audigy2 for $82 on newegg w rebate.

[uberares]

newegg has audigy2s for 112$ and a 30$ newegg rebate. Plus there is free shipping on it too.... get em while they are hot, thats a fantastic deal b4 the rebate.
lowest I have seen is 105$ with 6$ shipping.

for those of u who arent newegg friendly( how that could be I dont know) ... newegg (http://www.newegg.com)

[BabyJesusDC]

With Creative's crap support, you could NOT PAY me to get that POS hardware anywhere near my machine.. They have actually banned me from thier forums 3 times now for trying to get help and pointing out the poor support they gave me for my Audigy1 and Live.

Want a REAL card? Get a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz, good drivers, acceptable support. And I think COMPUSA has it on sale for $49 this week(in store).

Trust me, you don't want the squeal of death.

Support conversation with me and creative(roughly).

Me-"I have a problem with a blue screen and squeal playing some games"

Creative-"must be your system, did you update your bios, install updated system drivers"

Me-"yes"

Creative-"..."

Me-"well? what now?"

Creative-"Do you run on a VIA MOTHERBOARD?"

Me-"Well actually I have 3 systems one on an INTEL chipset, one on an NFORCE chipset and one on an ALi chipset, all exhibit the problem on Win2k or WinXP after a certain amount of time playing a game, so no no VIA mobo"

Creative-"Did you try disabling EAX?"

Me-"On the games I could yes, but isn't that the purpose of the card?"

Creative-"Did you try a clean OS install?"

Me-"yes"

Creative-"..."

Me-"No ideas?"

Creative-"maybe the next driver update will fix it?"

Me-"When can I expect it?"

Creative-"Unknown as of this time."

Me-"So What am I supposed to do with these cards?"

Creative-"..."

Me-"thanks for nothing"

I then went for help in creatives forums news.creative.com , perhaps the wealth of knowledge on the forum may help with it. All I got there was the same bunk, and I noticed that there were alot of people having the same issue and no one actually could fix it, so I spoke out and got banned.

Die Creative Die.

[sbp]

Good deal for a good sound card.

Personally I would have no problem buying this card. Leon on the other hand...:heh:

Creative is hardly the only one with crap support. Unfortunately weak support is too common amongst a lot of companies.

Audigy 2 is the best performing game card available, and it has better drivers than the Audigy. Even hardcore Creative Labs bandwagon haters have to admit this is a good product. :P

With the latest drivers some who have done direct comparisons say the Audigy 2 is on par with or even prefer it over the Santa Cruz for music.

For those who own an Audigy though, this card is not much of upgrade.

[BabyJesusDC]

That's Creative's 2nd biggest problem. New card every year while dropping the ball on last years product.

As far as the Audigy2 being the best... Thats arguable, problem that Creative is going to have in the next couple years is the fact that there isnt much more that can be done on the PC audio front. But I'm sure they will be pimping the Audigy3 post haste.

I'd even recommend one of the Hercules cards.. It is a similar chipset as the SC(slightly less powerful).

[sbp]

Yes, the Fortissimo III is a good bang for buck soundcard thats does well with games.

Moving along to the other points...
Problem is Hercules support isn't all that stellar either.

"New card every year while dropping the ball on last years product." And the same point could be made about Hercules. After all they've come out with various Fortissimo's and GTXP's over the years.

Of course we won't mention the downgrade of the GTXP from the Cirrus Logic CS4630 to the CS4624 last year. Probably didn't make a difference in terms of useful functionality and it did reduce cost.

I do think there is more to be done on the pc audio front.

[BabyJesusDC]

"Problem is Hercules support isn't all that stellar either."

I'd agree for the most part.. The thing is the chipset is not as picky with timing and seems to be just easier use/install.

Plus by staying with the same chipset I think that helps them with future driver support because they can create the driver for all of their cards from one base.

Creative is horribly slow with driver updates, the Audigy took more than a year to get thier FIRST update. Even though several reproducable problems where there from very early on.

