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sbp
06-03-2003, 04:33 AM
ALBANY, N.Y. (http://www.newhavenregister.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1281&dept_id=31007&newsid=8198726&PAG=461&rfi=9) — U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman, on his way to an Albany fund-raiser for his presidential campaign, said Monday he is "the only Democrat who can beat George Bush" in the 2004 election.

"The American people are not going to elect a candidate for president in 2004 who doesn’t have a proven record in supporting a strong defense and in knowing how to keep America secure at home," the party’s 2000 vice presidential candidate said in a radio interview.

The Connecticut Democrat’s comments came in the wake of criticism in Lake Placid on Saturday from one of his rivals for the nomination, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, about the "voicelessness of 2002" during the mid-term congressional elections.

"Never again can the Democratic Party fail to stand up and turn away from its accomplishments of the last 50 years ... We don’t need a Democratic Party that says to the Republicans, ‘Yes, but a little bit slower,’ or, ‘Yes, but a little bit less.’ The one thing this country doesn’t need is a second Republican Party," Kerry had told New York Democrats at a forum on rural issues.

Lieberman is generally viewed as the most conservative of the Democrats seeking the nomination and Kerry’s complaints appeared directed at the Connecticut senator.

A Kerry campaign spokesman said Monday that Kerry’s comments were not directed at Lieberman.

"The line is obviously intended to encourage Democrats to action," said Robert Gibbs. "It’s certainly not a critique of any individuals and certainly not a critique of Joe Lieberman, a friend and colleague."

Lieberman said if the criticism was directed at him, it was "really ridiculous."

"Democrats like me are the kinds of Democrats who can get elected ... I am a center-out Democrat in the tradition of Bill Clinton," Lieberman told Albany WROW-AM radio.

"I’m the one Democrat who can stand toe-to-toe with George Bush where he’s supposed to be strong, on defense and values, and beat him where we know he’s weak, on the failed economic policies and the terrible right-wing social agenda," Lieberman said.

There was no immediate comment Monday from the Kerry campaign.

Lieberman was visiting Albany to attend a $1,000-a-person fund-raising reception being hosted by one of his key New York supporters, state Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver. Lieberman also planned meetings with other top Democrats in the Legislature and state Comptroller Alan Hevesi.

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Don't you feel the love? :winkie:

Lieberman does bring up valid points-a liberal nominee who is weak on vital issues, will lose.

Lieberman won't be the nominee. The guy is kind of boring. Most of all the primaries are full of liberal activists that have disproportionate influence.

Kerry is correct in saying the Dems shouldn't be a second Republican Party {they tried that last election and look what happened}. Problem is the Dems don't stand for anything good. Hey, how about something of substance for once? And looking backwards to run on 50 years of fail er "accomplishments" isn't such a swell idea either.

Oh well, the sooner the Democrats choose their candidate to lose, the better. :kawaii:

topane
06-03-2003, 05:15 AM
Originally posted by sbp
Kerry is correct in saying the Dems shouldn't be a second Republican Party {they tried that last election and look what happened}. Problem is the Dems don't stand for anything good. I didn't even realize we had two different parties anymore ;). The Dems only chance in 2004 will be a moderate with some charisma, sorta like Clinton in 1992. Lieberman is moderate but has about as much charisma as a cardboard box. I can also see people not voting for him because he's a Jew (not that it's right, but it will happen). I don't think he'll get the party's nomination. The only way the Dems can win this one is to harp on the economy if it doesn't improve ("It's still the economy, stupid"). I'll probably vote Libertarian again, anyway.

brainsmile
06-03-2003, 07:53 AM
maybe they're gonna try to pull out some sort of scandal. Distract the voters... shock and awe approach

zenbooty
06-03-2003, 08:12 AM
I'm confident that come 2004, the economy will still be in turmoil, the truth regarding White House lies about the war and need for it will be out, and Bush's opposition will be mobilized and active. Bush's approval rating will continue to fall slowly but steadily between now and then, unless they invent some new con to pull over the American people. Bush will suffer defeat and be a one hit wonder just like the old man.

faither
06-03-2003, 08:21 AM
Wishful thinking. All we need now is a candidate. I don't think the Democratic nominee will come from the pool of those already announced...hopefully not, anyway.

