Networking Question (WinXP Home)

[Monkeyshack]

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[GilbertsGrape]

Got IPX/SPX on all boxes. or NETBUI that is what you need

[eSDee]

Originally posted by GilbertsGrape
Got IPX/SPX on all boxes. or NETBUI that is what you need

What he said. Also set your IP addresses to Automatically detect and IP address, so that you don't accidentally set the subnet up wrong.

Since you say you are a noob, I am going to give you a couple of easy solutions. Sorry if these seem too simple or you have already done them.

1. Make sure they are in the same workgroup, with different names

2. When you click on My Network Places, click on View Network Computers. Do you see the other comp in there?

3. Try different ports in the router

4. Try pinging the other computer. Go to Start->Run and type "command". Then type in "ipconfig /all". Do this on both computers. If the IP addresses are different, try pinging the other computer by typing in "ping 172.0.0.0" or whatever the IP addy is. If the IP addresses are the same, assign them different IP's and then ping them.

Ok that last one wasn't a noob technique, but it might help. Let us know how it turns out.

[GilbertsGrape]

one morew thing you can always go to start>find>computers> type in the ip of the box you want to find and poof there it will be

[Monkeyshack]

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[coleslaw]

I always cringe whenever I see someone asking for help trying to network Windows XP Home. :P

It's not exactly the ideal OS for setting up a LAN, but it can work. Good luck.

[GilbertsGrape]

"also:Why do I need IPX?? I have never needed to use that unless I was playing certain games over the network. I have had much success with MS Networks and TCP-IP."

Just DO IT it is because MS is a POS... if you dont want to use ipx/spx.... then use Netbui it is on the windows cd

[eSDee]

Originally posted by DarkFury
Why not take advantage of one of the cheap router deals and get a firewall, internet sharing, and a LAN all in a convenient package? :shrug:

The hub really ain't gonna help you much... you need a router with a switching hub in it.

Truly the best solution. You will make the money back in a couple of months by not having to pay for a second IP address.

Sorry for calling you a n00b, I thought that I was replying to this thread (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=58659) where the person started out with the noob disclaimer.

[Monkeyshack]

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[GilbertsGrape]

have you tried adding the IPX/SPX

[Peachhead]

I agree with DF. I set up a network for my brother coming off his cable modem, using a Belkin router, an XP home pc, a Win2k pc and a Win98 pc. Worked like a charm. Especially when you can get a router for $20!!

[Joshua]

I don't get why you're all pushing for IPX/SPX. That is Netware's proprietary protocol that they used before enabling TCP/IP in the O/S.

It isn't the best protocol... I don't think it's even routable.

Netbui and Netbios are MS' original protocols that accomplish the same goal, but unless you enable Netbios over IP, they aren't routable either.

[Jeffbx]

Originally posted by SnotRocket
I don't get why you're all pushing for IPX/SPX. That is Netware's proprietary protocol that they used before enabling TCP/IP in the O/S.

It isn't the best protocol... I don't think it's even routable.

Netbui and Netbios are MS' original protocols that accomplish the same goal, but unless you enable Netbios over IP, they aren't routable either.

Very true, and if your end goal is to share the internet connection, they ain't gonna do squat. For file sharing between computers, netbeui is all you need. But you need TCP/IP running between the machines for an internet connection.

You said the firewall is off on both machines? I assume you dbl checked the IP setting to make sure you're in the same subnet?

Do you have the same user ID & password set up on both machines? Do you ever get to the point where it asks for a password to connect to a resource?

[Monkeyshack]

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[eSDee]

Originally posted by Monkeyshack


I agree the IPX idea is dumb, that is why I haven’t installed it.

I have checked and double checked all of this, and I am really glad that you aren’t trying to recommend that i buy a router or something else. I have used this hub before at my old house with DSL. It's just 2 computers with one user that only checks his email and the other that just browse the web so 10mb is plenty and over the hub is fine. But let’s just get these two comps to see each other first and foremost. I just don’t understand why this stupid laptop does not want to work. I will try setting up pass-worded accounts and see if that makes a difference but I don’t think it is necessary.

