People of Mixed Race-Interracial Dating/Relationships/Marriage/Children

[Hunny]

Growing up...I remember at the age of 8, my first friend was black...I also remember being afraid to ask if she could come over because I knew my father would have a fit...though I don't ever remember being taught to dislike anyone of a different race...I believe it just was one of those unsaid things you were suppose to just know back then ....
I remember friends dating out of their race...and I can remember quite clearly the frowns ....a definate no-no....taboo even....You were labeled with "special" names....
It was something you just didn't do....I can remember my best friend having a bi racial child, and how afraid I was for her ...people were never subtle when it came to the stares and comments .... of course, this was many years ago ....
In todays society you expect people to be more accepting....but are they?....

Would you allow or frown on your child for dating someone of another race...would you yourself marry or have a relationship with someone of another race....do you have any thoughts on the subject at all?

[eSDee]

I am in an interracial relationship right now. It is dope.

Interracial relationships are fine, however interspecies relationships I just cannot give my approval(no offense folks from Tennessee:P)


*edit* why does it seem that Hunny is writing an article for a newspaper somewhere :hmm:

[latingirl]

I love my Latino Brothers, but I generally date the Brothas. I'm actually open to dating other races though.

I used to have a crush on this big, fine philipino guy in high school and since I went to Carson High (california) I had crushes on some fine Samoans (but they're females tend to be big and ruthless, so I stayed away).

What can I say, I like em tall, dark and sexy!

Race shouldn't be an issue, if you like someone, you like em. You can actually stand to learn something about other cultures if you are open enough to give it a chance.

[johnnymk]

I saw an interview with Mariah Carey once. She said that growing up was very difficult because the black community didn't accept her and the white community looked down on her.
So, for the sake of the kids, I say it's a definite No-No.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by johnnymk
I saw an interview with Mariah Carey once. She said that growing up was very difficult because the black community didn't accept her and the white community looked down on her.
So, for the sake of the kids, I say it's a definite No-No.

for the sake of the kids, i guess people with a tendency toward clumsiness shouldn't breed either? i mean, come on, who wants to be the non-athletic dork that everyone makes fun of on the playground?

a biracial life brings challenges, but it certainly isn't in the category of lives that aren't worth living!

LOTS of kids aren't accepted by anyone for long stretches of childhood, for LOTS of reasons. fat, ugly, "wierd," etc. she got off a lot easier than some, i'll bet.

i spent a good two years worth of my childhood not being accepted by anyone at all because i was "the foreigner." that doesn't mean my parents shouldn't have moved me to a foreign country - it was great experience and i'd do it all over again.

someone who can grow up with the influence of two cultures, an open mind, compassion for those who are different, and a healthy disrespect for those who look down on "different" people are a great addition to this planet.

[TERRIBLETOM]

I think this issue is harder on the young ones because there parents have quite a bit to say about everything they do. As you get older and more independent it's easier to tell your parents what your views are. I wonder how many do it just for spite to get back at there parents of family members. It doesn't bother me one way or another, what does bother me is battered women.

[Kim]

I think it is absolutely fine. :)

[QuantumKicker]

16 for Accept, a big 0 for No.

[zenbooty]

Hey Welfare,
What country are you orginally from?

[LPMiller]

Originally posted by johnnymk
I saw an interview with Mariah Carey once. She said that growing up was very difficult because the black community didn't accept her and the white community looked down on her.
So, for the sake of the kids, I say it's a definite No-No.

For the sake of the kids, you should be raised in a loving home, with both parents being supportive and protective, whatever the color of their skin may be.

[Cantacuzene]

I have no problem with interracial couples, but I'd be far less accepting if we were talking about my daughter. I know that sounds racist but thats the truth for me.

[attgig]

I was in an interacial...errr....relationship...

i'm Asian.
she's white.

lotta people didn't like us together.....especially the popular white jocks (she was a cheerleader, and I was a geek :heh: )

they made racial comments

shrug
I'm still open to whatever, but my parents hate it. 4 me, they don't even want another asian...HAS to be KOH-REE-AHN.


shrug...we'll see....
not like i'm deliberately looking for a korean chick or a non-korean chick...but I'll keep my parents in mind when i do my searching.