[fingers crossed] Bob Kerry [/fingers crossed]

Check out this very scary page...LINKY (http://democraticbuttons.freeservers.com/index.html)

Joshua
06-03-2003, 08:30 AM
I doubt if the dems have what it takes to defeat Bush in '04. Lieberman is also not doing himself any favors by comparing himself to Clinton if he hopes to get any of the republican swing votes.

kimchicowboy
06-03-2003, 09:22 AM
i met him at a press conference in santa monica last week on thursday. i like him even less after meeting him. i did get a photo with him though (that's why i went). just waiting for my friend to e-mail it to me.

xsiled2
06-03-2003, 10:06 AM
hes lamer then al gore.

sbp
06-03-2003, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by zenbooty
I'm confident that come 2004, the economy will still be in turmoil, the truth regarding White House lies about the war and need for it will be out, and Bush's opposition will be mobilized and active. Bush's approval rating will continue to fall slowly but steadily between now and then, unless they invent some new con to pull over the American people. Bush will suffer defeat and be a one hit wonder just like the old man. In contrast to the '92 election, conservatives are united behind GWB. They are mobilized and active, so all GWB has to do is appeal to the mushy middle.

The democrats will have a divisive primary and its going to be either Gephardt or Kerry. After running to the left to win in the primaries, one of these 2 liberals must then appeal to the mushy middle in the general election.

For Bush's opposition to wish for a scandal to win on, well that really shows the state of things doesn't it?
Perhaps they will get learn from yet another defeat and get their act together and offer up real opposition. Looking at the history of the Dems over the past few decades, don't hold the breath.

As for Iraq...most people supported it and are happy with the results. The people who didn't, wouldn't support GWB anyways and would vote against him.

As for the economy...I think it will be tepid also. Remember this, GWB will point towards the stimulus actions he has pushed through, with the result people will give him credit for trying to "fix" the economy. Compare that with the lack of vision and action for his old man on this issue.


Now onto DNC headquarters where there is something happening, but it sure isn't unity. :heh:

The chairman of the Hispanic caucus of the Democratic National Committee decries Hispanic 'disconnect' (http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030603-122046-5159r.htm)

Also Hispanics are not thrilled at the deplorable way Miguel Estrada has been treated by Ted Kennedy and company.

And lookie here...the DNC laid off staffers who were all black, then tried to say it was a mistake. http://home.earthlink.net/~sbp777/smilies/confused.gif

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/5968928.htm
"I'm just outraged," said Donna Brazile, who served as Al Gore's campaign manager in the last presidential election and is also the chairwoman of the DNC's Voting Rights Institute. "They started reading me the names and I said 'Oh, oh - they're all black.' I went through the roof."

http://www.lemonizer.com/uploads/TerryMcAuliffe.jpg
Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe has some 'plaining to do!

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030530-124849-1736r.htm
"If the Republicans were to do this, you know what would happen," said Donna Brazile, who chairs the DNC's Voting Rights Institute. "You know I would be kicking them where they need to be kicked."

Indeed we do know-it would be assumed its racism, but since this is the Democrats...

"This is still the party that I belong to," Miss Brazile said. "I was afraid it had taken a wrong turn."

It did long ago Miss Brazile. :2far:

brainsmile
06-03-2003, 09:30 PM
well anyone would be better than these guys I can guarantee

http://www.debates.org/media/debhis92b.jpg

Al Gore
Dan Quayle
James Stockdale

InfiniteNothing
06-03-2003, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by xsiled2
hes lamer then al gore.

So nice to know that Americans like to elect people based on how "lame" they are.

Dave_7
06-03-2003, 11:16 PM
Lieberman probably has the best chance to win the votes of the so-called Reagan Democrats... which will be needed to defeat Bush.

He has the best chance... but still not a good enough chance. The Democrats seem to be all over the place these days.

:argue:





Dave.

Mike_N_Ike
06-03-2003, 11:45 PM
Couple fun facts - the online casino that I use has offered the following odds for the 2004 election:

Won by a republican - -200 (You wager 200 to win 100)
Won by a decmocrat - +140 (You wager 100 to win 140)
Won by any other - +7500 (You wager 100 to win 7500)

xsiled2
06-04-2003, 06:42 AM
Originally posted by InfiniteNothing


So nice to know that Americans like to elect people based on how "lame" they are.

this there a point in there somewhere:hmm: :confused:

brainsmile
06-04-2003, 07:51 AM
may the least lame win!

xsiled2
06-04-2003, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by brainsmile
may the least lame win!

ding ding ding we have a winner.