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brainsmile
06-22-2003, 07:43 AM
So here are five trades that make some sense (at least to the author):

1. Chicago's No. 7 overall pick and Dalibor Bagaric to Sacramento for Hedo Turkoglu and a future protected No. 1 pick. The Kings need to begin preparing for the end of Vlade Divac. They need a young big man they can nurture, like Chris Kaman or Maciej Lampe. They were hurt when Pavel Podkolzine pulled out of the draft since they could have given him three years to develop with all of their depth. The Bulls need a small forward who's ready to play, and while Turkoglu is not their idea of a defender, they don't want any more rookies. The Kings are so far into the luxury tax they cannot afford to give Turkoglu an extension and need to deal him. Also, Jim Jackson beat him out of a rotation spot last season, which is not good news to the Bulls or anyone seeking Turkoglu.

2. Terrell Brandon, Anthony Peeler and Minnesota's No. 1 pick to Portland for Rasheed Wallace. Hey, the Timberwolves haven't had a No. 1 pick in so long they wouldn't know what to do with it, anyway. One small contract might need to be added to equalize the deal. Priority No. 1 in Portland is saving some money and cleaning up the team's image. Priority No. 1 in Minnesota is keeping Kevin Garnett, which means getting out of the first round of the playoffs. Wallace is difficult (OK, more than that), but the Wolves are desperate. Wallace also is a great talent who doesn't want to be the No. 1 guy. Teamed with Garnett, they could be a fearsome front line. Portland gets oodles of savings in the luxury tax with Brandon's $11.15 million salary coming off the books in January, thus saving Portland virtually double that with luxury tax. The Blazers also are ready to hand the power forward job to Zach Randolph, so it's time to send Wallace on his way. And only the desperate will put up with him.

3. Eddie Jones and Miami's fifth overall pick to Memphis for Stromile Swift and Wesley Person. Pat Riley doesn't want any more rookies! The Heat get Swift (a young, athletic forward) and a veteran shooter in Person, who also has just one year left on his deal. It gives the Heat a chance to dip deep into free agency after next season (when Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Elton Brand hit the market) with Jones off the books. The Grizzlies are desperate to make some noise. General manager Jerry West always has liked Jones, whom he had in Los Angeles. Plus West, who has been a master of pulling talent out of an empty draft hat over the years, gets the No. 5 pick. He has liked Frenchman Mickael Pietrus, who has been described as having Michael Jordan-like athletic ability and is considered an NBA class defender now. Paired with Jones, Mike Miller and Gasol, the Grizzlies could make some noise in the West.

4. Allan Houston for Eddie Griffin, Cuttino Mobley and Glen Rice. The Rockets get Houston, who is the shooter and the veteran to complement Steve Francis and open the floor for Yao Ming. It gives them three potential All-Stars to make a run in the West and Houston will be a locker room presence for new coach Jeff Van Gundy. Houston in Houston. Is that perfect, or what? The Knicks need an infusion of young talent and get Griffin, Mobley and Rice. Rice is going into the final year of his contract, so the Knicks save millions in the luxury tax after next season. Mobley and the 6-foot-10 Griffin are two youngsters who they can begin building with along with the No. 9 overall pick in this draft, which they could now use for a young point guard to go with shooting guard Mobley.

5. Antonio Davis, Morris Peterson and Toronto's fourth overall pick to Dallas for Steve Nash and Raef LaFrentz. The Mavericks get Davis, the tough guy and post presence they need. He's a little small for the Western Conference, but he's rugged and can battle the bigger forwards in the West. The Mavs also get the Raptors' No. 4 overall pick to get a project big guy they can wait for, like Chris Kaman. The key in the deal is Steve Nash, the British Columbia native, returning to Canada. Nick Van Exel was on the court at the end of all the Mavs' big playoff games, and Nash comes up for a new deal after the 2004-05 season. Better to trade Nash a year soon. The Raptors also get Raef LaFrentz, who'll fit better in the East away from the Mavs' frenetic game. Toronto would be so thrilled to get Nash, a potential franchise savior, it would probably throw in whomever the Mavs wanted, perhaps Peterson or to expand the deal if the Mavs want Alvin Williams and would send back someone like Evan Eschmeyer.

gear02
06-22-2003, 08:38 AM
Nice post...I'm gonna deal with #4 in more detail but here are my thoughts on all of them

1) Good deal for Sac. Turko is a budding star, but Sac and do more with this year's #7 and Bagaric, a 1st round bust that could come around in Sac with its international cast. The bulls just need to get a player that's not cursed.

2) I would NEVER trade for Rasheed Wallce. EVER. I would never risk upsetting the balance of the team by adding such a volitile, technical foul-grabbing player such as Rasheed.

