Sex and is it cheating

[TERRIBLETOM]

When is it called cheating, only when you get married or make a commitment to one person and what difines that a ring? Then how would you define sex? Is kissing considered sex? Did former president Clinton have sex, did he cheat on his so called wife?

[InfiniteNothing]

Are you:
A) looking for a legal definition
B) Trying to find our own moral definitions out of curiousity
C) Trolling/neffing

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by InfiniteNothing
Are you:
A) looking for a legal definition
B) Trying to find our own moral definitions out of curiousity
C) Trolling/neffing This is a result of what someone stated in the abortion issue thread, I believe I saw your participation in a post.

[mojo]

Originally posted by TERRIBLETOM
Did former president Clinton have sex, did he cheat on his so called wife? the question isn't so much if president clinton had sex so much as if he had sexual relations (which he emphatically claimed he did not). correct me if i'm wrong here, but his genitals were involved, and so he had relations of a sexual nature.

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by mojo
the question isn't so much if president clinton had sex so much as if he had sexual relations (which he emphatically claimed he did not). correct me if i'm wrong here, but his genitals were involved, and so he had relations of a sexual nature. I understand your concern on the wording I used and I do recall the term "sexual relations" But would have been ok if he just kissed her, would it also have fallen in the "sexual relations" category? I guess an even bigger issue is did he lie?

[i6s1]

Yes, he did. Kissing is not sexual relations, but it is cheating.

Cheating is doing anything of a sexual or romantic nature that you wouldn't do if your wife was right there.

That's my def'n.

[johnnymk]

Originally posted by TERRIBLETOM
I understand your concern on the wording I used and I do recall the term "sexual relations" But would have been ok if he just kissed her, would it also have fallen in the "sexual relations" category? I guess an even bigger issue is did he lie?

TERRIBLETOM, PLEASE DON'T TAKE YOUR WIFE TO THAT WILD AND CRAZY PARTY THAT YOU WERE INVITED TO TONIGHT OR YOU WILL REGRET IT. :P

[InfiniteNothing]

Originally posted by i6s1

Cheating is doing anything of a sexual or romantic nature that you wouldn't do if your wife was right there.

That's my def'n.

Intresting how quickly this turned to Willy Clinton (I think he was just an example). Anyhow I think your definition is way too vague. What constitutes something sexual? Does masturbation count. I don't like to masturbate infront of the "wife" yet, for some reason, I just doesn't seem like cheating. Does it count if I'm masturbating to porn?

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by johnnymk


TERRIBLETOM, PLEASE DON'T TAKE YOUR WIFE TO THAT WILD AND CRAZY PARTY THAT YOU WERE INVITED TO TONIGHT OR YOU WILL REGRET IT. :P IM NOT TAKING HER, SHE'S TAKING ME! INFACT SHE'S DRIVING...

[TERRIBLETOM]

Taken from an online dictionary...
Main Entry: sexual relations
Function: noun plural
Date: 1950
: COITUS
Main Entry: co·i·tus
Pronunciation: 'kO-&-t&s, kO-'E-, 'koi-t&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, from coire
Date: 1855
: physical union of male and female genitalia accompanied by rhythmic movements usually leading to the ejaculation of semen from the penis into the female reproductive tract; also : INTERCOURSE ... So I guess anything but this is ok...

[i6s1]

If it's too vague, make some improvements. Specifics are something that are hard to hammer out for something like this. Flirting is another area. Most people wouldn't do it, but most don't think its cheating.


If she doesn't mind you jerking to pr0n, then its no prob. If she does mind, then it is cheating. I don't think it matters if you don't like to do it in front of your wife - it matters how comfortable she feels knowing you do it.

[Hunny]

Originally posted by i6s1
If it's too vague, make some improvements. Specifics are something that are hard to hammer out for something like this. Flirting is another area. Most people wouldn't do it, but most don't think its cheating.


If she doesn't mind you jerking to pr0n, then its no prob. If she does mind, then it is cheating. I don't think it matters if you don't like to do it in front of your wife - it matters how comfortable she feels knowing you do it.


hmmm..maybe it is, maybe it isn't...if you're cheating just for sex and not love...then would that still be cheating? :P

I'll have to get back to this after I eat and go out tonight...hopefully, I don't have too much to drink and end up in the adoption/abortion thread again.

