Peta to launch boycott of KFC

[nickel]

(AP) - People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals said Monday it is launching a boycott against KFC because of alleged animal-rights abuses by the chain of fried-chicken restaurants. The Norfolk-based animal rights group said it has tried for nearly two years to persuade KFC's parent company, Yum Brands Inc. of Louisville, Ky., to change the way it raises and slaughters chickens. PETA said that because those negotiations failed, it will launch a campaign to put public pressure on the company.

linkie (http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=world&cat=animal_rights)

[welfareloser]

here's my thoughts... if those fuggaz drive prices up any more (we spent $17 there yesterday) i'm gonna deep-fry me some veganrexic peta pains in the butt and see how they taste... probly all dried up and bitter :P

[kimchicowboy]

mmm.....chicken....

[FZR22]

Please...Eat...Tasty...Animals

[ArkiStan]

Doesn't PETA even know? KFC doesn't use chicken. They use lab grown quazi-chicken which are genetically altered to have no heads and extra beefy breasts and other edible body parts. :rolleyes:

jeez, get with the 411...

[sbp]

Anything for publicity and attention.

[Speedfreak]

Mmmmmmm... Chicken Pita.

[xsiled2]

pathetic chicken lickers...

[Blu]

Wait! Stop! Nobody move. It seems that PETA is dumb. Are the majority of people in PETA vegitarians already? That being the case, they most likely wouldn't frequent KFC anyway. So the boycott is redundant. It's like me sending out a press release that I'm boycotting the seafood industry, when actually I don't eat it b/c I'm allergic.

[Merlin]

Originally posted by ArkiStan
...have no heads and extra beefy breasts and other edible body parts. :rolleyes:

Sounds like the perfect woman! :naughty:

[ArkiStan]

Originally posted by Merlin


Sounds like the perfect woman! :naughty:

I'll have a bucket!!

[Grimm]

Good call Blu! :thumb:

What a lot of organizations do is ask large companies for donations. And then boycott the ones who don't cough up the dough. I'm betting that KFC told PETA to go stuff themselves.

Don't forget to stop by KFC for dinner soon.

[blueindian]

yeah! screw peta! those freaks are crazy! damn, they want to be humane to animals!!!! WTF? why would anyone want to do that?

http://www.kfccruelty.com/

if anyone cares.

[sbp]

Originally posted by blueindian
yeah! screw peta! those freaks are crazy! damn, they got nothing better to do with their time!!!! WTF? why can't these frigging losers get a fscking life?

http://www.eatchicken.com/

if anyone cares.Yeah buddy alright! :thumbup: :thumbup:

[i6s1]

I'm having KFC tonight.

[blueindian]

Originally posted by Blu
Wait! Stop! Nobody move. It seems that PETA is dumb. Are the majority of people in PETA vegitarians already? That being the case, they most likely wouldn't frequent KFC anyway. So the boycott is redundant. It's like me sending out a press release that I'm boycotting the seafood industry, when actually I don't eat it b/c I'm allergic.

Wait! Stop! Nobody move. It seems that Blu did not think about his post. The majority of people in PETA are vegeterians already. That begin the case, they most likely are trying to convince the general public to boycott KFC. So the boycott is not redundant. It's like me reading a press release (http://www.gatortimes.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2002/06/03/3cfb89c893c11?in_archive=1) about the cruelty of pig gestation crates and then actually voting for a ban on them in Florida (http://www.hsus.org/ace/11546)

please excuse my sarcasm:P

[Nija]

Please let them stop me from going in... oh please let them......:argue: :mad3:

[mcs328]

I absolutely hate PETA. They stopped my car in the drive-thru at Wendys a year or so ago. Then a fight broke out and I grabbed my lunch and sped away. Sigh...no hood ornaments this time around.

[hoon]

If my car would have been stopped by PETA, I think I would have taken a bite out of their arm or something.

[CornMonkey]

i would just run them over.

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by blueindian
yeah! screw peta! those freaks are crazy! damn, they want to be humane to animals!!!! WTF? why would anyone want to do that?

http://www.kfccruelty.com/

if anyone cares.