3) Sounds good...no real comments or complaints here

5) Nash is a player of Kidd's calibur. Van Exel is old and frankly cannot be depended on running this team's offense, which relies of passing and movement. Van Exel proved in the playoffs he just wants to shoot himself back to stardom.

and now, the Rockets
4) I wouldn't do it. Allan Houston is a great player, but to give up Griffin and Mobley is a bit too much. Mobley and Francis comprises of the best backcourt in the NBA. Griffin will turn it around. He just needs to start acting like a PF rather than a SF. Rice is old, but he provides the experience this team needs. Plus, this whole team has some great chemistry. Let them grow up together with Van Gundy, a teaching coach, and let's see how far we can go.

GraingerGuy
06-22-2003, 10:43 AM
4. Agreed with gear! This is not a good trade. imo, Houston (the guy, not the team) is way overrated and has a ginormous contract. Griffen is still budding...he showed flashes of aweseomness last year but he is still quite inconsistant. Hopefully that will turn around next year. Mobley is a good 2 guard that compliments Francis quite well. Rice....he still is pretty good and provides a good veteren that the Rockets REALLY need as they are REALLY immature.

JVG hopefully will stress the maturity thing with them.

bachviet
06-22-2003, 11:53 AM
I would go with #2 if I'm Minnesota. Rasheed no doubt is a hot temper player but he's a team player. Minnesota doesn't have the kind of players like Portland so I don't think he's going to get in trouble much.

RoniMan
06-22-2003, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by gear02
4) I wouldn't do it. Allan Houston is a great player, but to give up Griffin and Mobley is a bit too much. Mobley and Francis comprises of the best backcourt in the NBA. Griffin will turn it around. He just needs to start acting like a PF rather than a SF. Rice is old, but he provides the experience this team needs. Plus, this whole team has some great chemistry. Let them grow up together with Van Gundy, a teaching coach, and let's see how far we can go.

:stupid:

this is kinda like when lakers got glenn rice. they were hoping he would present an outside shooting presence to open up shaq. he was so inconsistent tho. the only thing is van gundy's been with houston (the player, not the team), so he might be able to utilize him to the fullest potential.

gear02
06-22-2003, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by RoniMan


:stupid:

this is kinda like when lakers got glenn rice. they were hoping he would present an outside shooting presence to open up shaq. he was so inconsistent tho. the only thing is van gundy's been with houston (the player, not the team), so he might be able to utilize him to the fullest potential.

:stupid:

hahaha...that's also like when the Rockets got Glen Rice. Except this time, Rudy T thought that the Zone would put a premium on shooters. He IS inconsistent though.

:D Funny how things remain the same.

The good thing though is that he's not a major distraction. On the contrary, he seems to be a good presence on the very young team. So at least he's worth something.

Btw, as much as I love Rudy T, I'm extremely happy with getting Jeff Van Gundy (JVG i guess). Rudy T's style was to let the players figure it out and to let them sort through it. This worked with the veteran ladened teams of the 1994 and 1995 championship years (Hakeem, Willis, Drexler, etc), but these guys are really young and they NEED coaching. I mean I can't tell you how many times I've gotten pissed out at our play. Even Bill Walton agrees with me. Most of the time they go straight into a 1 on 1 offense, which cannot work in this day and age. I mean, even when they have Yao playing well in the middle, Francis, Mobley, and Griffin would go into 1 on 1 mode and try to shoot. They really need someone to teach them a motion offense.

RoniMan
06-22-2003, 04:24 PM
lol.

hey gear, where's your sig from again? i want to say the simpsons, but not sure.

slaus
06-22-2003, 08:59 PM
As a Knick Fan, I would sell my soul to have the Allan Houston trade for Cutino Mobley, Eddie Griffin and Glen Rice. The Knicks need to get younger and I've been a fan of Griffin since his Seton Hall days. Plus Allan Houston's contract is ridiculous. I think the Knicks will be under the cap in another 20 years or so figuring we're currently spending double the cap.

gear02
06-23-2003, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by slaus
As a Knick Fan, I would sell my soul to have the Allan Houston trade for Cutino Mobley, Eddie Griffin and Glen Rice. The Knicks need to get younger and I've been a fan of Griffin since his Seton Hall days. Plus Allan Houston's contract is ridiculous. I think the Knicks will be under the cap in another 20 years or so figuring we're currently spending double the cap.

over my dead body!! hehehehe :D


Originally posted by RoniMan
hey gear, where's your sig from again? i want to say the simpsons, but not sure.

Family Guy. If you remember the scene, he was asked his name and he was looking around the room for ideas. It's a great scene.