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nickel

05-09-2003, 11:12 AM

it seems they picked a blue/green eyed blonde to be on their SARS cover and they are being critiqued for this since the disease has mostly occurred in China. the editor explains the reason for this is he thought putting a Chinese person on the cover would discriminate against them and label the disease as only occurring there.

WHAT? so if an earthquake occurs in India Time Magazine should show a bunch of Canadians around the fault line on the cover? the reason being just to protect the Indian people from the stigma of having earthquakes occur there frequently?

gimme a break :rolleyes:

http://www.lemonizer.com/uploads/timemag.jpg

topane

05-09-2003, 11:13 AM

It's probably some manager's daughter looking to get into modeling.

Butch

05-09-2003, 11:40 AM

I don't see anything wrong with it. Just because SARS is predominantly in China does not mean Time needs to make an Asian the face of the disease. SARS does not afflict Asians only.

nickel

05-09-2003, 11:44 AM

i think that we all know SARS does not afflict only Asians.
doesn't my earthquake analogy make sense to you?

zenbooty

05-09-2003, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by nickelback
the editor explains the reason for this is he thought putting a Chinese person on the cover would discriminate against them and label the disease as only occurring there.

WHAT? so if an earthquake occurs in India Time Magazine should show a bunch of Canadians around the fault line on the cover? the reason being just to protect the Indian people from the stigma of having earthquakes occur there frequently?

gimme a break :rolleyes:
The problem is that there is a lot of hysteria going around in the media about this problem, and its affecting Chinese communities outside the regions where this disease is hitting. Here in NYC, there's talk about business in Chinatown being down like 30% since SARS hit the news. The media has been taking a lot of flak for sensationalizing a story that so far has affected only a relatively small number of people, mostly far away. So Time probably doesn't want to feed the fire anymore, and went with whitey on the cover. Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is. Its not like NO white people have been infected, or affected.

nickel

05-09-2003, 11:56 AM

not a big deal -- just an observation.
i am not that far from Toronto. they are losing big amounts of tourist bucks thanks to the SARS cases there.

the media has been taking a lot of flak for sensationalizing a story that so far has affected only a relatively small number of people, mostly far away.

who is giving the media flak for sensationalizing just this? i am under the impression that the media sensationalizes everything.

cheapie

05-09-2003, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by nickelback
i think that we all know SARS does not afflict only Asians.
doesn't my earthquake analogy make sense to you?

hmmm.....prob not because a earthquake would strike a specific location and you would use the people on the cover from that specific place.

nickel

05-09-2003, 01:13 PM

well that is just it. SARS has hit China the most specifically.

cheapie

05-09-2003, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by nickelback
well that is just it. SARS has hit China the most specifically.

i guess. i really don't care on way or the other so i will abdicate my position and run to your side....

speedracer120

05-09-2003, 01:46 PM

Well, some people have been saying that this over exuberant coverage has gotten to the point where people look at Asian on the street and treat them as if they have the plague. And to be honest, I'm sick right now and people honestly look at me twice trying to figure out if I look like some fob with SARS. My cousin was sick at school and he gets asked if he has SARS. So I think Time is right in not pointing at Asians only, but truth be told, the people most hard hit are Chinese like nickelback said, so there is something about misrepresenting the story also. :shrug:

mcs328

05-09-2003, 01:46 PM

I don't care either way. I see how someone can erroneously say it's an asian disease or something if they did put an asian person behind the mask. Hopefully we're all intelligent enough to know that's not the case.

Nothing is being misrepresented right?

rtse313

05-09-2003, 02:23 PM

they should have just used a black background maybe with a triangle shape and with the words SARS on it.... plain and simple !!

bachviet

05-09-2003, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by rtse313
they should have just used a black background maybe with a triangle shape and with the words SARS on it.... plain and simple !!
:stupid:
No human picture should be the best way to do this.

mcs328

05-09-2003, 05:04 PM

SARS is getting pretty bad. Ppl are using bra cups b/c of the shortage of masks.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=2705476

Out of Masks and Scared of SARS? Try a Bra
Thu May 8, 2003 09:19 AM ET
TAIPEI (Reuters) - Villagers in southern Taiwan are strapping bras to their faces to guard against the deadly SARS virus due to a shortage of surgical masks.
'I went to every pharmacy in the village and it's impossible to find a proper mask,' a middle-aged man told cable television on Thursday, his face partially covered by a dark red cup.