I stopped after the first sentence or two. When they got to the point about chickens being as smart as cats and dogs, I realized there was just no point to reading further.

[whitak24]

Originally posted by zenbooty


I stopped after the first sentence or two. When they got to the point about chickens being as smart as cats and dogs, I realized there was just no point to reading further.
but you missed this:

When in natural surroundings, not on factory farms, they form friendships and social hierarchies, recognize one another, love their young, and enjoy a full life, dust bathing, making nests, roosting in trees, and more.
damn, those dust baths just make life complete :heh:

[blueindian]

Originally posted by zenbooty


I stopped after the first sentence or two. When they got to the point about chickens being as smart as cats and dogs, I realized there was just no point to reading further.

and what gives you the qualification to judge the intellegence of chickens? do you own chickens? have you ever kept chickens?

and whitak24, i'm not sure what to make of your post. what was the point?

[K2]

mm.... i love popcorn chicken :D

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by blueindian


and what gives you the qualification to judge the intellegence of chickens? do you own chickens? have you ever kept chickens?

and whitak24, i'm not sure what to make of your post. what was the point?

When caught out in the rain, often chickens will stare up at the rain until they drown. If there is a large group, they will pile on each other, trying to burrow underneath to stay dry. The ones at the bottom are often crushed to death.

'nuff said. We don't call someone "bird-brained" for nothing.

[blueindian]

Originally posted by zenbooty


When caught out in the rain, often chickens will stare up at the rain until they drown. If there is a large group, they will pile on each other, trying to burrow underneath to stay dry. The ones at the bottom are often crushed to death.

'nuff said. We don't call someone "bird-brained" for nothing.

bull$hit. they do not. ever hear of wive's tale? obviously so.


edit: here is a link to a poultry fourm. read about quesition about chicking in the rain link (http://mdkauctions.hypermart.net/cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi?action=display&num=982)

here is a link that you can read from a chicken farm. the behaviour of the chickens clearly demonstrates intellegence. link (http://www.nonoctave.com/farm/chickens.html)

[Merlin]

Originally posted by blueindian


bull$hit. they do not. ever hear of wive's tale? obviously so.


edit: here is a link to a poultry fourm. read about quesition about chicking in the rain link (http://mdkauctions.hypermart.net/cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi?action=display&num=982)

here is a link that you can read from a chicken farm. the behaviour of the chickens clearly demonstrates intellegence. link (http://www.nonoctave.com/farm/chickens.html)

O think what poeple have been trying to say is that nobody cares. They're food for crying out loud! They were born and raised for the frier. Yeah their eight weeks on this planet might be rough but thems the breaks at the bottom of the food chain.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by blueindian

here is a link that you can read from a chicken farm. the behaviour of the chickens clearly demonstrates intellegence. link (http://www.nonoctave.com/farm/chickens.html)

chickens are intelligent. they are not as intelligent as cats or dogs, period, not by ANY measure of intelligence. PERIOD! so any website that starts out by making RIDICULOUSLY false claims is one that is probably lying about any number of other things, and one that anyone with a brain larger than a chicken would choose not to read further. the time would be better spent picking bellybutton lint.

here's the point you seem to be missing: peta is crap. nobody's saying that unethical treatment of animals is okay. nobody's saying that chickens are devoid of intelligence. the point is that peta lies, peta is counterproductive in that it pisses off a heck of a lot more people than it ever incites to action, and thus peta is a damn sight worse than useless.