[whitak24]

i have no problem with interracial relationships. i think it's cool, and indicates to me that people are actually dating based on something other than social tradition......maybe even looking for someone who makes them happy.

as for interracial kids.....i don't see a big deal.

of course, i've never been in an interracial relationship....but i've only had 1 relationship, and that was someone i met in high school, and my high school was about 99.8% white. so i didn't have too many chances.... :heh:

[Grimm]

Originally posted by johnnymk
...
So, for the sake of the kids, I say it's a definite No-No. johnnymk, I respect your faith and know you are a good person. But... That is the single most lame argument in existance. Of course it worked fine when the Nazis used it... of course that could never, never happen here <sarcasim tag>.
Any argument that relies on "protecting childern" from immagined threats is immediately suspect. It's easy to close your mind and then put everything that you don't like, but don't want to admit to yourself that you are anything but rightious, in that "save the children" category.

I would and have dated interracialy and if I had children I would not object to them dating whatever race they chose. Now I do have reservations about dating people from extremely different cultures. There are quite a few pitfalls. But if the other person was open minded and willing to work things out, I think it would still work.

[GraingerGuy]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
I have no problem with interracial couples, but I'd be far less accepting if we were talking about my daughter. I know that sounds racist but thats the truth for me.

I don't think you would like anyone that dated your daughter....:)

I think I'm going to be one of those horrible, crazy protective father types. You know....one of those when my daughter's date comes I'll be sharpening my knife collection or something....:D

And to stay on topic......

No.....it doesn't matter to me. I'm Chinese and dating a Filipino girl. Usually the Asian parents want their children to keep it within the race....but my parent are pretty cool like that and don't care. The only thing they have for me is that the girl I'm dating has to be the same religion as me. And I agree with that. My grandparents however....I don't think they like the fact I'm dating a non-Chinese girl....so yeah....I hear you attgig. But....oh well. :)

[Memo]

I'm fine with it but I do admit there are certain combinations of interracial relationships that stand out a bit more. I'm with Canta on this one though; I'd be FAR LESS accepting if it was my daughter.

[soong]

I've seen both sides of the issue... I'm asian my wife is white. I have a stepson who is white, and all the rest of the kids are biracial...we've yet to get one comment about that. She got flak from her side, I got flak from my side. But one thing they agree on is that kids are great and both sides love them... if you love someone ...don't let stupid barriers stand in the way... to me its like not being with someone cause they are poor, and i know that you can change a person's wealth... well how about then instead of race if the person is handicapped...

[BrewMaster]

i am bi-racial, Palestinian and Belgian (and don't even try to tell me that Arabs are "caucasian" like government forms do) and I love it. I get two awesome cultures because my parents love and embrace each others famlies. And both sides of the family love each other. My GF is as white as they come and our families get along great.

As for "protecting the kids," that's not an issue I don't think. Date whoever the hell you are attracted to. The kids will be fine. Life sucks as a kid no matter what.

[Kim]

I don't think my kids have had any problems being bi-racial, and I only got a few comments from 'friends' while I was engaged. Once everyone got to know my husband, they all loved him for who he is.

[welfareloser]

it's nice that some of you are at least honest that you are fine with it in theory, but would struggle with it if it was your daughter... it indicates that you would like to be cool about it if it happened, and will try to be. :)

and, i don't think anyone should go too far in saying that interracial relationships mean nothing... unfortunately, they do to too many people. so, nobody should hold back from creating mixed-race kids to avoid offending the racists out there, it is wise to keep in mind that your mixed race kids will have a tough time with some people for that reason, and to be ready to deal with it.

i dated a korean dude once. wasn't allowed to meet his parents, which was cool - i understood that they were traditional, and that if we had gone on to a long-term relationship he would have made them deal with it... hardly worth the grief for a three-week fling in high school!

zenbooty - i was born in the USA, but moved to germany when i was a kid... not like "my dad is in the military and we live on base with other americans..." i went to german schools and learned german the hard way - and quickly! i saw other americans once a week at church on sundays. didn't come back here until the last three years of high school.

and speaking of germany... my best friend there was half black. she was cool. she was happy. she was a confident, intelligent person who stood out like a sore thumb in a family of blondes. and i think she was very happy with who she was.

[avlena]

it does make for an interesting experience though... i'm half white half viet... once people know me, they tend to forget my race completely. what REALLY bugs me though is the looks and questions from strangers, particularly i get when i'm with my dad, who's white. I look pretty much nothing like him, so i've had people ask if i was his foreign exchange student and give us dirty looks (old white guy with young asian girl huggin him... some people assume the worse). Eventually, I made it a point to call him "Dad" in public. but i don't think it should be taboo, because i think if two people are in love nothing should stop them (my bf is white). but, i really think we need to start changing people's views on it, and make them realize that seeing a mixed race couple or kid shouldn't be such a surprise!