'Somebody came up with this idea so I decided to give it a try,' he said at a village near the southern city of Tainan.

A small bra factory is producing the make-shift masks, with workers cutting each of its colorful bras into two and sewing on extra straps to help the desperate villagers.

Face masks have disappeared from many store shelves as Taiwan's Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) infections tripled in the past two weeks to 360 cases, the third highest in the world after China and Hong Kong.

Joshua

05-09-2003, 05:40 PM

Who cares... I say they did it cuz this chick is hot (at least from what I can tell... she might have bubba backwoods redneck teeth or something).

Originally posted by nickelback
it seems they picked a blue/green eyed blonde to be on their SARS cover and they are being critiqued for this since the disease has mostly occurred in China. the editor explains the reason for this is he thought putting a Chinese person on the cover would discriminate against them and label the disease as only occurring there.

WHAT? so if an earthquake occurs in India Time Magazine should show a bunch of Canadians around the fault line on the cover? the reason being just to protect the Indian people from the stigma of having earthquakes occur there frequently?

gimme a break :rolleyes:

http://www.lemonizer.com/uploads/timemag.jpg

eSDee

05-09-2003, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Butch
I don't see anything wrong with it. Just because SARS is predominantly in China does not mean Time needs to make an Asian the face of the disease. SARS does not afflict Asians only.

:stupid: Something about a mole hill? :rolleyes:

*edit I don't think they are misrepresenting the truth either. If the disease can affect anyone then there's no reason why they couldn't use anybody's face on the cover. Plus, if they had an Asian person on the cover then people might think that it can only affect Asians, which would truly misrepresent the truth.

InfiniteNothing

05-09-2003, 08:42 PM

Oh who cares!?!!?!? If it's a white person, fine, if it's an asian person fine. But you better make it someone who is hot because I like looking at hot people.

sbp

05-09-2003, 11:18 PM

If there's not an Asian on the cover its misrepresenting the truth. But if there is an Asian on the cover its also misrepresenting the truth. o_O

Does SARS affect non-Asians? Yes.
Does SARS affect Asians? Yes.

Its ok to put a white person on the cover since SARS affects whites, but its not ok to put an Asian on the cover since SARS affects Asians. :confused:

The issue with this move is not that an Asian was not put on the cover, but the reason why it was done. The editor chose not to put an Asian on the cover cause people might get the wrong idea. http://home.earthlink.net/~sbp777/pics/bleh.gif Gives rise to what else this would be done with.

Having an Asian person on either the Time, Newsweek or U.S. News & World Report SARS cover or even all 3, would be have been just fine. If people get their panties in a bunch about it, oh well.

ArkiStan

05-10-2003, 08:03 AM

She looks Chinese to me. Hell, to me, all them humans look alike.

hang10wannabe

05-10-2003, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by nickelback
i think that we all know SARS does not afflict only Asians.
doesn't my earthquake analogy make sense to you?

i dont know about that nickel... think of how many people are staying away from China Town "just because" SARs has inflicted so much damage in China. there are ignorant scared people everywhere that think only asians are being infected so every asian must be suseptable.

sbp

05-10-2003, 10:28 AM

So there ignorant people out there. Do you really want things to be changed due to them? http://home.earthlink.net/~sbp777/pics/bleh.gif

nickel

05-10-2003, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by hang10wannabe

i dont know about that nickel... think of how many people are staying away from China Town "just because" SARs has inflicted so much damage in China. there are ignorant scared people everywhere that think only asians are being infected so every asian must be suseptable.

find me a person who thinks SARS (aka a variation of the common cold) can only infect Asians :rolleyes:

ShawnLee

05-10-2003, 04:26 PM

I don't care about whose face they used, but the fact that they made the conscious decision to avoid an Asian person so that they could be PC is retarded. As if Asian people were automatically going to be offended by the truth?

I can imagine somebody getting angry and protesting that Time is showing only white people and that they're trying to deny Asian people an opportunity for publicity.