[blueindian]

Originally posted by welfareloser

chickens are intelligent. they are not as intelligent as cats or dogs, period, not by ANY measure of intelligence. PERIOD! so any website that starts out by making RIDICULOUSLY false claims is one that is probably lying about any number of other things, and one that anyone with a brain larger than a chicken would choose not to read further. the time would be better spent picking bellybutton lint.


hmmm...i see we have another chicken authority on board. i'll ask you the same question. what gives you the qualifications to judge the intelligence of a a chicken in comparison to a dog or a cat? have you ever lived with a chicken...as a pet? is it fair to say that they are more intelligent than dogs or cats? i think that's a tricky question. there are some really smart dogs in the world, but then again there are some really stupid ones. and it depends on how you define intelligence in terms of animals. does intelligence mean that an an animal can do tricks? chickens can do that. does intelligence mean personality? chickns have that...



here's the point you seem to be missing: peta is crap. nobody's saying that unethical treatment of animals is okay. nobody's saying that chickens are devoid of intelligence. the point is that peta lies, peta is counterproductive in that it pisses off a heck of a lot more people than it ever incites to action, and thus peta is a damn sight worse than useless.

i totally agree with you about peta pissing people off. some of their tactics piss me off to. i am not a member of peta, but i do consider myself to be an animal rights activist. and most times i get labeled as whacko and crazy and whatever else because of peta.

that said, i think it's fairly shortsighted of you to dismiss peta as crap. pressure from peta has caused policy change in other major fast food chains including burger king, wendy's, and mcdonalds. perhaps they do piss off more people than they incite into action, but they incite the right people The simple fact of the matter is that you or i do not matter to peta. the corportate descision makers are the ones that matter. so if they piss of 10,000 burger king customers in the process of get the 10 or 20 people needed at burger king headquarters to make a policy change, who cares?

i would also charge that by continuing to support kfc, one would be, in effect, saying that the unethicle treatment on animals is ok. and if your going to be pissed of, why not be pissed of at KFC? It seems to me that after watching campaigns agains the three other fast food chains, which all resulted in bad press and policy change, that they would just implement changes. it's not that hard, and then they could be friends with peta...without the fight. hell, they could probably even advertise on peta's site, like burger king does.

[zenbooty]

blueindian,
Hearing you rant makes me want to stuff a live lobster while jamming veal down my gullet, and washing it all down with a cup of feau gras (sp?). Do you have a pet chicken? Where is you're authority about these genius animals? I saw your link, and it proves nothing. Chicken temple, geez! Obviously the toughest chicken gets the tube while the weak have to find their "territory" elsewhere. This is no sign of heightened intelligence. Just Darwinism in effect.

And I've heard no proof that what I mentioned previously is a wives tale. You've certainly offered none, so I can only assume that I am right, as usual.

Birds are dumb. You will have to do better if you expect to change my mind.

[blueindian]

Originally posted by zenbooty
blueindian,
Hearing you rant makes me want to stuff a live lobster while jamming veal down my gullet, and washing it all down with a cup of feau gras (sp?). Do you have a pet chicken? Where is you're authority about these genius animals? I saw your link, and it proves nothing. Chicken temple, geez! Obviously the toughest chicken gets the tube while the weak have to find their "territory" elsewhere. This is no sign of heightened intelligence. Just Darwinism in effect.

And I've heard no proof that what I mentioned previously is a wives tale. You've certainly offered none, so I can only assume that I am right, as usual.

Birds are dumb. You will have to do better if you expect to change my mind.

dude, i'm so not ranting. i think i'm making farily logicle arguments.

i'm not claming to have any authority on chicken intellegence. i'm just asking where yours is. as a kid, i did live on a small farm in a rural which had cows, pigs, and chickens. people in my farm had commercial chickend and turkey production operations (mostly supplying Holly Farms, which is now Tyson chicken) i saw the chickens on our farm and others in the rain hundreds of times. never once saw one drown.

you are actually the first person i've ever heard say that chickens do that. i've heard that about turkeys before, but never chickens. and turkey's dont' do it either.

you are somewhat correct about the "piling on top of one another" thing, though again i've never heard of chickens doing it, only turkeys. domestic turkeys in large turkey houses to be specific. sometimes, if there is a severe thunder storm, turkeys will panic. the wind and thunder will cause the the tin roofes on the turkey houses to rumble. the turkeys don't know what's going on and they become frightened and panic and try to escape the turkey house. in the process, they will trample each other and pile on top of one another against the walls and some will suffocate.

i'll see if i can find something on the web about it.

edit: also, i believe chickens do not have binocular vision. their eyes are on either side of their head. therefore, they would actually look sideways at the rain rather than up.