[zenbooty]

If my father was white, and my mother was a succubus, what does that make me?

[johnnymk]

Originally posted by Grimm
johnnymk, I respect your faith and know you are a good person. But... That is the single most lame argument in existance. Of course it worked fine when the Nazis used it... of course that could never, never happen here <sarcasim tag>.
Any argument that relies on "protecting childern" from immagined threats is immediately suspect. It's easy to close your mind and then put everything that you don't like, but don't want to admit to yourself that you are anything but rightious, in that "save the children" category.


It's nice to pretend that we are living in a color blind world, but we aren't. By my stating that the kids will have problems much like Mariah Carey had growing up doesn't change those facts.
I know how cruel kids can be. All you have to is live on the wrong side of the tracks and you can be an outcast.
They had a kid on a talk show about a week ago that had a major disfigurement and the kids at school constantly made fun of her.
Things really haven't changed as much as everyone thinks that they have.
I use to live in the South. I now live in the North.
The only thing different up here is that people's prejudices are not as apparent as they are in the South. In front of people that are different from themselves, they say one thing, but behind their backs, they say another.
And that includes both blacks and whites.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by zenbooty
If my father was white, and my mother was a succubus, what does that make me?

probly fugly and horny :P

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by welfareloser
probly fugly and horny :P Well, you got half of it right (and I DON'T mean FUGLY!!!).

[LPMiller]

Originally posted by johnnymk


It's nice to pretend that we are living in a color blind world, but we aren't. By my stating that the kids will have problems much like Mariah Carey had growing up doesn't change those facts.
I know how cruel kids can be. All you have to is live on the wrong side of the tracks and you can be an outcast.
They had a kid on a talk show about a week ago that had a major disfigurement and the kids at school constantly made fun of her.
Things really haven't changed as much as everyone thinks that they have.
I use to live in the South. I now live in the North.
The only thing different up here is that people's prejudices are not as apparent as they are in the South. In front of people that are different from themselves, they say one thing, but behind their backs, they say another.
And that includes both blacks and whites.

Giving in to what other people think is a lot like blind trust in the government, or following the 'popular' religion, or fad, or what have you. It's leaving your brain at the door, and giving up any free will rights.

Every relationship has hassles. Hell, mine did, and we were just mixing Italians with Nords - and I'm have swedish for pete sake. So what. Screw 'em.

Life is made up of more than any single issue. And like anything, to be worth it, one has to fight for it.

[johnnymk]

Hey, if a couple is too old to have kids or if they are young and definitely don't want to have kids, then anything goes..more power to them.
What you can endure in a relationship may not be what your kid can endure.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by johnnymk
Hey, if a couple is too old to have kids or if they are young and definitely don't want to have kids, then anything goes..more power to them.
What you can endure in a relationship may not be what your kid can endure.

i would agree with you if this was the middle ages and the kid was doomed to be stoned by an angry mob, but for goodness' sake, about half the peers of any kid born today just aren't going to care much at all.

and again, hardship doesn't make a life not worth living, and this is a MINOR hardship compared to being blind, deaf, a dwarf, clumsy, ugly... what level of eugenics are you proposing here? that's not an insult, that's a statement of fact... your idea here is eugenics... i just want to know how far you think it should be taken.

[InfiniteNothing]

No one knows what race I am. My girlfriend was really surprised to hear my mom's accent. Anyhow, I must say that I really like the whole interrace thing. I can be a minority if I want to (think AA), or I can be part of the majority; nobody knows and no one really stops to think about it. I took a survey and almost no one was right (about my race). This means no one really stereotypes me (white trash, other mean names go here). My childhood wasn't too tough even though I went to an all white elementary school after the 4th grade. They didn't really accept me but I think it's because I didn't grow up with them (small town), not because of race. I think that Mariah Carey didn't fit in because SHE WAS MARIAH CAREY. I think if you listen to all the good things interracial people like me have to say about all the benefits, we can come up with that in general the pro's of cross racial relationships outweigh the cons. I think there is a genetic argument for interracial couples too (Kinda like opposite incest).
With that said, I tend to discriminate on how people talk. If someone sounds stupid, I usually don't get along with them.