RoniMan

05-10-2003, 05:05 PM

i bet it's those green eyes, that's how big trouble always start in little china.

hang10wannabe

05-10-2003, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by nickelback

find me a person who thinks SARS (aka a variation of the common cold) can only infect Asians :rolleyes:

so ur telling me that you are willing to take up a side of an argument that argues "there is no one in this country of 250 million that there isnt a person that believes that SARs only affects asians?" :hmm:

eSDee

05-10-2003, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by ShawnLee105
I don't care about whose face they used, but the fact that they made the conscious decision to avoid an Asian person so that they could be PC is retarded. As if Asian people were automatically going to be offended by the truth?

I can imagine somebody getting angry and protesting that Time is showing only white people and that they're trying to deny Asian people an opportunity for publicity.

How about they avoided using an Asian person so that they could report the truth; that SARS is not limited to only Asian people? They are a NEWS publication after all :shrug:

ShawnLee

05-10-2003, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by eSDeeLoco

How about they avoided using an Asian person so that they could report the truth; that SARS is not limited to only Asian people? They are a NEWS publication after all :shrug:

That's what I figured originally but I read an article where the editors said that it was a decision that they had made in order to not put Asian people in a bad light.

That's like reporting on a famine in Africa, but showing a hungry white American kid, so they won't show black people as if they're in a bad light. I guess that's like Nickel's analogy, but yeah. I don't really care about the cover in particular, but the extent that people go to in order to be politically correct is stupid.

RoniMan

05-11-2003, 12:52 AM

:stupid:

being pc is stupid!

oh wait! i didn't mean to offend anyone with that stupid remark, i meant to say intelligence challenged.

sbp

05-11-2003, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by eSDeeLoco
How about they avoided using an Asian person so that they could report the truth; that SARS is not limited to only Asian people? They are a NEWS publication after all :shrug: Using an Asian person on the cover{s} wouldn't have stopped the reporting of the truth.

Worst of all, a wonderful opportunity for more diversity on magazine covers was missed.

Momma Kitty

05-11-2003, 01:03 AM

Wow, I bet if Time would have known they were going to get knocked either way, they probably wouldn't have used a person at all. I think just a mask laying somewhere would have been just as affective.

nickel

05-11-2003, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by hang10wannabe

so ur telling me that you are willing to take up a side of an argument that argues "there is no one in this country of 250 million that there isnt a person that believes that SARs only affects asians?" :hmm:

yeh, i would argue that point, but i would have to add that the person has to be at least of average intelligence.

thatonefilipinoguy

05-11-2003, 12:25 PM

I think Time used the "model" to make the magazine more attractive. They may or may not have intentionally used the model to play into the SARS-Asian stereotype. I don't really care just as long the whole stereotype doesn't get out of hand.

Butch

05-11-2003, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by nickelback

yeh, i would argue that point, but i would have to add that the person has to be at least of average intelligence.

That's great . . . except that 50% of the population is below "average" intelligence . . . and unfortunately, "average" intelligence in this country is not exactly something to be proud of to begin with.

nickel

05-11-2003, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Butch

That's great . . . except that 50% of the population is below "average" intelligence . . . and unfortunately, "average" intelligence in this country is not exactly something to be proud of to begin with.

do you have any official published reports to back that?

Butch

05-11-2003, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by nickelback

do you have any official published reports to back that?

Don't have to . . . average is the middle . . . that means half have to be below average and half have to be above average ;)

hapoo

05-11-2003, 02:54 PM

Put a Green eyed blond on the cover and 250 million people bitch
Put an asian on the cover and 1+ billion people bitch
you do the math.

Personally i think they did the right thing. You give a face to sars and you'll unconsciencely discriminate. Plus hot girl on cover = more sales ;)

Peachhead

05-11-2003, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by nickelback
who is giving the media flak for sensationalizing just this? i am under the impression that the media sensationalizes everything.

they do. Stupid liberal media. :angry:

InfiniteNothing

05-11-2003, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Butch

Don't have to . . . average is the middle . . . that means half have to be below average and half have to be above average ;)

Half of people are below the median, not the mean. ;)
And I'd like to take this moment to say no one should be offended under either scenario. Damn PCness. I wouldn't care even if they had a picture of me on the cover.