[Grimm]

blueindian, if you want to argue that some birds are fairly intelegent, I will agree with you. Some birds, parots specificaly, are very intelegent animals. Chickens, however, aren't all that bright. Chickens can be trained like many other animals, but they don't come anywhere near the intelegence level of an average dog. A lot of the "feats of intelegence" displayed by chickens are tricks or natural instincts bred into them. My Grandfather raised chickens for a living. He described chickens as the "Damn stupidest animals to walk the earth".

Whenever PETA boycots someone I will be the first in line to support the company being attacked by these fanatics. The fact that Burger King is left alone by them after paying them to advertise on their site should be an indication of their real values. I have no respect for PETA or the people who support them.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by blueindian


hmmm...i see we have another chicken authority on board. i'll ask you the same question. what gives you the qualifications to judge the intelligence of a a chicken in comparison to a dog or a cat? have you ever lived with a chicken...as a pet? is it fair to say that they are more intelligent than dogs or cats? i think that's a tricky question. there are some really smart dogs in the world, but then again there are some really stupid ones. and it depends on how you define intelligence in terms of animals. does intelligence mean that an an animal can do tricks? chickens can do that. does intelligence mean personality? chickns have that...


i've taken many, many courses that have covered the following subjects: comparative physiology, animal behavior, neuroscience, etc. i don't have a PhD in chicken intelligence. i have worked with lots of animals, including chickens, and i have read a lot of REAL scientific papers (ie, ones that tell the truth, as opposed to peta's propaganda and lies) and YES, i am expert enough to say that CHICKENS ARE LESS INTELLIGENT THAN DOGS AND CATS. this just isn't a controversial issue. period. by any measure of intelligence we currently use, chickens are dumber than cats and dogs. running mazes. survival skills. behavior training. "doing tricks."



www.miketheheadlesschicken.org (http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org)

you want to know another animal that's brain is so useless that it can survive without its head? cockroaches. don't pick this argument apart, because it's a tongue-in-cheek little illustration of the point above, not an argument in itself...

and i will concede that peta has been effective. that's a good point. however, i will never have respect for an organization that lies about basic stuff on purpose. they can kiss my butt.

[mojo]

Originally posted by blueindian
<snip> edit: also, i believe chickens do not have binocular vision. their eyes are on either side of their head. therefore, they would actually look sideways at the rain rather than up. i just wanted to point out that they can look up and yet not have overlapping fields of vision. as you said, they'd merely look sideways at it. but they can still look up.

as for the validity of the tale, i dunno. and as for the intelligence of chickens...i dunno either.

we all know pigs are supposed to be smart as dogs n stuff. but you know...i'm still eating them. sorry. they're lower on the foodchain than you and i and therefore fair game.

my view on this may not be perfect here. i've always wondered how they judge the intelligence of plants tho. you figure...plants react to music and stuff like this. so how do we know how smart or dumb a plant is? just because their cognition is different from our own doesn't mean that they're dumb or anything.

anyhow, we gotta eat something.

unfortunately, we're in a market society where to maximize profit you gotta cut here or there. in order for kfc to make it so i dont gotta pay $9 for a 3 strip meal at the drivethru, they gotta consider their methods of harvesting, their laborpool, etc.

i do appreciate what they're trying to do. nothing should suffer more than necessary in order to ultimately be food anyways. but perhaps they're misguided or something at times. raising awareness is one thing, but they're often just something else.

[whitak24]

Originally posted by blueindian
and whitak24, i'm not sure what to make of your post. what was the point?
i merely find it humorus that the website trying to prove that chickens lead a great, happy life used "dust bathing" and "roosting in trees" as points of proof.

maybe it makes the chickens happy to play in the dirt (as it does many other birds), but it's still not high on my list of "proof that animals are living an intelligent life"

[CornMonkey]

is it me or is this one of the most hilarious threads ever...

we're talking about CHICKENS here! :bigmouth: chicken this, chicken that. big deal. if they're not smart enough to escape the slaughter house, then i don't have a problem eating them.