The Santa Cruz had upwards of 10 new driver releases, usually weeks or days after a problem arised, not 12+ MONTHS.

Just cruising the creative newsgroup a few minutes ago and I saw people posting links to USER created driver fixes. To me that is HORRIBLE. Plus I saw a few posts where people had their speaker settings go back to 2.1 on every restart. Not a big deal overall but HUGELY annoying problem that is easly remedied by a minor update.


"I do think there is more to be done on the pc audio front."

Other than inputs/outputs I don't see much but I'm not exactly an expert on all that either.. I mean you have cards that can do 5.1,6.1,(and isnt one 7.1?) and so on but how many speakers do you really need around your PC? Is sound that much better from a 6.1 system than a 5.1 system?

Anyway thats cool... We will just agree to disagree...

[Brian48]

First of all, I know one of the people who use to work for Creative-USA and on occasion, he would mod the Creative newsgroup. They would not have banned you from their forums unless you escalated your "request for help" to "trolling the boards". Second of all, I've owned a Santa Cruz (as well as almost EVERY consumer-level sound card on the market) for almost three years now. Their driver support used to be pretty good, but even in their hay-day, it was no where near as exaggerated you claim it to be (upwards to 10 drivers releases :rolleyes: ?). Look, I know you're pissed at Creative, but don't start sounding like a zealot and expect people to take you seriously. If you don't like the company, fine, but don't flame the product itself if you haven't tried it. $82 is a superb price for this card.

Back to the Santa Cruz. Granted, the current WHQL v4161s drivers are actually pretty solid, however there are still some issues that I would like to see rectified.

1. WinXP sp1 introduced a minor, but very annoying bug where emulated 5.1 disables itself after a reboot. You have to manually enable it each time you boot up. I've replicated this on four separate boxes and Voyetra has not been able to give me a viable fix. Loading a fixed preset upon restart doesn't work either.

2. Gameport compatibility with nForce2 boards. You get a resource conflict with the gameport. You're pretty much forced to use the onboard. Not an issue if the on-board is integrated into the I/O interface with the rest of the jacks, but if it uses an external bracket like my Asus A7N8X and Epox 8RDA, this adds needless clutter within your case. There's a gameport on the card, I SHOULD be able to use it. This issue has been posted several times over at Athlonmb.com and nForcersHQ.com. Essentially two cards have this problem, the Santa Cruz and the Audigy2 (and Creative has since corrected the problem on their side with their Feb driver release).

3. They have never settled the mic cross-talk issue with this card and some systems. Those of you who still use Roger Wilco or similiar service will know what I'm talking about. I personally believe it's a hardware issue exasperated by the fact that Versa Jack was made to be so flexible so I'm not sure what they can do about this.

I won't hold my breath on Voyetra fixing these issues any time soon as they are moving away from the sound card market at the moment and have specially told me in a direct email that they are NOT developing any more drivers for this card. The (unreleased) WinXP v4167s I've been using under WinXP doesn't solve any of these issues either, although I'm not surprised since these are before WinXP sp1.

In regards to driver support from Creative, I personally think they've taken a bad rap in this one area. True, a lot of the flak may be well deserved due to their other practices and support handling of the original Audigy, but let's give credit where credit is due. Driver updates has not been as bad as people make it out to be. Because I happen to own a crap load of different sound cards, I've got a vested interest in keeping track of driver updates for all of them. Since the advant of WinXP (about the same time the original Audigy was released - Aug 2001), there has been FIVE drivers updates for the Audigy (three official, two non-official through OEMs only). The first one was in Nov 01' and the second one was in May 02' (I lost track after that). If it took a year for you to notice that there were new drivers, then that's completely your fault, although I suspect that you're just exaggerating again. As far as driver updates go for the other major brands, both Philips and Voyetra has had only ONE driver update since the release of WinXP, where as Hercules has only two for it's GTXP and Fortissimo series, although a 3rd one is pending. Philips is the one that really pisses me off the most as the lastest set of WDM drivers (v1.89) disables the 96 hardware voices down to 32. Those wondering why the Acoustic/Seismic Edge sound cards fail the 60 sounds test in 3dmark2003, well now you know.