Butch

05-11-2003, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by InfiniteNothing

Half of people are below the median, not the mean. ;)
And I'd like to take this moment to say no one should be offended under either scenario. Damn PCness. I wouldn't care even if they had a picture of me on the cover.

Nobody specified whether it was median or mean . . . or mode for that matter :-P . . . I chose to base my comment on median. Even if it were based on mean, I'd assume a nice little Bell Curve . . . and still assume about half of people were below average and half were above.

nickel

05-11-2003, 10:37 PM

you are assuming that half the people in the US are below average intelligence, meaning unintelligent. i beg to differ with your mathematical calculation.

sbp

05-11-2003, 10:48 PM

Well there has got to be some way to explain all these liberals. :bigmouth:

Butch

05-12-2003, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by sbp
Well there has got to be some way to explain all these liberals. :bigmouth:

no no . . . you're confused again, SBP. The fact that about half the country is somewhat liberal just means that about half the country has a heart ;)

Burzhui

05-12-2003, 07:25 AM

i'll allow it

bachviet

05-12-2003, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Butch

no no . . . you're confused again, SBP. The fact that about half the country is somewhat liberal just means that about half the country has a heart ;)
I must be a ghost then because I'm conservative and without a heart. :P

InfiniteNothing

05-12-2003, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by nickelback
you are assuming that half the people in the US are below average intelligence, meaning unintelligent. i beg to differ with your mathematical calculation.
I don't know why I care but I think one of you is missing the other's point. Let me see if I can help. Nickleback, even if the US population was really smart, half of us would still be below the median intelligence. Butch, you specified average meaning mean. But you're right if you assume a bell curve.

Butch

05-12-2003, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by InfiniteNothing

I don't know why I care but I think one of you is missing the other's point. Let me see if I can help. Nickleback, even if the US population was really smart, half of us would still be below the median intelligence. Butch, you specified average meaning mean. But you're right if you assume a bell curve.

Now I wasn't exactly a math major . . . but I've had my bit with statistical analysis . . . anyway, to continue nit-picking a bit, my understanding is that "average" is actually an ambiguous term that generally refers to mean (the arithmetic average), but can also refer to median or mode.

Anywho, yes, the disconnect here is that when one says "below average," it is perceived as uniformly bad . . . even though average is always relative and COULD be very high. In this case, however, I am quite cynical and do believe that the average intelligence of Americans is not exactly something to be proud of.

cheapie

05-12-2003, 09:12 AM

Joshua

05-12-2003, 01:28 PM

hA ha! Yeah, where's the dudes with the rice farmer hats that ride lightening bolts?!?!

Originally posted by RoniMan
i bet it's those green eyes, that's how big trouble always start in little china.

mcs328

05-12-2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by SnotRocket
hA ha! Yeah, where's the dudes with the rice farmer hats that ride lightening bolts?!?!

I think he has a study gig as Raiden in the Mortal Kombat sagas :P

Isn't the mean and average the same thing? It's the median which is different. If you take 100 ppl and they score 50 each then the mean and median are the same. If 98 ppl score 50, 1 person scores 75 and the other one score 100, then the median is 75 although the mean is 50.75 which translates to 98% are below the average and the median.

zenbooty

05-12-2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Momma Kitty
Wow, I bet if Time would have known they were going to get knocked either way, they probably wouldn't have used a person at all. I think just a mask laying somewhere would have been just as affective. Or even better, a mask placed over a SKULL! That would have been the coolest!

InfiniteNothing

05-12-2003, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by mcs328

Isn't the mean and average the same thing? It's the median which is different. If you take 100 ppl and they score 50 each then the mean and median are the same. If 98 ppl score 50, 1 person scores 75 and the other one score 100, then the median is 75 although the mean is 50.75 which translates to 98% are below the average and the median.

He's already responded to this criticism. Whose right..I know not.

ShawnLee

05-12-2003, 11:05 PM

Ah... Statistics all over again. Mean and average are the same, and do not mean or refer to either mode or median. Beyond that, don't ask me. I stopped remembering that stuff after I finished my research, methodologies, and statistical analysis class.