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sbp
09-06-2003, 03:56 PM
Tagliabue may have league study change, cutting preseason (http://msnbc.com/news/962655.asp)

NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue said yesterday he is seriously considering authorizing the league to study the feasibility of adding two regular season games to the current 16-game schedule and reducing the number of preseason games.

The proposal would be made at a league meeting in Chicago in late October, with the 2005 season the earliest target for change.

The league has drawn criticism this summer for the length of its preseason after injuries to some key players, including quarterbacks Michael Vick of the Atlanta Falcons and Chad Pennington of the New York Jets.

But during an interview in his Washington office, Tagliabue said the proposal would be considered by the owners for competitive reasons and not in response to the loss of key players. Tagliabue began talking about such a study last spring to the league’s Competition Committee co-chair, Tampa Bay General Manager Rich McKay.

“We need to focus on whether or not two games are sufficient to get a team ready for the season,” Tagliabue said. “Many clubs feel that just in the past five years the offseason training and preparation has changed dramatically for the better. Some clubs feel that their coaching staffs are as intensively involved in preparing to play football in April and May and June as they are in September and November. Some of these clubs are concluding that for many players, including the top players, the second and third preseason games are critical while the first and fourth games are merely complementary.”

Tagliabue noted that schedule changes have been discussed by teams over the years and arguments made against such revisions. But, he added, “some clubs are urging that we should restudy these issues in light of the current realities: year-round preparation, quality of the athletes, improvements and playing fields and other factors.”

Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players Association, said yesterday he was aware of the possible proposal. “The game has changed so much a player does not need four games to get ready for the regular season. You’re not going to get any complaints from the players if they shorten the preseason,” he said.

The NFL has had a 16-game regular season for 25 years, with teams playing four and five preseason games (each team now has one week off during the season). “There have been tremendous changes in our football operations over the past 25 years,” Tagliabue said. “Everything today is at an incredibly high level, with great team practice facilities, great medical care and tremendous athletes preparing to play at least 11 months a year in most cases.”

Most clubs, including the Redskins, require season ticket holders to purchase tickets to two preseason games with their regular season package. Starting players get most of their work in the first half of the second and third preseason games, with younger players trying to make the club playing in the first and fourth games.

The economics of adding games to the regular season would have to be worked out. The players, under the current labor agreement, receive 64 percent of revenues, including preseaon gate. Upshaw said players are paid over 17 weeks of the regular season, by the game, earning additional preseason pay. Additional regular season work would have to be negotiated, Upshaw said. The NFL estimates the preseason generates $350 million in revenues.

“If you go the two [preseason] games, it still doesn’t mean teams won’t scrimmage and practice together, or that injuries will necessarily go away,” McKay said. “I think it’s more of a football issue than financial.”

“If you’re going to develop players, you have to be in camp for a certain period of time,” said Pittsburgh Steelers owner Dan Rooney.

New York Giants General Manager Ernie Accorsi is opposed to any change in the schedule.

“You have to have contact,” he said. “Look at how many injuries happen in practice. It’s football. You cannot approach football trying to avoid injuries. Playing 18 games scares me. Year in and year out we have more teams in contention for playoff spots. What would two more games do to that?”

slaus
09-06-2003, 05:09 PM
Adding more games would mean fewer teams have a chance to qualify for the playoffs. The better teams will rise over a longer schedule. With the current 16 game schedule, theres a higher chance an underdog could make the playoffs.

Freelance Superhero
09-06-2003, 05:19 PM
you know, i was just discussing something along these lines with my roommate.

i was wondering why football is played only once a week? i mean, i've never played (in HS or college or whatnot), so i don't know, but is football really that much more grueling a sport to play than basketball or baseball or soccer? or is there another reason why football is only played once a week? i mean, why not twice a week, even? that doesn't seem like it would be so bad... :shrug:

Cantacuzene
09-06-2003, 05:26 PM
The season already seems kinda long. Plus if you add more full games runnign backs will have that much shorter careers on average. I'm sure the players union wouldnt like it.

xsiled2
09-06-2003, 06:01 PM
who cares.... pro football is lame anyway.