Anyway, does this mean the SBLive/Audigy does not have problems? Absolutely not. But you can't fault them for not updating their software or at least make the attempt. It's more than what some other companies are doing.

In regards to the Audigy2, it seems that they are doing the same thing that ATI is doing in regards to winning public opinion. The A2 has been out roughly 4-5 months. There has been an amazing FOUR driver releases thus far, including the release on the CD. What's surprising is that some of the updates are not just for bug fixes, but new features and optimizations as well. Something I haven't seen Creative do in a long time. I think they're headed in the right direction.

Don't get wrong, I'm not the biggest fan of Creative either. I had three different Audigys at one time (X-Gamer, MP3+, and OEM) and eventually got rid of all them, favoring instead my old Acoustic Edge for gaming and my Santa Cruz for music (I like the Fortissimo also because of it's DAT output). For a long time I felt almost (almost) as strongly against Creative as you do. To this day, I would never recommend the original Audigy to anyone. My negative experiences with the Audigy almost made me pass on the Audigy2, but I'm glad I didn't 'cause the A2 is one hell of a great card. The Cirrus Logic CS4382 DACs are so clean sounding that music/.mp3 reproduction (the ONLY advantage the SC held over the Creative cards) with the A2 is just as good as the Santa Cruz. It's really just a toss up now based on personal preferences. If one has the money, I'd definitely recommend it over the Santa Cruz.

[uberares]

wow, all this over a simple notification of a good price. Wheather you would buy an A2 or not, this price is far and away better than anywhere else. And, after all that is the point of gotapex isnt it? I can understand bringing negative issues to light on products, but the outright attack was a little much in my opinion.

Anyway, I run a soyo dragon Mb with onboard sound. I purchased this card partially because of newegg's almost fanatic customer support, and its a great price on a card that is overall well worth 80 bux..

Besides there is always ebay if I dont like it....

[sbp]

Welcome to the forums Brian48.
Great comprehensive posts.

[NuTs62]

Sadly, I invested quite a bit of money in Audigy 1.. i got the Audigy Platinum eX. And I'm still hoping that they'll release new drivers, which is doubtful. :/ I think I'll skip another generation before I buy another one from 'em.

[BabyJesusDC]

"1. WinXP sp1 introduced a minor, but very annoying bug where emulated 5.1 disables itself after a reboot. You have to manually enable it each time you boot up. I've replicated this on four separate boxes and Voyetra has not been able to give me a viable fix. Loading a fixed preset upon restart doesn't work either."

I have never had that problem on my rig. Can't bitch about a problem I've never seen.

"2. Gameport compatibility with nForce2 boards. You get a resource conflict with the gameport. You're pretty much forced to use the onboard. Not an issue if the on-board is integrated into the I/O interface with the rest of the jacks, but if it uses an external bracket like my Asus A7N8X and Epox 8RDA, this adds needless clutter within your case. There's a gameport on the card, I SHOULD be able to use it. This issue has been posted several times over at Athlonmb.com and nForcersHQ.com. Essentially two cards have this problem, the Santa Cruz and the Audigy2 (and Creative has since corrected the problem on their side with their Feb driver release)."

Sorry, I haven't used a gameport since they became pretty useless after WIN98 SE, due to various WINDOWS problem recognizing sticks.

"3. They have never settled the mic cross-talk issue with this card and some systems. Those of you who still use Roger Wilco or similiar service will know what I'm talking about. I personally believe it's a hardware issue exasperated by the fact that Versa Jack was made to be so flexible so I'm not sure what they can do about this."

I haven't seen that with Game Commander 2 or MS GameVoice.