:rolleyes:

Btw..I never jerk off to porn...I hope this doesn't give me a time-out..I really love these topics :P

[mojo]

Originally posted by TERRIBLETOM
Taken from an online dictionary...
Main Entry: sexual relations
Function: noun plural
Date: 1950
: COITUS
Main Entry: co·i·tus
Pronunciation: 'kO-&-t&s, kO-'E-, 'koi-t&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, from coire
Date: 1855
: physical union of male and female genitalia accompanied by rhythmic movements usually leading to the ejaculation of semen from the penis into the female reproductive tract; also : INTERCOURSE ... So I guess anything but this is ok... well, ya see, the problem that i would have with this "definition" is that it's defining a phrase. it also seems to just say "male and female" are involved...which would imply that people who are homosexual cannot have "sexual relations" with other members of the same sex.

since it's a phrase, i can take it apart and infer a meaning.

from www.m-w.com


Main Entry: sex·u·al
Pronunciation: 'sek-sh(&-)w&l, 'sek-sh&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin sexualis, from Latin sexus sex
Date: 1651
1 : of, relating to, or associated with sex or the sexes <sexual differentiation> <sexual conflict>
2 : having or involving sex <sexual reproduction>
- sex·u·al·ly /'sek-sh(&-)w&-lE, 'sek-sh(&-)lE/ adverb

we can see that it just has to do with the sexes. hey, genitals have a tad to do with the sexes i'd say.

Main Entry: re·la·tion
Pronunciation: ri-'lA-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English relacioun, from Middle French relation, from Latin relation-, relatio, from referre (past participle relatus) to carry back
Date: 14th century
7 a : the state of being mutually or reciprocally interested (as in social or commercial matters) b plural (1) : DEALINGS, AFFAIRS <foreign relations> (2) : INTERCOURSE (3) : SEXUAL INTERCOURSE it indeed sounds like a dealing or an affair.

so although the meaning of the phrase is shown there, i'd have to say they omitted a good deal from how it's used as a phrase.

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by mojo
well, ya see, the problem that i would have with this "definition" is that it's defining a phrase. it also seems to just say "male and female" are involved...which would imply that people who are homosexual cannot have "sexual relations" with other members of the same sex.

since it's a phrase, i can take it apart and infer a meaning.

from www.m-w.com



we can see that it just has to do with the sexes. hey, genitals have a tad to do with the sexes i'd say.
it indeed sounds like a dealing or an affair.

so although the meaning of the phrase is shown there, i'd have to say they omitted a good deal from how it's used as a phrase. I'm not trying to be difficult nor am i bashing you but you are the one that pointed out that it was specifically stated as "sexual relations." Otherwise I would have just looked up the definition of "sex" as you did.

[mojo]

Originally posted by TERRIBLETOM
I'm not trying to be difficult nor am i bashing you um...er...none taken, or something like that.

[Cantacuzene]

In Clintons favor, the grand jury he was testifing to earlier defined sexual relations as 'intercourse.' So as far as the law was concerned he was telling the truth. To the American public, whether oral was sexual relations is a different story.

He wasnt convicted of the impeachment because there was no legal ground to do so. Whether "popular opinion" convicts him has yet to be written.

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
In Clintons favor, the grand jury he was testifing to earlier defined sexual relations as 'intercourse.' So as far as the law was concerned he was telling the truth. To the American public, whether oral was sexual relations is a different story.

He wasnt convicted of the impeachment because there was no legal ground to do so. Whether "popular opinion" convicts him has yet to be written. So the meaning for "sexual relations" that I have posted in this thread stands as is?

[Cantacuzene]

i guess. I think Clinton was legally in the right yet morally in the crapper. I dobnt feel comfortable saying he sucked based on his morality when he proved himself in other manners,

[eSDee]

c)

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
i guess. I think Clinton was legally in the right yet morally in the crapper. I dobnt feel comfortable saying he sucked based on his morality when he proved himself in other manners, I can agree with that in general.

[blueindian]

Originally posted by eSDeeLoco
c) :stupid:

[sbp]

Just imagine some guy trying to convince his pissed off wife that oral sex isn't sex relations. Think it'll fly?

[mojo]

Originally posted by TERRIBLETOM
So the meaning for "sexual relations" that I have posted in this thread stands as is? i actually wouldn't be surprised if the definition actually got there because of what happened. like i said...htf do you define a phrase like that? you can't! it's totally contextual. to define the phrase like that and be fair, one would have to allow other definitions over time and it could become quite huge.

legally speaking, from canta's standpoint, one should be able to just say "i'm going to bust a cap in your ass" to a very important person and get away with it. after all, there's no legal definition for "bust a cap." when i visited the "bible" of our language at www.m-w.com and looked up "bust a cap," this is what i got
The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the Dictionary search box to the right.