[Cantacuzene]

I dunno johnny, I really dont give a damn about what my peers would think. If they seem to have a problem with it they can take a long walk off a short pier. If they want to make threats or use racial epiphets they can spend the night or week in jail to cool themselves off a bit. As far as getting teased in school, little kids get teased everyday for tons of things and most of them learn to deal with it.

All that said, I don't think I would aprove of my daughter in an interrracial relationship, but if she fails in love and gets married, what can I do to stop her?

[Grimm]

Originally posted by johnnymk


It's nice to pretend that we are living in a color blind world, but we aren't.
Giving in to Satan is not the best way to deal with him. Renounce him as being powerless and he will be. Be strong and face the ugly reality, deal with it, overcome it. You and your children will be stronger for it.

Originally posted by johnnymk

By my stating that the kids will have problems much like Mariah Carey had growing up doesn't change those facts.
I know how cruel kids can be. All you have to is live on the wrong side of the tracks and you can be an outcast.

A child's best friends should be his/her family. And the people who accept him/her for who they are. Not a bunch of malcontents. If the people in my church can not accept a mixed race child I am in the wrong church. If they allow their children to torment others for not being like them then I need to find a real church. School is for learning, a mixed race child will have to learn better social skills. Even better for them.

Originally posted by johnnymk

They had a kid on a talk show about a week ago that had a major disfigurement and the kids at school constantly made fun of her.
Things really haven't changed as much as everyone thinks that they have.

I never really considered being a race other than pure white (there really are none)a "disfigurement".

Originally posted by johnnymk

I use to live in the South. I now live in the North.
The only thing different up here is that people's prejudices are not as apparent as they are in the South. In front of people that are different from themselves, they say one thing, but behind their backs, they say another.
And that includes both blacks and whites.
I advise you to associate with a better group of people. I saw that same thing when I was stationed in both the North and South while in the Navy. I chose not to associate with the people to whom race was such an important issue. Did you really want your children associating with them anyway?

[GraingerGuy]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
All that said, I don't think I would aprove of my daughter in an interrracial relationship, but if she fails in love and gets married, what can I do to stop her?

I'm curious....why?


Giving in to Satan is not the best way to deal with him. Renounce him as being powerless and he will be. Be strong and face the ugly reality, deal with it, overcome it. You and your children will be stronger for it.

I like this quote....

but I find it funny....given your avatar thingybob...:heh:

[Cantacuzene]

What I meant to convey was that if she fell in love and got married to someone of a different race I couldn't do anthing about it and I'd have to accept it, and accept him.

[johnnymk]

Originally posted by Grimm

Giving in to Satan is not the best way to deal with him. Renounce him as being powerless and he will be. Be strong and face the ugly reality, deal with it, overcome it. You and your children will be stronger for it.

A child's best friends should be his/her family. And the people who accept him/her for who they are. Not a bunch of malcontents. If the people in my church can not accept a mixed race child I am in the wrong church. If they allow their children to torment others for not being like them then I need to find a real church. School is for learning, a mixed race child will have to learn better social skills. Even better for them.

I never really considered being a race other than pure white (there really are none)a "disfigurement".

I advise you to associate with a better group of people. I saw that same thing when I was stationed in both the North and South while in the Navy. I chose not to associate with the people to whom race was such an important issue. Did you really want your children associating with them anyway?

You really do come to a lot of silly conclusions and add a lot of nonsense over what I said.

Having said that....No matter what position you or I favor, it's really not an issue that directly affects me.The world will keep on spinning regardless of our beliefs on this issue.
I don't have kids and won't have them because of my age. To me, if I was involved in an interracial relationship and she wanted kids, I would probably terminate it. But I also avoided women who wanted kids in the past who were the same race as me. It's just personal preference. (BTW, most of my close married friends never had children; that was what they chose).
If you or your children had to deal with this, more power to you and them. Maybe it's not that big of a deal in today's world, after all.

[ProMinx]

I'm currently in half of an interracial relationship. My girlfriend is half hungarian and half chinese, and she doesn't seem to regret growing up on the line between the two. I'm sure you can imagine my views on interracial relationships and mixed children...even if I do look like an Aryan übermensch and speak German...

ProMinx

ps - Hi guys...