"First of all, I know one of the people who use to work for Creative-USA and on occasion, he would mod the Creative newsgroup. They would not have banned you from their forums unless you escalated your "request for help" to "trolling the boards". Second of all, I've owned a Santa Cruz (as well as almost EVERY consumer-level sound card on the market) for almost three years now. Their driver support used to be pretty good, but even in their hay-day, it was no where near as exaggerated you claim it to be (upwards to 10 drivers releases ?). Look, I know you're pissed at Creative, but don't start sounding like a zealot and expect people to take you seriously. If you don't like the company, fine, but don't flame the product itself if you haven't tried it. $82 is a superb price for this card."

Good for you, I know for ONE thing HARVEY FONG is a GIANT unhelpful *******. I was banned for speaking my mind, not trolling. I looked for help and I got the rath of the Creative Zealots who live on that board offering nothing but harrassment to people with problems. By the way, there were also issues with a few religious goofs who took offense at my nickname. What that had to do with the card I still wonder about.

"In regards to driver support from Creative, I personally think they've taken a bad rap in this one area. True, a lot of the flak may be well deserved due to their other practices and support handling of the original Audigy, but let's give credit where credit is due. Driver updates has not been as bad as people make it out to be. Because I happen to own a crap load of different sound cards, I've got a vested interest in keeping track of driver updates for all of them. Since the advant of WinXP (about the same time the original Audigy was released - Aug 2001), there has been FIVE drivers updates for the Audigy (three official, two non-official through OEMs only). The first one was in Nov 01' and the second one was in May 02' (I lost track after that). If it took a year for you to notice that there were new drivers, then that's completely your fault, although I suspect that you're just exaggerating again. As far as driver updates go for the other major brands, both Philips and Voyetra has had only ONE driver update since the release of WinXP, where as Hercules has only two for it's GTXP and Fortissimo series, although a 3rd one is pending. Philips is the one that really pisses me off the most as the lastest set of WDM drivers (v1.89) disables the 96 hardware voices down to 32. Those wondering why the Acoustic/Seismic Edge sound cards fail the 60 sounds test in 3dmark2003, well now you know."

Bull, on specifically the Audigy the first update was about a year from release. Yeah non-official driver releases REALLY help the general public who usually have to go through hoops to get them, if they can at all. Look I checked for drivers on that card WEEKLY, there were none there. Voyetra only had to really do a minor update as thier drivers for win2k were already pretty mature and stable. I cant speak to the Phillips sound cards, never tried one.

Oh by the way, I clearly remember upgrading the SC drivers MANY MANY times seems like about 10 or so..

"The Cirrus Logic CS4382 DACs are so clean sounding that music/.mp3 reproduction (the ONLY advantage the SC held over the Creative cards) with the A2 is just as good as the Santa Cruz."

Even though the SC doesn't have blue screen issues? Never once have I had a sound related blue screen on my PC's with the SC installed.

[Brian48]

I really understand why they banned you now. Guess what, you get what you dish out. Come off like an a-hole, people will do the same to you. I don't know Harvey, of course, so I can't comment on him.

In regards to driver updates for both the SC and Creative, once again, you're either wrong or lying. I am correct of the driver versions released for the Audigy. I have the driver packages saved on CD and in front me. Granted, the OEM releases were a little more difficult to get (especially the Dell release), but they were still available and posted on all the support sites/user groups at the time. If you truly took the time to troubleshoot your problems as you've implied, you would have found them. Also, there has never been 10 driver releases for the SC unless you're counting all the OS's (VXD and WDM) together :rolleyes: . In any event, that's a mute point now and is irrevelant to your argument as there are no longer any more future releases.

Regarding the BSOD, I will refrain from insulting you by saying that it's user error or failure to fix a problem. All I'll say is that there numerous people who do not have a problem with Creative cards, just like you claim that you've never had a problem with the SC. If there's one thing I've learned after spending all this money on various sound cards is that none of them are perfect. I personally think all the Creative problems are attributed to either outdated or incorrect design of the card itself and no amount of driver tuning would fix any particular problem if it doesn't get along with the rest of your hardware.