Suggestions for bust a cap:
1. bazookas
2. bucketed
3. besotted
4. bookcases
5. bicoastal
6. back-to-back
7. bookkeeper
8. buckets
9. besteaded
10. bistered so of course it could be argued that the person simply speaking metaphorically of the little cap gun toy things or something. but truth be told, if a "real person" said that to someone in a very high position, it would be taken very seriously. why? cuz everyone knows what certain things mean without needing to look it up.

what happened at the time wasn't so much about whether or not the president was telling the truth as it became a question of if our country could afford to have something like this drag out. we all know he lied. there are just varying degrees of how much we care individually.

[TERRIBLETOM]

I totally understand what you have explained Mojo and In no way am i saying that you are wrong, but the other point i was trying to make I guess is that when a phrase such as "bust a cap in your ass" is made especially if brought up in a court of law, I'm sure they will try and put a meaning to this from the context it was used in, as they did "sexual relations" in this case is was determined that it was intercourse I believe as it was posted earlier.

[xsiled2]

i thought it was all dependant on what the definition of is is....

[Hunny]

Originally posted by TERRIBLETOM
When is it called cheating, only when you get married or make a commitment to one person and what difines that a ring? Then how would you define sex? Is kissing considered sex? Did former president Clinton have sex, did he cheat on his so called wife?

QUOTE]Originally posted by TERRIBLETOM
I totally understand what you have explained Mojo and In no way am i saying that you are wrong, but the other point i was trying to make I guess is that when a phrase such as "bust a cap in your ass" is made especially if brought up in a court of law, I'm sure they will try and put a meaning to this from the contest it was used in, as they did "sexual relations" in this case is was determined that it was intercourse I believe as it was posted earlier. [/QUOTE]


Does it really matter if it were sexual relations...sexual intercourse, a bj, genital touching...:o a kiss...a feel...blahhh blahh blahh......instead of pulling up the online dictionary definitions of whats what..lets just look at it my way..:P


I feel a thrashing for this one ...Where's my candybar :bonk:

When is it called cheating,....the minute you begin to have feelings for someone else in any way, whether it be for love or lust, and act upon that physically & not just in thought...yes, whether it be if you were married or committed to someone........ only when you get married or make a commitment to one person and what difines that a ring? .... a public symbol of commitment between you and your beloved, representing the permanence of your marriage...the circle itself probably means never ending hence the circle .............the irony of it all !. Then how would you define sex? ....for me, sex would be any act performed totally nekey, or half nekey, or if you're really good, not nekey at all :eek: ...physical...hence , touching, groping, intercourse, oral...blahhh blahhh blahhh.... Is kissing considered sex? .....:kiss: it would depend where you were kissing...and yes, it you were to kiss someone intimately and you were committed/married to me, yes, absolutely its sex in my mind...and cheating......... Did former president Clinton have sex, did he cheat on his so called wife? ...you bet he did, more times than we could imagine, I imagine ! He just became lax and got caught thats all...

[InfiniteNothing]

I think your definition of cheating is a bit funny. It doesnt really seem to matter what you do, just the feelings that are behind it. So if your bored with your best friend who happens to be female and decide to do something sexual with her is that cool? There is a such thing as fooling around. Though now that I think about it I associated it with being younger. Or what happens if she acts on her sexual impulses and you just go along with it just because. What about phone sex? Cyber sex? I think there has to be a scoring system. What she did, what you did, how you felt about her, etc.
I'm a bit more curious about penalties. Do we penalise SigOth based on their score or above a certian score, it's over.
I like that you consider kissing sex. I must have sex like over 100 times a week.

[x1337xD335C1P13x]

e) most of the above...i think

[Hunny]

Originally posted by InfiniteNothing
...........