[oblongmelon]

1.) Mariah Carey used her bi-racial status when it was convenient for her to rise to the top with her black hip hop friends-when she was married to Tommy Motola, she TOTALLY denied having a black parent on an interview with Barbara Walters. She was as white as white could be then..once they got divorced, she kind of reclaimed her bi-status. What a snob.
2.) In my our home growing up-everyone was welcome. Black,yellow,green,white, etc. When my oldest sister had a date with an asian guy, my father thought that was very cool. When she dated a sicilian guy-he almost put a bullet through her-My father had this idea in his head -like alot of old italians did-that sicilians were low class white trash, which was a hell of alot worse than bringing home someone of a different color.

[latingirl]

Originally posted by zenbooty
If my father was white, and my mother was a succubus, what does that make me?

What's a succubus?

[xsiled2]

Originally posted by latingirl


What's a succubus?

according to "behind the music that sucks"

its satans bitch :D

any way with the topic, i dont see the issue, a persons a person. if you love them your family or who ever shouldnt say anything. its ur life have fun...

[ufcrusher]

I dont have a problem with interracial dating. However, its not really something that I have had to give much thought to as I am not generally attracted to people other than my own race. That isnt to say that I dont think that there are some pretty people of other races, but it never rises to such a level that I want to go there.

That said, almost all of my friends have been in some sort of interracial relationship except for me...the farthest I ever went is interfaith.

[welfareloser]

jeez laweez, prominx, i just looked at your sig... that's not the toten hosen, is it? please tell me they're not still making music... :puke:

has to be them, unfortunately, with those puerile lyrics... :puke:

EDIT: okay, the relaoad showed the album cover instead of a red x... so it's a new band that's every bit as dippy as the toten hosen. and germany wonders why tourist revenue is down... :heh:

[Grimm]

Originally posted by johnnymk


You really do come to a lot of silly conclusions and add a lot of nonsense over what I said.

Having said that....No matter what position you or I favor, it's really not an issue that directly affects me.The world will keep on spinning regardless of our beliefs on this issue.
I don't have kids and won't have them because of my age. To me, if I was involved in an interracial relationship and she wanted kids, I would probably terminate it. But I also avoided women who wanted kids in the past who were the same race as me. It's just personal preference. (BTW, most of my close married friends never had children; that was what they chose).
If you or your children had to deal with this, more power to you and them. Maybe it's not that big of a deal in today's world, after all.
Well, you discounted my arguments out of hand, without providing a valid argument against, so I can't really respect your view. But I will thank you for not breeding.

[johnnymk]

Originally posted by Grimm

Well, you discounted my arguments out of hand, without providing a valid argument against, so I can't really respect your view.

Oh well, too bad...some comments just aren't worth further discussion. And I don't need your respect, thank you.

[welfareloser]

johnnymk, you're not answering my question: how far do you want to take this eugenics program of yours?

also, ever read "harrison bergeron?" if not, do so. it's a very short story, ten pages or less. because you seem to have the same idea, different only, maybe, in a metter of degree, not substance - lets make sure everybody's the same so nobody feels left out. yep, that'd improve humanity.

[johnnymk]

Originally posted by welfareloser
johnnymk, you're not answering my question: how far do you want to take this eugenics program of yours?

also, ever read "harrison bergeron?" if not, do so. it's a very short story, ten pages or less. because you seem to have the same idea, different only, maybe, in a metter of degree, not substance - lets make sure everybody's the same so nobody feels left out. yep, that'd improve humanity.

Repeat reply to Grimm.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by johnnymk


Repeat reply to Grimm.

so you're either

a- completely denying that your ideals have anything in common with eugenics or the world of Harrison Bergeron, to the point that you think they are crazy comparisons not worthy of response (and i think you're about the only person here who would try to say that... i think most other people can see the similarities... it's not like i compared you to jeffrey dahmer, this is not off-base at all.)

or

b- unable to defend your position and hiding behind a wall yelling "nyah-nyah i don't have to answer people i don't like even if they have valid points" (which is pretty hypocritical, given that this is a topic being DEBATED, and you enter the fray only to throw out your verbal turd and then duck and hide... kind of like calling the board game arbitrarily over in the middle of the game at any point at which your score happens to be the highest so that you can pretend you're the winner.)