What IS a fact, is that you've never tried this new card and you've taken every opportunity to turn people away from what might potentially be a great deal for them. Don't want to try it? That's great. It's your perogative and YOUR loss. Hate the company, that's OK too. Felt that way about ATI for a long time, but I never slammed the hardware itself. You don't need to flame every Creative (or whatever) post just because some tech rep hurt your feelings in a newsgroup.

[BabyJesusDC]

"I really understand why they banned you now. Guess what, you get what you dish out. Come off like an a-hole, people will do the same to you. I don't know Harvey, of course, so I can't comment on him."

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. You have no idea what went on there.

"In regards to driver updates for both the SC and Creative, once again, you're either wrong or lying. I am correct of the driver versions released for the Audigy. I have the driver packages saved on CD and in front me. Granted, the OEM releases were a little more difficult to get (especially the Dell release), but they were still available and posted on all the support sites/user groups at the time. If you truly took the time to troubleshoot your problems as you've implied, you would have found them. Also, there has never been 10 driver releases for the SC unless you're counting all the OS's (VXD and WDM) together . In any event, that's a mute point now and is irrevelant to your argument as there are no longer any more future releases. "

Yeah I'm lying when you just proved my point.

"Regarding the BSOD, I will refrain from insulting you by saying that it's user error or failure to fix a problem. All I'll say is that there numerous people who do not have a problem with Creative cards, just like you claim that you've never had a problem with the SC. If there's one thing I've learned after spending all this money on various sound cards is that none of them are perfect. I personally think all the Creative problems are attributed to either outdated or incorrect design of the card itself and no amount of driver tuning would fix any particular problem if it doesn't get along with the rest of your hardware."

Do YOU work for Creative, sure starting to sound like it. How exactly could the BSOD be MY issue. Lets see, install Windows 2000(which I did several time troubleshooting issue), install all relevant Mobo drivers AND WIN2K SERVICE PACKS, install card, turn on computer, install Audigy driver,install game, play game, get BSOD. How in gods name could it be USER error? Impossible. Bad driver or card with picky timing does not equal user error. I do recall some Dell drivers being out there about 8 months after release, but you needed to tweak them to make them work, that was when I installed the SC and never looked back. The "official" drivers were released some 4 months later. By the way, my hardware is pretty basic stuff, no overclocking. I had no oddball hardware installed in any of the systems, the only things installed were Sound Card, Vid card, NIC card.

I do love how you immediatly call someone a liar, who attacked who? I attacked a card. Woohoo.

"What IS a fact, is that you've never tried this new card and you've taken every opportunity to turn people away from what might potentially be a great deal for them. Don't want to try it? That's great. It's your perogative and YOUR loss. Hate the company, that's OK too. Felt that way about ATI for a long time, but I never slammed the hardware itself. You don't need to flame every Creative (or whatever) post just because some tech rep hurt your feelings in a newsgroup."

The only fact in the hole paragraph is I never tried the Audigy2. Why would I after the crap I went through with both the Live and the Audigy1. Only a fool would discount his previous experience. I did look up the Audigy2 and people STILL have issues with BSOD's on that card, so it seems I'm not totally wrong as you seem to imply. And where did I flame every Creative post? Seems my count for flaming Creative posts amounts to ONE. It has nothing to do with hurt feelings, but has everything to do with shoddy support.

[Brian48]

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. You have no idea what went on there.

No, but I know enough that no one would get banned from any forum unless he/she was a troll. Based on your posts (especially your whiney reply to sbp), I tend to believe it.


Yeah I'm lying when you just proved my point.

Not sure what you mean by this one. What point are you refering to except that you're completely wrong (or a liar - you take your pick). The Dell and Compaq drivers came AFTER the May '02 release I mentioned earlier, but of course, you were the only one in the world that this was kept a secret too :rolleyes:.


Do YOU work for Creative, sure starting to sound like it.

Typical troll response when there's nothing smarter to say. Unless I join in the Creative bashing, I must obviously work for them. This is a moronic comment and you're not helping your case.