Now my turn::P
I think your definition of cheating is a bit funny. It doesnt really seem to matter what you do, just the feelings that are behind it.I think if you cheat, there has to be a reason, and most times I would think feelings are behind the reason...whether it be just being horny, or falling in lust/love with someone other than your committed partner...of course, that was my own personal definition and one I could probably make into a short novel....
So if your bored with your best friend who happens to be female and decide to do something sexual with her is that cool? I may be missing something here or you're explaining it wrong..but sure, if you have a best friend and feelings surface, then by all means...go for it...if the feeling is mutual, then ok...but my question would be, are you or her committed to someone else & why would you do something sexual with her anyhow if you were bored with her? There is a such thing as fooling around. ...it's called cheating , if you're already committed to someone else.... Though now that I think about it I associated it with being younger. Or what happens if she acts on her sexual impulses and you just go along with it just because. ...I would hate to think someone was with me "just because".....that would be like a pity date...notice I put that in a nicer term.....For me, if someone acted out their sexual impulses on me, I wouldn't go along with it if I didn't feel anything for that person...and if I was in love or committed someone there's no way I'd put myself in that position .... What about phone sex? Cyber sex? ....I've never had phone sex....and as far as cyber sex goes....its overrated...I think mostly for cyber sex, people just simply type out their most vivid imaginable fantasies..I think boredom & amusement would set in before anything would come of any of it...and for those adult men that do cyber...whatever floats your boat as long as you don't involve me.... I think there has to be a scoring system. What she did, what you did, how you felt about her, etc....a scoring system for what? I'm not sure I understand .....
I'm a bit more curious about penalties. Do we penalise SigOth based on their score or above a certian score, it's over.
I like that you consider kissing sex. I must have sex like over 100 times a week.
....so...you kiss whom 100 times a week? different women?....as far as kissing goes, I said :kiss: it would depend where you were kissing...and yes, it you were to kiss someone intimately and you were committed/married to me, yes, absolutely its sex in my mind...and cheating..... maybe you misunderstood me, or maybe because of the situation I was talking about confused you...or maybe I was wrong...if your single..kissing your girlee is not having sex...( did I just contradict myself?) ...if you are married or committed to someone and you kiss intimately ..I considered it cheating & yes...at the risk of being thrashed again for this....sex, because kissing someone intimately is a whole lot different than giving someone a peck on the lips or the cheek, hello & goodybe.... and if you are ever in that committed position, and your girlee kisses someone else intimately...you let me know how you would look at it....

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by Hunny


Now my turn::P
I think your definition of cheating is a bit funny. It doesnt really seem to matter what you do, just the feelings that are behind it.I think if you cheat, there has to be a reason, and most times I would think feelings are behind the reason...whether it be just being horny, or falling in lust/love with someone other than your committed partner...of course, that was my own personal definition and one I could probably make into a short novel....
So if your bored with your best friend who happens to be female and decide to do something sexual with her is that cool? I may be missing something here or you're explaining it wrong..but sure, if you have a best friend and feelings surface, then by all means...go for it...if the feeling is mutual, then ok...but my question would be, are you or her committed to someone else & why would you do something sexual with her anyhow if you were bored with her? There is a such thing as fooling around. ...it's called cheating , if you're already committed to someone else.... Though now that I think about it I associated it with being younger. Or what happens if she acts on her sexual impulses and you just go along with it just because. ...I would hate to think someone was with me "just because".....that would be like a pity date...notice I put that in a nicer term.....For me, if someone acted out their sexual impulses on me, I wouldn't go along with it if I didn't feel anything for that person...and if I was in love or committed someone there's no way I'd put myself in that position .... What about phone sex? Cyber sex? ....I've never had phone sex....and as far as cyber sex goes....its overrated...I think mostly for cyber sex, people just simply type out their most vivid imaginable fantasies..I think boredom & amusement would set in before anything would come of any of it...and for those adult men that do cyber...whatever floats your boat as long as you don't involve me.... I think there has to be a scoring system. What she did, what you did, how you felt about her, etc....a scoring system for what? I'm not sure I understand .....
I'm a bit more curious about penalties. Do we penalise SigOth based on their score or above a certian score, it's over.
I like that you consider kissing sex. I must have sex like over 100 times a week.
....so...you kiss whom 100 times a week? different women?....as far as kissing goes, I said :kiss: it would depend where you were kissing...and yes, it you were to kiss someone intimately and you were committed/married to me, yes, absolutely its sex in my mind...and cheating..... maybe you misunderstood me, or maybe because of the situation I was talking about confused you...or maybe I was wrong...if your single..kissing your girlee is not having sex...( did I just contradict myself?) ...if you are married or committed to someone and you kiss intimately ..I considered it cheating & yes...at the risk of being thrashed again for this....sex, because kissing someone intimately is a whole lot different than giving someone a peck on the lips or the cheek, hello & goodybe.... and if you are ever in that committed position, and your girlee kisses someone else intimately...you let me know how you would look at it.... Definitely to much caffeine :rolleyes:

[InfiniteNothing]

Okay I was trying to create hypothetical situations where you're not PARTICULARLY attracted to some but decide to do something sexual. I think this is a possible situation
I was recomending that we create a point system where we score the severity of the cheating rather than creating a black and white "yes this is cheating no this is not" for all the gray areas of cheating.
Lastly I was saying that I had sex over 100 times a week because I probably kiss my girlfriend affectionatly more than 100 times and you said that was sex. It was mostly a joke playing on the overly loose definition of sex and cheating.
Here's another hypothetical situation outside of you defintion but definatly cheating. You have a girlfriend but you are very attracted to another woman and you take her to lunch and chat with her about modern american lit.

[nickel]

kissing is not sex :rolleyes: :P

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by InfiniteNothing
Okay I was trying to create hypothetical situations where you're not PARTICULARLY attracted to some but decide to do something sexual. I think this is a possible situation
I was recomending that we create a point system where we score the severity of the cheating rather than creating a black and white "yes this is cheating no this is not" for all the gray areas of cheating.
Lastly I was saying that I had sex over 100 times a week because I probably kiss my girlfriend affectionatly more than 100 times and you said that was sex. It was mostly a joke playing on the overly loose definition of sex and cheating.
Here's another hypothetical situation outside of you defintion but definatly cheating. You have a girlfriend but you are very attracted to another woman and you take her to lunch and chat with her about modern american lit. Only lunch and chat? I don't consider that cheating, don't mention flirting though, Hunny may blow a gasket.:D

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by nickelback
kissing is not sex :rolleyes: :P I don't think kissing is sex either, but some may argue that using the tongue while kissing is sex (waiting for a sand paper reply):heh:

[InfiniteNothing]

Ya, your right. Lunch was a bad example, how about a romantic drive up a mountain where you go star gazing with your telescope.

[TERRIBLETOM]

Originally posted by InfiniteNothing
Ya, your right. Lunch was a bad example, how about a romantic drive up a mountain where you go star gazing with your telescope. Now that's a hot topic, you may wind up starting a romantic thread.

[nickel]

Originally posted by TERRIBLETOM
I don't think kissing is sex either, but some may argue that using the tongue while kissing is sex (waiting for a sand paper reply):heh:

i still don't think tongue action while kissing is sex. tongue action down below is sex, oral sex.

[InfiniteNothing]

Please no....

[Hunny]

Originally posted by InfiniteNothing
I was recomending that we create a point system where we score the severity of the cheating rather than creating a black and white "yes this is cheating no this is not" for all the gray areas of cheating.


Ok...cheating is black or white..you either are or you're not...is there room for grey areas?
Is kissing the grey area?
and...fine :rolleyes: The act alone may not be " HAVING sex"... but it is going beyond the line...for ME...
...if someone I am in love with kisses someone else intimately, he may as well be having sex with that person...
Kissing intimately does alot to someone :eek: so don't tell me that you can kiss your girlee intimately and not touch her.......blahhhh blahhh blahhhh....because if you can JUST kiss her and nothing else & I do mean NOTHING else...then boy oh boy , you are in control...:D

[InfiniteNothing]

Originally posted by Hunny


Ok...cheating is black or white..you either are or you're not...is there room for grey areas?
Is kissing the grey area?
There has to be gray area. Otherwise we could make a simple definition. Kissing is one example of a gray area. It may or may not be cheating.

[Hunny]

Originally posted by TERRIBLETOM
Only lunch and chat? I don't consider that cheating, don't mention flirting though, Hunny may blow a gasket.:D


I think it would depend on where that lunch was...If it were in a romantic spot...like a bopper pond...or picnic area or somewhere out of the way, then I don't see it as a problem...if you were having "just lunch & a chat" then I imagine you wouldn't mind if your "committed partner walked in , or your family & friends ....
Of course if it were like the above, then its not cheating.
Flirting is a human reaction...we all do it ..some more than others...some not so subtle...some sneaky...but its done...Flirt all you want...just dont have sex and kiss :D
Is "looking" at someone considered "flirting"?
:rolleyes:

[Hunny]

Originally posted by Hunny



I think it would depend on where that lunch was...If it were in a romantic spot...like a bopper pond...or picnic area or somewhere out of the way, then I don't see it as a problem...


I stand corrected.........:rolleyes:
If it were in a romantic spot...like a bopper pond...or picnic area or somewhere out of the way, then I DO see it as a problem.