[Cantacuzene]

Grimm and Welfare: what is different abotu what he is doing from what everyone else does in every other thread that gets too heated/personal. He doesn't have to respond, you dont have to respect him, he doesn't have to care. Its a wonderful cycle of denial. :D

[zenbooty]

I personally don't see the connection between Harrison Bergeron (Vonnegut, right? Or have I got the story wrong?) and eugenics. The Bergeron story is more a screed against socialism and its nature of supressing the individual for the good of the group. Eugenics seems more like a Niezchean scheme to eventually breed humanity toward a higher ideal, like the superman.

I guess both concepts are examples of social engineering. But that's the only parallel I can draw, and it seems a pretty weak link. I mean, there's all kinds of social engineering.

[johnnymk]

OK, I just looked up the word "Eugenics". I never even heard of that word before. It appears to be an elitist term, and it looks like it was a basis for the Nazi movement.
First of all, it is utter nonsense. There is no such thing as a superior race...never has been, never will be. All of man is prone to sinning and is powerless to the sting of death, so how could there be any one man or group of men superior to another? Plus that is also falls under the sin of "pride", which is detestable to God.
The reason I mentioned Mariah Carey's stance is that she claimed
she didn't fit in as a kid. She didn't know if she should hang around the black kids or the white kids. If we lived in an ideal world, she could hang around both and live happily ever after..Tra la la.
Maybe she made a bigger deal about that problem than what it was. It made sense to me. I was razzed as a kid when I moved from the South to the North, and when I moved backed down to the South, I was razzed as a Northerner. So I know a little of how to try to fit in when both sides are suspicious of you. To me, this kind of situation is something a kid doesn't deserve.
I asked a Jewish friend about this debate last night. He said "Well, what about the Jews, do you think that they shouldn't have any children because they will be persecuted?" I said that he had a good point. But at least the Jewish community is somewhat tight knit(at times, haha). And good or bad, they have their own identity.
The reason most of my married friends have not had children is that they enjoy their freedom...Period. And that is the main reason I never wanted them. I came from a home that had an alcoholic distant father with a lot of children. I sorta blamed his alcoholism on being married and having a lot of children. So I guess deep down I didn't want to repeat the same mistake.
So I figured that the eugenics thing was just another diversion technique to make this discussion drag on, ad nauseum. I hope that clarifies my stance.

[Ladogaboy]

Personally, I don't give a (insert four letter word here).

In my experience, people of mixed racial backgrounds tend to be the most beautiful (inside and out) and well balanced individuals I know.

[Hunny]

Originally posted by DarkFury

Up until now, I've pretty much stayed out of this conversation, but here's 2 more cents for ya...

I'm a Black man (Umm.. duh) but guess what.. 'cause a good man is a good man regardless of color.

Mariah... well, I just figured that she was in some kind of "denial" or something... :shrug:


:amidala: Now that was very nice :)....is this where I put that rude icon....:stupid:

As far as Mariah...black, white, purple or green...I think she's a sleeze :shrug:

[oblongmelon]

Originally posted by DarkFury

Up until now, I've pretty much stayed out of this conversation, but here's 2 more cents for ya...

I'm a Black man (Umm.. duh) but guess what? My Paternal Grandfather is WHITE and he had blue eyes. :eek: I'm sure that back in the early 1900's, they went through some VERY hard times being an interracial couple.

My father was about 2 shades lighter than myself (not that I am "super dark" per se in any respect here...) but his personality was one where he probably could get along with just about ANYBODY. When he died some 17 years ago, I looked at the folks who attended his funeral and guess what... they weren't all Black folks out there. If I had to call it, there were probably about 30% Whites in the audience paying their respects, and nobody EVER really had a mean thing to say about him as a person... 'cause a good man is a good man regardless of color.

Now granted, growing up, he was not seen for his "White" side. Anyone who saw him immediately identified him as a Black person (kinda that "one drop" theory...) however that never reduced him as a person. And it doesn't reduce me as a person either. (Not that I am claiming that any of this talk on this subject is...) In my experience, the Black community was more accepting of the "mix" than the White community was... therefore I guess many of the people debating in this thread against the notion of interracial relationships are scared that their race will in fact become "diluted" or something. Personally, I've only seen a couple of shades that a "White" person can be (usually due to tanning...) however "Black" people now come in a wide variety of shades... from creamy Beige (not including Micheal Jackson mind you... :eek: ) to dayuum near Purple (I'm talkin' a REAL dark brother here... one that can make Westley Snipes go... DAYUUUM!!!! :wow: )

Either way, Mariah Carey is mostly speaking for HERSELF. Not everyone feels as she does... I have had several bi-racial friends and none of them were "shunned" because their parents were of different races... however, I do know of the stigma (especially in the South) of mixed couples, but guess what? You have to live your life for YOU and not what others may think. Honestly, I'd prefer to date a "Black Nubian Queen" (if given a choice...), however I'd rather be with someone who is gonna treat me right first and worry about the racial issues later.