Only a fool would discount his previous experience.

Absolutely true. And only an idiot would talk crap about something he doesn't have a clue about. You have no experience with this card or the present level of support Creative has been providing of late, which is currently BETTER than any other sound card manufacturer at moment (albeit by default). That may be hard to believe, but it's fact.

Also, no one asked for your opinion regarding this product that you, once again, know nothing about. It was just a simple notice of a sale, just like the one you put up. If that's offensive to you because you can't get over your bad love affair with Creative, that's your problem.

[BabyJesusDC]

"No, but I know enough that no one would get banned from any forum unless he/she was a troll. Based on your posts (especially your whiney reply to sbp), I tend to believe it."

Again you're wrong. I was banned for 3 reasons as far as I can tell, for recommending a Santa Cruz to someone with the same issues as me and a few religious zealots complained about my alias, and commenting that the support mechanism for Creative is horrid. Something that is shared amoungst alot of former creative customres, look above.

"Not sure what you mean by this one. What point are you refering to except that you're completely wrong (or a liar - you take your pick). The Dell and Compaq drivers came AFTER the May '02 release I mentioned earlier, but of course, you were the only one in the world that this was kept a secret too."

I am speaking about the Audigy1, surely that was released LONG before May '02. New "official driver for the Audigy one took nearly a year to come out. I stand by that statement. I know its a fact, perhaps google stores archives of creatives newgroups, if you looked you'd FIND MANY MANY people asking Harvey when the drivers were coming for MONTHS UPON MONTHS.

"Typical troll response when there's nothing smarter to say. Unless I join in the Creative bashing, I must obviously work for them. This is a moronic comment and you're not helping your case."

Who is trolling? Not me, I posted my experience with creative, the only thing I based here was the Product/Company. You came in like Creative's white knight. Fact is I was never critical of anything but creative/card. I also fail to see how I was rude to SBP. I disagreed with him on some things and agreed with him on others, so what?

"Absolutely true. And only an idiot would talk crap about something he doesn't have a clue about. You have no experience with this card or the present level of support Creative has been providing of late, which is currently BETTER than any other sound card manufacturer at moment. That may be hard to believe, but it's fact.

"Also, no one asked for your opinion regarding this product that you, once again, know nothing about. It was just a simple notice of a sale, just like the one you put up. If that's offensive to you because you can't get over your bad love affair with Creative, that's your problem."

I many know nothing about the Audigy2 per se', but AGAIN why would I think that they have changed after YEARS of the same crap from creative? So they posted a few more driver updates? That instantly makes them above reproach? Give me a break, I posted my experience with Creative, SO WHAT? Seems its YOUR problem. People should be informed about the crappy company that Creative is. Take a look at the creative forums, people are STILL having issues with BSOD's, something that should have been addressed in the 2nd part for sure. From what I have seen it seems to be a PCI timing issue something that should be fixed in the Audigy2 but it seems it has not.

One of the very big reasons to upgrade to a true 32 bit OS is for stability don't you think BSOD's kind of ruin that?

[Brian48]

Again you're wrong. I was banned for 3 reasons as far as I can tell, for recommending a Santa Cruz to someone with the same issues as me and a few religious zealots complained about my alias, and commenting that the support mechanism for Creative is horrid. Something that is shared amoungst alot of former creative customres, look above.

Sure. Most convicts say they're innocent too, but they're still banned. Oops, I meant behind bars :rolleyes: You would not have been banned from any forum for any of the reasons you've specified unless you were instigating a flame war.


I am speaking about the Audigy1, surely that was released LONG before May '02. New "official driver for the Audigy one took nearly a year to come out. I stand by that statement. I know its a fact, perhaps google stores archives of creatives newgroups, if you looked you'd FIND MANY MANY people asking Harvey when the drivers were coming for MONTHS UPON MONTHS.