[i6s1]

What about chickens going to sleep if you put thier head under thier wing? Anything that dumb deserves to get eaten, preferably fried.

If PETA really wanted humane living conditions for animals, they'd try to convince everyone to go hunting for thier food.

BTW, I made good on my promise and a had KFC last night. Just doing what I can to boycott PETA's boycots.

[blueindian]

Originally posted by i6s1
What about chickens going to sleep if you put thier head under thier wing? Anything that dumb deserves to get eaten, preferably fried.

i've never seen that either. pretty sure it's an urban legend...err maybe a rural legend in this case :) and if they do, i would guess that it's physiological response, like the way kittens stop moving when you pick them up by the scruff of their neck. at any rate, that's not the point.

before i say this, let me clarify my positon. i'm not opposed to anyone eating chickens. i agree that they are lowever on the food chain and therefore fair game.

however, this thread has sort of turned into "chickens are dumb, therefore it dosen't matter how they are treated". i think is is ridiculus to base your descision of how a captive animal should be treated based on the intelligence level, either perceived or real, of that animal.

i mean serisously, what's the big deal if KFC starting using free range chickens? so what if bucket costs $.50 more?

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by blueindian
however, this thread has sort of turned into "chickens are dumb, therefore it dosen't matter how they are treated". i think is is ridiculus to base your descision of how a captive animal should be treated based on the intelligence level, either perceived or real, of that animal.
That's not the point of argument I was trying to make, and I don't think others in this thread are trying to say, "chickens are dumb, so it doesn;t matter how they're treated." My argument was, "Chickens are dumb, so any article which tries to maintain that they are as smart as cats and dogs probably can't be trusted on any of the other 'facts' or 'research' it might make claims to."

[nickel]

aw, you just had to make me post this. :P

http://www.lemonizer.com/uploads/chicken_head_nugget.jpg

[WhiskeyPapa]

Originally posted by blueindian
i've never seen that either. pretty sure it's an urban legend...err maybe a rural legend in this case :)
Good one! :heh:

I own chickens. Like right now, not "when I was a kid", or "my grandpa used to", but right now. They are dumb. I can't believe some people actually think they are as smart as a dog or cat.

Yes, you can put a chicken to sleep by tucking its head under a wing. It works almost every time. I was told it's because that position deprives their tiny little brains of oxygen, enough to make them pass out. Kind of like a chicken "sleeper hold".

Now, just because they're stupid doesn't mean it's ok to be cruel to them. We don't go to great lengths to be humane when we kill 'em (like gassing them before they're butchered.) But I like to whack their heads off with one quick chop so they don't suffer too much.

BTW, some people think that these meat birds can live a long, happy life if we just don't kill them. That's not true. We raise Cornish Cross chickens. They get up to 6-10 pounds in 10 weeks. That's a big chicken (had a few get up to 16 pounds...) If you don't butcher them by 10 weeks, they'll start dying of heart attacks. Every year we end up with a couple that are just too small to bother butchering. I'll leave them in the barn to live with the layers. I've never seen a Cross live longer than maybe 18 weeks.

Same goes for turkeys. It's such a scam when the president "pardons" the Thanksgiving turkey and sends it to a petting zoo. Those turkeys die within a month. They're bred to grow fast, die young, and leave a tasty carcass!

[Merlin]

Originally posted by kb0wwp
They are dumb. I can't believe some people actually think they are as smart as a dog or cat.


I hate to burst everyone's bubble but dogs are pretty friggin dumb! They might even be as stupid as chickens.

[Jeffbx]

From http://csmweb2.emcweb.com/durable/1997/11/05/feat/feat.2.html


Q What are the 10 most intelligent animals?

