty might not in itself ever deter any crime, one thing's certain about killing a criminal and that's that he'll never do it again. One less A-hole to worry about.
Would you rather have THAT guy get out on good behavior or some other BS reason and move into your nieghborhood, like next door?
I didn't think so.

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by EvilHorace
Oh what the heck, now that someone brought me here I might as well add a bit to this.
Although having a death penalty might not in itself ever deter any crime, one thing's certain about killing a criminal and that's that he'll never do it again. One less A-hole to worry about.
Would you rather have THAT guy get out on good behavior or some other BS reason and move into your nieghborhood, like next door?
I didn't think so. I agree with that...

[mink]

I’m for the death penalty, lethal injection is to civilized... nuke em

[EvilHorace]

Alright, I've returned and re-read this thread and although I havent seen his other threads, from what I'm seeing here, not only do I like his name of TERRIBLETOM :) (and OK, maybe I would right?) but in this thread, I'm not seeing him being obnoxious or saying anything worthy of needing more alcohol or meds.

[bachviet]

I agree on the death penalty but it should come faster instead of 10 to 20 years in California!

[joe52985]

I think for some of these totally psycho murderers, the death penalty is an easy way out. Life in solitary confinement, now THATS torture. I realize our prisons dont have the capacity for solitary confinement for every murderer but it might be more of a deterant than just killing them.

[dbax791]

Originally posted by Ladogaboy
My problem with the death penalty is that it wastes so many valuable resources.

Definately! That 750 Watts wasted on the chair would be much better used powering my stereo! :D

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by joe52985
I think for some of these totally psycho murderers, the death penalty is an easy way out. Life in solitary confinement, now THATS torture. I realize our prisons dont have the capacity for solitary confinement for every murderer but it might be more of a deterant than just killing them. I do agree that keeping them in solitary confinement is pure torture for them, the torture for us will be that it takes American tax payer dollars to feed them cloth them and everything else just to keep that bastard alive. I have a friend who works for the middlesex county sherifs department here in Massachusetts, His health plan that is provided by the state will not pay for name brand medication if there is a generic available but the inmates are provided these same name brand medications with no problems.

[whitak24]

Originally posted by TERRIBLETOM
I do agree that keeping them in solitary confinement is pure torture for them, the torture for us will be that it takes American tax payer dollars to feed them cloth them and everything else just to keep that bastard alive.
death penality cases cost far more than lifetime imprisonment ever well. between all the appeals, all the extra work that is gone through to ensure guilt, etc, not to mention the cost of the execution, it's not exactly an efficient use of resources

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by whitak24

death penality cases cost far more than lifetime imprisonment ever well. between all the appeals, all the extra work that is gone through to ensure guilt, etc, not to mention the cost of the execution, it's not exactly an efficient use of resources I would like to see the numbers on that to back up your statement, not that I don't doubt you, for me it would have to be a matter of fact.

[sbp]

Originally posted by whitak24 who is part of the clique whether he knows it or not
death penality cases cost far more than lifetime imprisonment ever well. between all the appeals, all the extra work that is gone through to ensure guilt, etc, not to mention the cost of the execution, it's not exactly an efficient use of resources So speed up the executions.
:duh:

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by TERRIBLETOM
I would like to see the numbers on that to back up your statement, not that I don't doubt you, for me it would have to be a matter of fact.

I don't remember the source, but I believe that the average cost of defending a death row inmate was over a million dollars. :shrug: Maybe someone can search down a source that verifies the average legal costs.

[WhiskeyPapa]

The claim that the death penalty costs more than life without parole is an often-quoted claim when arguing against the death penalty. Opponents claim that the death penalty costs, over time, 3-10 times more than life without parole.

As with any statistics, they can be spun to make them say whatever you want. Personally, I don't believe them. The death penalty costs reside mainly in the cost of appeals. Life without parole prisoners get the same appeals that should be considered to bear the same costs. On top of that, life without parole prisoners face, on average, 30 to 40 years in prison while the annual cost of incarceration is $40,000 to $50,000 a year for each prisoner or more.

I'm kind of on the fence as far at the death penalty is concerned, but the "cost" of either option does not influence my opinion.

Now, I believe that prison (or the death penalty for that matter) should be viewed as "punishment", and not as a "deterrence".

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by kb0wwp
As with any statistics, they can be spun to make them say whatever you want. Personally, I don't believe them. The death penalty costs reside mainly in the cost of appeals. Life without parole prisoners get the same appeals that should be considered to bear the same costs.

I'm not sure if I can agree on you there. I BELIEVE that death row inmates actually get additional appeals... far more than the average prisoner with a life sentence. For some reason, spending your life in prison is not considered as bad as just being killed outright. :hmm:

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by Ladogaboy
I'm not sure if I can agree on you there. I BELIEVE that death row inmates actually get additional appeals... far more than the average prisoner with a life sentence. For some reason, spending your life in prison is not considered as bad as just being killed outright. :hmm:

I think its more to do with the fact that if you spend life in prison, and later on evidence comes available which exonerates you, they can let you out.

Once they flip the switch to the chair, however, there is no going back. So the prisoner get extra appeals to (hopefully) make sure the law gets it right.

Executed murderers HAVE been found innocent post-mortem. Anyone who wants to speed up the process toward execution should think about what it would be like to be an innocent person being railroaded to their deaths by a system "expedited" for taxpayer convenience. And anyone who takes the attitude "well, a few broken eggs can't be avoided if crime is to be deterred" ought to reply and let us know they'd be willing to sit in that chair and fry as an innocent if that would be best for the rest of us.

[i6s1]

I think that:

1. The death penalty is not a deterant to crime.

2. A life sentance serves the same public safety effect as death for public saftey, in that someone who is in prison cannot hurt the general popluation.

3. The cost of the death penalty is overall not much different from life in prison. With a death penalty, the average inmate spends 10 years on death row, with an endless parade of appeals and court appearances.

4. I believe that God should be the true authority of who lives and dies.

[Dave_7]

Originally posted by i6s1
I think that:


4. I believe that God should be the true authority of who lives and dies.


How does that apply to those who die at the hand of a murderer?

They were not afforded that luxury.

Or do you believe that God determined that the person should be murdered?








Dave.

[i6s1]

"Should" being the operative word.

To clarify, I think that people should not murder, either.

[Hunny]

I agree with the death penalty...Kill all those bastids that deserve to die :eek:
The law should read...
1. You F&^% up...
2. You get caught...
3. You're convicted without a doubt..all evidence points to you..there isn't a question as to whether you've done the crime...
4. Death...

The penalty is Great!!....but not fast enough...For example:

There was a serial killer that lived in the town next to me... "Michael Ross"... Killed a lot of college girls down south..bringing his sorry self to CT to kill more...He finally got caught almost red handed, raping & murdering a young girl that lived no more than 10 miles from me...there was no doubt he did it..or any of them...he even admitted to the murders...even told authoritys where some of the dead women were that had been missing for years...
Anyhow..the SOB was convicted..and has been sitting on death row for almost 20 yrs...makes you wonder huh :hmm:
Now ...if those rules above were in motion...we all know where he'd be now..don't we...
So...sure...I agree with the death penalty...just get me that extension cord so I can plug in that chair and we'll be all fired up ready to go :D

[Hunny]

Originally posted by i6s1
I think that:

1. The death penalty is not a deterant to crime.

2. A life sentance serves the same public safety effect as death for public saftey, in that someone who is in prison cannot hurt the general popluation.

3. The cost of the death penalty is overall not much different from life in prison. With a death penalty, the average inmate spends 10 years on death row, with an endless parade of appeals and court appearances.

4. I believe that God should be the true authority of who lives and dies.

In response to 1-4 :

1. Maybe we can threaten death row candidates with no tv room priviledges or library time like the rest of the prisoners. I know if I were thinking about killing someone, that surely would make me think twice.... :rolleyes:

2. Why should they live if they just raped & murdered a child or two women..or a little boy...blah blah blah.. ? ohhhhh..I know..so they can have tv room priviledges.. :rolleyes:

3. You're right...it takes too damn long...I offered my services to fire the chair up....Pass me that plug..will you.

4. God should be...but he isn't...and this is a religion statement anyhow...which is a whole other topic...Don't get me going..lol..

Ok..now I'm pissy :P

[TERRIBLETOM]

I know that money is a big issue when it comes to what is cheaper a life sentence or death in what ever form it may take. But if an innocent life is priceless, should it mater to what is just? I believe that even the bibles says an eye for an eye somewhere in there...

[Cantacuzene]

If you are pyschotic enough that the death penalty doesnt deterre you then you prolly need to be put down for safeties sake.:P

[Hunny]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
If you are pyschotic enough that the death penalty doesnt deterre you then you prolly need to be put down for safeties sake.:P


I hear you "Canta" good point !!! If your dumb ass kills someone & you aren't thinking of the consequences before hand..then you deserve to be fried immediately...peronally the threat of no tv privileges scares me...I wonder :hmm: ...do they have computers...& more importantly....do they have an apex forum :P