What are you talking about? I remember exactly when the A1 was released. Approximately Aug 01', coinciding with the WinXP launch date. I picked it up at around that time and there was a driver update in Nov 01', followed up the May release, then two OEM release after that (which WERE available to the general public), and finally the last one a few months ago. How many updates has Voyetra released during this time?


Who is trolling? Not me, I posted my experience with creative, the only thing I based here was the Product/Company. You came in like Creative's white knight. Fact is I was never critical of anything but creative/card. I also fail to see how I was rude to SBP. I disagreed with him on some things and agreed with him on others, so what?

So what is your problem with my disagreeing with you? Especially when you're spreading so much disinformation? Dish it out, but can't take it? You've been implying I'm just a fanboy and I'm saying you're just an ignorant zealot.


Take a look at the creative forums, people are STILL having issues with BSOD's, something that should have been addressed in the 2nd part for sure. From what I have seen it seems to be a PCI timing issue something that should be fixed in the Audigy2 but it seems it has not.

One of the very big reasons to upgrade to a true 32 bit OS is for stability don't you think BSOD's kind of ruin that?

I've yet to see ANY newsgroup for ANY product, that didn't have waves upon waves of bitches and gripes about one thing or another. Have you bothered to check out the other forums? Every product has it's problems. Creative is no different. If Voyetra had it's own forum, you'd see the same. By the way, I've never had a BSOD related to any Creative product, but by saying that, I suppose that's a good opportunity for you to call me a liar, right?

Regarding your comment about being a "white knight" for Creative, I call it as I see it and I give credit where credit is due. I'm not so blinded by bias as you are that I'd limit myself to any one company. I don't have any loyalties to anyone. That's just plain silly. I will however, say that Creative is finally moving in the right direction and should be applauded for that.

[BabyJesusDC]

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=audigy+drivers&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=u%25629.677%24m15.128787%40news010.worldonline.dk&rnum=6

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=audigy+drivers&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=OpCgeJpoBHA.2112%40tkmsftngp05&rnum=10

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=audigy+drivers&start=30&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=9lg5te%24abp%241%40news.creativelabs.com&rnum=33

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=audigy+drivers&start=30&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=aldaab%24ga%242%40venus.btinternet.com&rnum=35

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=audigy+drivers&start=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=%23UzCFfITCHA.1652%40tkmsftngp09&rnum=57

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=audigy+drivers&start=60&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=9wvx9.673537%24Ag2.25797388%40news2.calgary.shaw.ca&rnum=61

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=audigy+drivers&start=60&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3b882ab6.1852063%40news.creativelabs.com&rnum=64

All that really needs to be said

[Brian48]

Blah, blah, blah :rolleyes:

You gotta be kidding, right? Sigh, I really thought you'd have a better come back than this instead of substituting your troll babble with those from these idiotic newsgroups. Do you not think (obviously not) that the same thing might come up if you type in "Santa Cruz drivers support" under Goggle as well?

Look, if you can't carry an argument on your own, then don't bother making the attempt. Jeez, what a waste of time :rolleyes:

[Nija]

in case anyone else cares to know about the actual topic of the thread (the Audigy2 costing $89 after mail in rebate) it is vaild from 2/24/03 to 03/15/03. So if you want it, buy it. If you don't, don't.

Thanks for playin'

BTW here is the direct link to the product in question
Audigy 2 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=29-102-154&DEPA=1)

[Brian48]

Also, I wasn't going to be so rude as to say this, but...... although I firmly believe that there were some legitimate issues with Creative hardware and their drivers, in your case, I think it's purely an issue of PEBKAC. I suggest you learn to communicate in a rational manner should you have another problem with some other piece of equipment you can't figure out. That way, you won't get wrongly banned again for "innocently speaking your mind". :rolleyes:

[Brian48]

Originally posted by Nija
in case anyone else cares to know about the actual topic of the thread (the Audigy2 costing $89 after mail in rebate) it is vaild from 2/24/03 to 03/15/03. So if you want it, buy it. If you don't, don't.