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Please don’t recommend that I buy anything, I wont. This setup has worked before and will work this time. Just help with what I have, if you don’t have any ideas don’t post, you will just confuse other people. Remember just help with what I have.

What an ingrate. You'll get no more help from me, buddy :rolleyes:

[GilbertsGrape]

"Monkeyshack
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Please don’t recommend that I buy anything, I wont. This setup has worked before and will work this time. Just help with what I have, if you don’t have any ideas don’t post, you will just confuse other people. Remember just help with what I have."

"I’m not concerned really with the internet connection, I just want to get those two comps to see each other first, and then I’ll try to get that DSL in there."

Awahhhh I remember you; you’r the Grumpy ass guy with the wins problem...... nuf said after this last post concerning a solution to your issues your grouchy ass will NEVER receive any more advice from me again unless it is to tell you to put something where the sun don't shine....

If you cant take free advice and suggestions then I suggest that you seek professional help and PAY for their advice to tell you the same thing you have received here @ GOTAPEX for free.

Like DF and I said IPX/SPX will allow those pc's to see each other on the network and if you want to dig out the windows cd NETBUI will work as well. I have had this problem B4 and I know this solution worked on my network. IPX\SPX or NETBUI along with TCP/IP and Internet connection sharing will solve this problem with the equipment you have.

Otherwise you need to seek help for your grouchy ass attitude and chill out…..

I bet you are an accountant damn anal retentive ppl

[Monkeyshack]

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[eSDee]

Originally posted by Monkeyshack
What the hell, I'm not saying this is bad advice, I wanted help on the set-up I had and mostly everyone kept telling me to buy something not what might be wrong. man o man, It's like i am talking to dell tech support or something, I have to talk to 5 different support guys before the problem gets solved. I figured maybe someone on here has had the same problem as me and that maybe they could help me trouble shoot this.

I have had the same problem and so has Gilbert, which both of us remedied by installing IPX/SPX. Gilbert recommeded it, at which time you said it was a dumb idea. You sound like some of the people that I support at work. They ask you how to fix something, you tell them how, and they don't want to listen. They have some misconceived idea on how it should work which you know won't work because it is physically and logically impossible, but yet they insist. The only difference is, I get paid to support those people :dodgy:

You act like we are a bunch of salesmen trying to get you to buy renters insurance or something. This is free advice man don't forget that. If you don't like the advice you are given, atleast be polite about it. The suggestion I and others gave you about purchasing a router was an experienced suggestion that would make your network so much better and computers secure from hackers. It is pretty safe to say that if you have any kind of dedicated connection, your IP will be sniffed and ports probed. That is the only reason people have suggested it. To help you out, not sell you something :shrug:

[GilbertsGrape]

Originally posted by DarkFury
Thank you Mr. eSDee... you are a gentleman and a scholar. :thumbup:


:stupid: I agree Mr. eSDee... :thumbup:

and i know just the ppl you are talking a bout i work with similar ppl

[shoeish]

installing ipx or netbeui on a windows box is just a cheap workaround to get windows boxes to see each other. they are useless protocols, and all you are really doing is setting other settings (registry/settings you never see in microsoft networking) back to factory *correct* settings. that's why your network works when you install those two things.

monkeyshack's problem lies in his modem. on his old setup he had a good cisco modem that would assign ip's to every computer on the network and allow them all to work. the arescom modem doesn't support sharing, it only supports one computer, thus assigning the same ip address to all computers hooked to the network and messing everything up.

so... you need to do one of these two things:
1. hook the modem up to one computer and set up internet connection sharing on that box, and plug it into the hub/switch.

2. buy a $20 router and let it do the internet connection sharing for you.

hope that works.