I'm just here to tell ya that "mixed kids" are gonna find their way in life regardless... and society just needs to deal with it. Mariah... well, I just figured that she was in some kind of "denial" or something... but a wake up call was right in order for her. Hopefully that's all it was. :shrug:

SHE WAS in denial all right-all the way to the bank when she married Motola. I agree with hunny-she's a sleeze.

[Kevster]

I just started reading this thread and being originally from the Bay Area, I don't have any problems with interracial couples. One of my cousins is marrying a cool Korean guy (he asked her at Christmas) and I couldn't be happier for them.

Before I met my dutch girl (her grandparents are from Holland) and married her I was in several interracial relationships in college that included a few Latinas and an african-american woman who at the time held the title of Miss Inglewood (and was a runner-up to Miss California that year).

As for me I'm 1/4 American Indian so that kind of makes me mixed race. You normally can't tell because I look like an average white guy except that I tan VERY well.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by zenbooty
I personally don't see the connection between Harrison Bergeron (Vonnegut, right? Or have I got the story wrong?) and eugenics.

i wasn't trying to connect those two... here's how i was thinking:

jmk's stance reminded me of eugenics, in that he felt that certain kinds of people should not breed because the lives of their offspring were not worth living. they'll be wierd, they'll be different, it'll be hard on 'em... so keep 'em out of the gene pool!

his stance also reminded me of one aspect of harrison bergeron, in that we shouldn't diversify the human race... lets make sure nobody feels left out! those who might dislike a different kind of person should be able to dictate that these different kinds of people shouldn't exist. in harrison bergeron, superior people were artificially hindered to make them no better than the lowest common denominator... in jmk's world, it's not superiority that should be eliminated, but the "differentness." it's just one aspect that struck me as similar.

i was just wondering what other kinds of differentness he felt should be eliminated... only racial? other physical oddities? albinos? dwarfs?

[johnnymk]

welfare, you either took way too many psychology courses or you are one of the biggest conspiracy nuts around. Everything doesn't have to have a hidden meaning!

BTW, because I like Karaoke, Kitties and Komputers, I guess that means I'm secretly in the KKK.

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by johnnymk
welfare, you either took way too many psychology courses or you are one of the biggest conspiracy nuts around. Everything doesn't have to have a hidden meaning!

BTW, because I like Karaoke, Kitties and Komputers, I guess that means I'm secretly in the KKK.

hidden meaning? i think your meaning was pretty durned obvious.

with the references to eugenics and the vonnegut story, i am simply drawing up a couple of allegories to illustrate my points... i see no conspiracy here, no hidden meainings, i'm not uncovering anything deep and wierd. i'm using comparisons to illustrate exactly why i disagree with you.

i'm not calling you a nazi. i know you don't favor genocide or jim crow (or at least, i'm pretty durned sure ;) ) i'm simply pointing out what i see as the faulty logic behind your assertion that people of different races shouldn't have children.

[Hunny]

Originally posted by johnnymk
I saw an interview with Mariah Carey once. She said that growing up was very difficult because the black community didn't accept her and the white community looked down on her.
So, for the sake of the kids, I say it's a definite No-No.


Allow me :o ....Johnny...let me see if I can make this simple...in my simple way :) ...you stated your thoughts/feelings/opinion...just like we all did...
So, for the sake of the kids, I say it's a definite No-No.
Could you possibly have meant..
and this is without reading into sigmund freud and how he articulated and refined the concepts of the unconscious, of infantile sexuality, of repression, and proposed a tri-partite account of the mind's structure, all as part of a radically new conceptual and therapeutic frame of reference for the understanding of human psychological development and the treatment of abnormal mental conditions. Notwithstanding the multiple manifestations of psychoanalysis as it exists today *taking a deep breath* :rolleyes: ;) :D

.......just maybeeeee....in English now.... you just thought it better not to have children all the way around...of any color...because of the ignorance of other people in the world...and how they treat others unlike themselves or those less fortunate ...people are indeed cruel...and children do get picked on alot growing up...and maybe you've seen more of it than you would have liked to have...leading to your decision not to have kids...