Thanks for playin'

BTW here is the direct link to the product in question
Audigy 2 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=29-102-154&DEPA=1)

LOL! I'm sorry Nija :D . It's just that I deal with spin doctors like this character all day and it's hard turn it off immediately. Rock on, Dude :P

[BabyJesusDC]

Hey Brian FU! Spin doctor MY ASS. What do you do for a living? I am a senior systems admin for a Fortune500 company with 17 servers and 500+ users. My systems run on a mix of Alpha Servers(running VMS), Windows 2000, WindowsNT, and Novell. I know how to make hardware work, I have done this for 17+ years. I have certs in WinNT and 2k, VMS(only like 200 of us left), Novell and a BS in computer science. I think I know my way around a computer.

As to your comments about not being able to figure out a piece of hardware, that argument is complete and utter RUBBISH, as there is nothing TO installing a sound card. Remove old sound card/driver(if you're not starting the system fresh) and install sound card, then install drivers.

What argument have you made? None really, you have offered no proof of ANYTHING you have said, you just came in and disputed what I said with absolutely NO PROOF. Sure you spouted some dates but that does not automatically make it truth, at least I offered something in the way of proof.

I still fail to see what was wrong with the original post, so I don't think creative is a worthy company for my business or anyone's business.

I also never threw insults around at you or SBP which you seem to do quite a bit. Sorry I insulted a product that seem very dear to you. You can continue to pack those Audigy2 boxes now.

If anyone started flaming it was you.

[Brian48]

Hey Brian FU!

Now that's more like it. :) Your other reply was just darn lame. I was beginning to wonder if you even had a pair.


Spin doctor MY ASS. What do you do for a living? I am a senior systems admin for a Fortune500 company with 17 servers and 500+ users. My systems run on a mix of Alpha Servers(running VMS), Windows 2000, WindowsNT, and Novell. I know how to make hardware work, I have done this for 17+ years. I have certs in WinNT and 2k, VMS(only like 200 of us left), Novell and a BS in computer science. I think I know my way around a computer.

Yeah, it REALLY, REALLY shows :rolleyes: God, no wonder the IT field is so down in the dumps right now. I guess you're the real reason why we have so many consultants from India these days.


As to your comments about not being able to figure out a piece of hardware, that argument is complete and utter RUBBISH, as there is nothing TO installing a sound card. Remove old sound card/driver(if you're not starting the system fresh) and install sound card, then install drivers.

Oh really? Obviously, you had issues with it where as most don't (despite the mobs in the newsgroups). Ever heard of the word "troubleshoot" in your 17 years? Do us favor, come back in another 17 years. Not that I assume you'd learn anything, but rather maybe you'll be easier to talk to after you've been banned from a few more groups.

Proof? What exactly are you looking for? Are you one of these dingys still looking for that smoking gun on video tape? I have the files. I know when I got them. You obviously missed them in your 17 years of "expanding" your technical expertise.

Anyway, back to the main point. This was a simple post on a hot deal. It is not a platform for you to preach, grandstand, or bitch about something you know squat about. Not only is it inappropriate, but it also shows that you're an ass. Also, you WERE spreading disinformation amongst your many lines of banter. Sorry, but as good as the Santa Cruz is and how great the support WAS, it's just not there anymore. Get over it.

You gave your (very biased) opinion, I gave mine. And please, don't give me that worn out excuse that you were simply doing us all favor by enlightening us to the evils of this company that did you wrong. You were just being an ASS. It's unfortunate that you don't see this and clearly shows us why they booted you out of the newsgroups.

[Nija]

Gentlemen, please...

STFU

you've both made your points. You've both nit-picked each other time and again, all to no avail. You both have your opinions on the hardware in question, and have stated them, to death, in my opinion. So, I say, before this turns into childish name-calling and thus started the all-famous flame war, why don't cooler head prevail, on both sides, leave it at what's been said to this point, and leave the consumers to decide based on their research, which you both have shown.

So what say you guys, Truce?

[Brian48]

Cool.