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attgig
05-21-2003, 09:04 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/21/florida.smokers.ap/index.html


Florida appeals court throws out $145 billion tobacco verdict

MIAMI, Florida (AP) -- A Florida appellate court on Wednesday threw out a record-setting $145 billion verdict for thousands of Florida smokers against the tobacco industry, saying the case should not have been tried as a class-action lawsuit.

The 67-page order by the 3rd District Court of Appeals said smokers could not group themselves together in a single lawsuit against the nation's five biggest cigarette makers.

By eliminating class-action status, the appeals court discarded the award a Miami-Dade County jury had given sick Florida smokers in 2000.

That jury had decided after a two-year trial that cigarettes are deadly, addictive and defective because they make people sick when used as directed. It set punitive damages for an estimated 300,000 to 700,000 smokers after deciding compensatory damages for three people with cancer who served as representatives of the group.

Attorneys Stanley and Susan Rosenblatt, who represented the smokers, were out of town Wednesday and could not be reached for comment.

In October, a Los Angeles jury ruled that Philip Morris USA should pay $28 billion to a 45-year smoker with lung cancer. A judge later slashed the award to $28 million, saying it was "a reasonable sum."

The previous record for a verdict won by an individual against a tobacco company was $3 billion, awarded in June 2001 to smoker Richard Boeken. A California judge later reduced that verdict to $100 million.

The major tobacco companies settled state lawsuits for smoking-related health care costs in 1998 for a total of $246 billion.

Over time, public policy has been moving against Big Tobacco.

The World Health Organization is now pushing governments to adopt sweeping anti-smoking restrictions. Florida joined four other states that have banned smoking in most indoor workplaces and restaurants. Arizona voters slapped smokers with a 60-cent-a-pack tax increase, while Missouri narrowly defeated a quadrupling of the cigarette tax.



personally, it's ridiculous that people are winning these lawsuits against the tobacco industry. Yes they did some shady things to attract underage smoking, and lying about addictions and whatnot. But, honestly, are people really not smoking anymore because they know this stuff? no.
What the people doing these lawsuits are saying is that they would never have smoked if they knew it was addictive. imo, that's bs.

yes, penalize the tobacco industry by forcing them to give money to help out communities and rebuild cities, and build boys and girls clubs, etc etc etc...but don't award individual smokers with billions of dollars.

brainsmile
05-21-2003, 09:06 AM
there is enough information available now that those who start have no basis for suing... I mean we all do know it's addictive and harmful right? Does anyone disagree?

thatonefilipinoguy
05-21-2003, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by brainsmile
there is enough information available now that those who start have no basis for suing... I mean we all do know it's addictive and harmful right? Does anyone disagree?

I agree. I think with all the stuff thats out there people need to start taking responsibility for their actions.

WhiskeyPapa
05-21-2003, 09:21 AM
The problem is that these people doing the suing actually would prefer that producing cigarettes be made illegal. After all, when used as intended, cigarettes usually lead to premature death.

But, everyone knows that cigarettes will never be illegal, since the gubmint makes too much money from taxes.

So their only choice is to pursue change through the legal system. As long as there are activist lawyers and activist judges, these cases will continue.

RoniMan
05-21-2003, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by thatonefilipinoguy


I agree. I think with all the stuff thats out there people need to start taking responsibility for their actions.

:stupid:

Speedfreak
05-21-2003, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by attgig
yes, penalize the tobacco industry by forcing them to give money to help out communities and rebuild cities, and build boys and girls clubs, etc etc etc...but don't award individual smokers with billions of dollars.

I agree. I love to see cigarette companies lose in court and pay money, but I hate to see it going to the smokers for doing something stupid, especially now adays.

whitak24
05-21-2003, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by kb0wwp
So their only choice is to pursue change through the legal system. As long as there are activist lawyers and activist judges, these cases will continue.
i think blaming "activist" lawyers and "activist" judges is somewhat inaccurate here.

first of all, most of these trials are decided and awards determined by juries. blaming the judges is faulty, as it's not their decision. in fact, many of the jury awards are being drastically reduced by judges, as the article notes.

second, a majority of the attorneys representing plaintiffs in these cases aren't necessarily anti-tobacco advocates, just as most attorneys who pursue medical malpractice cases aren't medical safety advocates. they're using an existing situation to pursue court action which they think will net wins for their clients (and money for them).

finally, that these cases are being decided against the tobacco companies isn't necessarily "activism" (a term which, in my opinion, is greatly misused and is a traditional bogeyman used to assail any decision that certain people disagree with). there's simply a disagreement over how high a standard of product safety companies should be held to. it's the same as lawsuits over placement of gas tanks in chevy malibus and the rollover risks of ford broncos.

obviously, many companies believe that they should be held to a lesser standard, while many consumer advocates/anti-smoking crusaders believe that the standard should be higher. just because it's interpreted in one way or another doesn't mean that the laws are being actively changed.

Joshua
05-21-2003, 11:56 AM
<$.02> I'm a smoker... I know it's bad for me... I choose to smoke anyway... It's NOT the tobacco companies fault... PERIOD. </$.02>

molecularfire
05-21-2003, 01:50 PM
Hey, does anybody know if I can sue my parents? They wouldn't let me smoke as a kid, which is now hindering my ability to sue big tobacco for billions of dollars. I think I've been wronged out of billions of dollars. :rolleyes:

bachviet
05-21-2003, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by molecularfire
Hey, does anybody know if I can sue my parents? They wouldn't let me smoke as a kid, which is now hindering my ability to sue big tobacco for billions of dollars. I think I've been wronged out of billions of dollars. :rolleyes:
That's a good one.
Anyway these lawsuits along with lawsuits against fastfood restaurants and OREO cookies are ridiculous. We all know smoking is not good for anybody but pple still do it and then sue! :(