A It's difficult to gauge intelligence because of all the factors involved. While monkeys and apes exhibit the most humanlike intelligence, studies of ravens and parrots reveal an aptitude for problem solving and octopuses show an amazing capacity for memorization. Biologists suggest that overall, mammals are the smartest. Apes and monkeys are followed in intelligence by large aquatic mammals like dolphins and whales that are capable of learning symbolic communication. Cats and dogs match or surpass all animals except for apes, some monkeys, and large aquatic mammals.

[blueindian]

Chickens, scientists now realize, do more than just cluck-cluck-cluck (http://soma.npa.uiuc.edu/~mmaciver/chicken_smart.html)

Smart Chicks (http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ss/stories/s700637.htm)

the second one reminded me of something. battery cages have already been banned in europe....

[whitak24]

octopuses show an amazing capacity for memorization
:heh: i'm lmao thinking about how one would test an octopus' memory. i have this mental picture of one playing "Simon" with all 8 of its "arms" :heh:

[nickel]

nobody liked my chickenhead mcnugget? :dodgy:

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by nickelback
nobody liked my chickenhead mcnugget? :dodgy: Eh, been there, done that.

[nickel]

wow you did that? did it taste funny when you bit into it or did you just keep chowing? :P

[blueindian]

my mom spent some time in zimbabwe, africa. while she was there, she was mostly treated as the guest of honor. whenever they served chicken, she would always be expected to eat the feet, as that was a delicacy! gross.

after she'd been there a while, she was [thankfully] able to turn it down.

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by nickelback
wow you did that? did it taste funny when you bit into it or did you just keep chowing? :P Cast-iron stomach over here, gal!

(And on an unrelated topic alluded to in another thread, when did they post pictures of you? :naughty: )

[mojo]

Originally posted by zenbooty
Cast-iron stomach over here, gal!

(And on an unrelated topic alluded to in another thread, when did they post pictures of you? :naughty: ) they weren't posted afaik. buuuuuut yossar had a habit of offering her pics for a small fee and/or favor. word on the street has it that he upgraded his rig and bought a new server thanks to his "nickeltrade"

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by mojo
they weren't posted afaik. buuuuuut yossar had a habit of offering her pics for a small fee and/or favor. word on the street has it that he upgraded his rig and bought a new server thanks to his "nickeltrade"
Yossarian! Be back in a minute, don't go anywhere! I gotta go hit the ATM!

[The Continental]

I just want to rate a thread

[nickel]

Originally posted by The Continental
I just want to rate a thread

:wavey: Hi TC!
you go rate that thread wherever it may be ;)

[The Continental]

Originally posted by nickelback


:wavey: Hi TC!
you go rate that thread wherever it may be ;) Now you look and there's stars beside your post. Woo-Hoo!! :D

How many other threads do you see with that? ;)

[gwilks98]

Originally posted by blueindian
yeah! screw peta! those freaks are crazy! damn, they want to be humane to animals!!!! WTF? why would anyone want to do that?

http://www.kfccruelty.com/

if anyone cares.

Did anyone else find it appalling that this site had a "kids corner?" Or that it even had a more grotesque "Save the Chickens" Game?

....so that won't warp a kid, but Silent Scope and Quake III will. Whatever.:confused:

[blueindian]

i don't find it appalling(be you couldn't have guessed that :D). some of the language is a little harsh for very you children, but certainly not to the degree that i would find it apalling.

if you believe that the way most chickens in the US are raised is wrong, what's wrong with teaching children about it?

hell, in 6th grade as part of my occupational classes, we took a trip to the holly farms chicken processing plant. i saw all that crap happening. do you find that appalling?

[gwilks98]

Taking a field trip with signed parental permission is one thing. Posting something on the internet and advertising a kid's corner, to me, is an entirely separate issue. I think we can all agree that kids are extremely impressionable and the PETA doesn't exactly have an "unbiased" opinion on the matter. The video could be assembled from clips of various chicken farms, not KFC. I wouldn't want my kids to digest everything the internet, tv or the newspaper decides to throw at them. Accusations are fine, if there's solid proof. I failed to see that.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go play "Save the chicken from scalding hot water."

:D