It's just personal preference.
I don't see anything wrong with that :shrug:
...and further more....Mariah is still a sleeze
:amidala:

[Showtime]

Thoughts
-Race is a myth. It changes every few milleniums.
-What is Aryan? I've heard that 20 generations can cleanse a mixed persons blood. LOL!
-I accept people with racist views. Better to be out in the open about it. I usually here the same reasons/excuses from people.
-I know a lot of black racists.
-I know a lot of people who are not racist cuz they have a friend whos......... :shrug:
-It's more important who you are than what. Character goes a lot further than lineage IMO.
-Jews and Arabs carry the same DNA. Abraham's children kill each other daily.
-I am mixed (and slightly confused), but I still add up to 100% American.
-Mariah Carrey had some rough times growing up. It affects her to this day. From that mix came one of the most beautiful voices ever heard. Who are we to judge.
-Tiger is African........... and he is also Thai. He chooses to not pick one or the other. Good for Tiger! I choose to not to categorize either.
-Sometimes I feel animosity from others cuz they can't label me.
-Sometimes, cuz I refuse to be labled.
-People want to be able to classify people like they do dogs.
-Would it bother you not to know someones ethnicity?

Having mixed kids
I know so many now....
When I was growing up it was pretty rare. I felt pretty isolated at times. I see so many well adjusted kids with mixed backgrounds nowadays. I also see so many with problems. Some live in their own private hell. From good well rounded -> basket cases.
Is that much different than the "pure breeds."
It's more important having a good loving family to come home to every day than being this breed or that. Not allowing cultural differences as dividers. Celebrating the different traditions and languages and foods. :munch:
Both parents need to acknowledge and show respect for each other and each others cultures. Too many times I've seen parents make jokes and belittle the others culture. Stupid parent! Your child is on the receiving end of that diss.
Negative family members should not be around the children. Even though those negative people could learn alot from the kids.
If you treat the kids different, they will feel different and parents need to protect their children from bigots who only want to spread their misery.

Final Thought
If you want to remain "pure", than do that. If you want to "take a chance" and bring mixed children into this world, than do that. Just be aware that love and tolerance needs to be shown either way.

As for myself. I will date and whoever I want to(whoever will put with me :P ). I won't trap myself in a box and risk missing out cuz she's the a different shade or speaks another language. I will be with who my heart tells me to, not necessarily what the breeders will allow.

-jel:halo:

[johnnymk]

Originally posted by Hunny



Allow me :o ....Johnny...let me see if I can make this simple...in my simple way :) ...you stated your thoughts/feelings/opinion...just like we all did...
Could you possibly have meant..
and this is without reading into sigmund freud .......

Well, Freud was a total nut case. People put too much stock into his pscyhological theories.

..just maybeeeee....in English now.... you just thought it better not to have children all the way around...of any color...because of the ignorance of other people in the world...and how they treat others unlike themselves or those less fortunate ...people are indeed cruel...and children do get picked on alot growing up...and maybe you've seen more of it than you would have liked to have...leading to your decision not to have kids...[/QUOTE]

That sounds like a good summary

I don't see anything wrong with that :shrug:
...and further more....Mariah is still a sleeze
:amidala: [/QUOTE]

Add a couple thousand of Hollywood's best to that list

[molecularfire]

What is Aryan? I've heard that 20 generations can cleanse a mixed persons blood. LOL!
Works for mice, not people. I'm not sure that 20 generations breeding into a race can clense a mixed person's blood because there are too many different genes within any given race anyways. Now... 20 generations of inbreeding can get everybody to look like each other because they'd all be genetically almost identical (I guess except for the Y chromosome).


I accept people with racist views. Better to be out in the open about it. I usually here the same reasons/excuses from people.
That's why I vote republican. :D


Jews and Arabs carry the same DNA. Abraham's children kill each other daily.
They only carry half of the same DNA. That's the historic reason for their fighting. Personally, I think they fight now because they're just used to it. :shrug:


My personal opinion... I don't have a problem with interracial marriages because they generate some really cute girls. Now... that may not be of any benefit to me at this stage, but by the time I'm 60, I'll be glad that I supported this at this stage of my life.
:naughty: (j/k)

That being said, I'm being a hypocrite because I've never dated someone who wasn't asian. :shrug: