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brainsmile
12-31-2002, 01:05 AM
WASHINGTON (Dec. 30) - Americans believe by a 2-to-1 margin that it's prudent to hold off on more tax cuts, a centerpiece of President Bush's domestic policy agenda, an Associated Press poll found.

They greet the new year more cautious about their personal spending yet somewhat optimistic their financial situation will improve.

On the international front, the poll found people wary of a war with Iraq and much more likely to view Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida network as threats than Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

Those anxieties were voiced by Joanne Arriola, a 62-year-old retiree from a utility company in Butte, Mont. She's seen her retirement fund reduced sharply by the troubled economy, worries about the effects of a war in Iraq and is convinced that war will return to America.

''It's a scary new year,'' she said. ''My children are too old to go, but a lot of young people aren't.

''When the war starts, it will start here, too. I think that once we're in the war, we're going to see something on our soil.''

Two-thirds said they were worried that war with Iraq would increase chances of a terror attack in the United States, according to the poll conducted by ICR/International Communications Research of Media, Pa.

On economics, even most Republicans said it would be better to hold off on tax cuts to avoid deeper deficits. The White House is putting together tax cuts that could total $300 billion. It would feature lower taxes on shareholders' dividends, accelerate the 2001 tax cuts for all but the wealthiest Americans and provide new depreciation breaks for businesses.

''My husband and I decided to pay off all our debts,'' said Julia Kerner, 37, a pharmacy technician from Frederick, Md., ''and I think it's better for the government to wait on more tax cuts. They are a quick fix, but they start undermining the income coming in to support this or that program.''

Almost half, 44 percent, said they expect their family's financial situation will be better a year from now. That's a more optimistic view of the future than a year ago, when a third felt that way. The poll of 1,008 adults was taken Dec. 13-17 and has an error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Republicans were more optimistic than Democrats and young adults significantly more optimistic than older people.

But if many people are expecting the economy to improve, they're also watching their spending more carefully. In the poll, 44 percent said they were now more cautious about what they spend than they had been, while half have not changed spending habits. That's up from 30 percent who said they were cautious about spending in the spring of 2000, before the nation's economic bubble began to deflate.

Women had a more cautious outlook than men, blacks more cautious than whites.

The economic uneasiness was evident even though public support for President Bush remains strong in polls generally, especially his performance on fighting terrorists. Bush already has given the go-ahead to double the 50,000 U.S. troop deployment in the Persian Gulf region in early January for possible war with Iraq, according to administration officials.

Women were more likely than men, by a margin of 40 percent to 26 percent, to say they worry a great deal about the increased threat of attacks in case of war.

By a 2-to-1 margin, people said they saw bin Laden as more of a threat than Iraq and Saddam. People were more inclined to see al-Qaida as a threat by about the same 2-1 margin, no matter their age, sex, income level or race.

''Those in al-Qaida are the ones who brought terrorism to the forefront,'' pharmacy technician Kerner said.

faither
12-31-2002, 06:31 AM
Cuts right now wouldn't be prudent but who wouldn't want a few more shekels in their pocket. :D

whitak24
12-31-2002, 07:45 AM
of course tax cuts are wonderful when you get more money back, but long-term they're pretty bad, becuase it's just going to drive up the debt, which means that down the road, we're going to be paying more in interest.

besides, i don't think more tax cuts right now are going to spur the economy, contrary to what the supply-siders would have us to believe.

Cantacuzene
12-31-2002, 10:25 AM
I don't think teh first series of tax cuts did anything beneficial. When will certain people learn that tax cuts for the rich DO NOT HELP THE ECONOMY.

The way I've always noticed it is if you want to feed a hungry person you give the hungry guy the food, you don't give some rich guy at a fancy resturaunt a discount and hope he uses the savings towards helping the starving guy. Does that make sense?

sbp
12-31-2002, 12:29 PM
The across the board tax cuts weren't just for the rich.

This deficit spending results from spending too much money. Here's an idea that rarely cross the minds of those spendthrifts in DC: cut the budget :eek:

Nija
12-31-2002, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by sbp
This deficit spending results from spending too much money. Here's an idea that rarely cross the minds of those spendthrifts in DC: cut the budget :eek:

Let's start with their salaries :D

Then we can work on the idiots spending money on how fast ketchup flows out of a bottle :angry:

InfiniteNothing
12-31-2002, 01:08 PM
I'm with Canta. Tax cuts don't help the economy. In fact I find it hard to belive that any blunt instrument the Federal government uses could help anything. If we cut back on the Federal Government spending and increase Local Government spending we can fine tune how this money gets out into the public and put it in places where it needs to go.

TERRIBLETOM
12-31-2002, 01:50 PM
I think the national debt was caused mostly by years of mismanagement of our tax dollars, on a smaller scale (state) I see it frequently and then even a smaller scale than that (city/town) you can read it in the paper all the time. For example, the city I live in hired an outside business to decorate our cities common for Christmas, you mean to tell me they cant find a few city workers to string a few lights? Or is it the unions telling us it's not in there job description, give me a break...

InfiniteNothing
12-31-2002, 02:06 PM
Good point. I hate money mismanagement. Still, I think that most of the time a city can make some good decisions. In anycase I'm not sure I was talking about THAT close of a government.

Cantacuzene
01-01-2003, 12:06 AM
Mismanagement aside I think the tax money has largely been misused buy the entire concept of the current tax system. I know this sounds revolutionarly and weird but its true: individual people pay taxes based on income. When I make $10 it gets taxed. Individual corporations pay tax based on profit.. When Pepsi makes $10 perhaps only .00001$ gets taxed.

Is that fair? I think not. Why is Pepsi Co. better than me in the eyes of our government? Because they make more money? Thats a sad statement if true. The Corporate-political structure is a total sham yet only a few people realize how screwed the average person is. For example....

Last year, my dad's non-incorporated business made 23$k income, he paid $2k in tax. Pepsi Co. made $900 billion in cash last year. They paid $.00000 in tax. All because they claim they spent that much in capital.

Corporations pay tax based on profit not income. Normal people pay tax based on income not profit. Ask yourself, "in whose favor is our tax system in favr of?"

TERRIBLETOM
01-01-2003, 12:17 AM
I understand what you are saying but if you are a company you are going to have costs of doing business, so in that case you will have a gross and net income. If you are an employee and most of your wages are taxable because most have no working expenses. But on another note I am a automotive technician and body man, every year i fill out an itemized deduction list, tools, work shoes etc. things I personally need to purchase to do my job, those I can write off on my taxes and I get a deduction from my gross pay. I hope this helped.

Cantacuzene
01-01-2003, 12:36 AM
I understand. Itemized deductions are only as good as the guy who fills out your return though. TO take my example further, my dad's only operating cost is paint, brushes, concept art materials and gasoline, yet can he deduct all of that? Prolly not.

The problem with corporations is they have "fancy book keeping" which allows them to write their profits anyway they want, so as to pay as litle tax as possible. Us working class people don't have "fancy book keeping" so we are screwed.

TERRIBLETOM
01-01-2003, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by Cantacuzene
I understand. Itemized deductions are only as good as the guy who fills out your return though. TO take my example further, my dad's only operating cost is paint, brushes, concept art materials and gasoline, yet can he deduct all of that? Prolly not.

The problem with corporations is they have "fancy book keeping" which allows them to write their profits anyway they want, so as to pay as litle tax as possible. Us working class people don't have "fancy book keeping" so we are screwed. Just to add to this quick, I use my truck for road service from time to time and traveling back and forth to the shop when there's a problem and I also write off personal vehicle usage, which covers just about everything to keep my truck going from gas to repairs.