Ladogaboy
09-06-2003, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by Freelance Superhero
is football really that much more grueling a sport to play than basketball or baseball or soccer?

Yes, it is far more grueling. Basketball, baseball, and soccer are relatively low impact sports, and, while your body is put under a lot of stress in those sports, it only has to deal with the force it itself produces. In football, you are constantly battered by other players who could be twice your size and, quiet literally, twice as strong as you. If you ever want to truly understand the amount of physical punishment your body can take, play competitive football for even just a week.

Also, consider this. The average career of a football player is far shorter than that of a baseball or basketball player, and yet football has, by far, the shortest season and the fewest number of games. If the season were lengthened or the number of games increased, I can guarantee that the average career of a football player would be even shorter.

Another thing to consider, and this has more to do with the nature of the sport than the athletes themselves. Football is like a chess match played out with bodies. The coaches and staff need, at the very least, 3-4 days preparation time in order to develop a "game plan." As it is, most football games are just controlled chaos. Try and put 11 different guys on the field at the same time without preparation, and the game would literally be unplayable. Unlike the other sports you mentioned, where each individual athlete CAN still act as an individual, football requires that all of the players know what they, and every other member of their team, are doing at any given time.

Sorry to preach, but football was my life for 7 years. :shrug:

TofuNinja
09-06-2003, 07:32 PM
What they should do is keep the current system but change how the games are played. In the first two games don't let you're first stringers play at all. Let them rest. Give your bench a chance to earn a spot on the team. Then if there look like someone's position on the team in on the line they battle for position in the remaining two games. Besides preseason means nothing, and the starters barely play to began with.

jonEwantsM3
09-06-2003, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by xsiled2
who cares.... pro football is lame anyway.

ur lame

cheapie
09-06-2003, 07:55 PM
football is the game of the gods! the only change they could make is reduce the amount of preseason games. i hate seeing the good players go down early. college teams don't play nearly as much preseason ball. when the season starts, it's on!

Freelance Superhero
09-06-2003, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by Ladogaboy
Sorry to preach, but football was my life for 7 years. :shrug: no, not at all... yours is exactly the kind of perspective i was hoping to hear from. ;)

gear02
09-06-2003, 09:16 PM
it's a decent idea. First you chop of 2 games from the preseason and add them to the regular season. Thus, it just means that regulars will be playing in about 6 more quarters, assuming that starters usually sit out a good portion of the preseason. I don't see too much of a problem, but I would just have them chop off the 2 preseason games and leave it at 16, but owners want the ticket revenue.

And yeah football, pro or college, rocks. :D That Miami - Florida game was sweetness itself.

gear02
09-06-2003, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Ladogaboy


Sorry to preach, but football was my life for 7 years. :shrug:

Speaking of which Ladogaboy, what do you think of ESPN's playmakers? Is it really over the top?

jonEwantsM3
09-06-2003, 11:05 PM
i like espn playmakers

but i do think they do a little overkill on some of the drama parts tho

but thats what they were trying to go for according to cuba gooding interview to appeal to female viewers

slaus
09-07-2003, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by gear02
it's a decent idea. First you chop of 2 games from the preseason and add them to the regular season. Thus, it just means that regulars will be playing in about 6 more quarters, assuming that starters usually sit out a good portion of the preseason. I don't see too much of a problem, but I would just have them chop off the 2 preseason games and leave it at 16, but owners want the ticket revenue.

And yeah football, pro or college, rocks. :D That Miami - Florida game was sweetness itself.

I cant believe Miami won.

Ladogaboy
09-07-2003, 02:08 AM
Originally posted by gear02


Speaking of which Ladogaboy, what do you think of ESPN's playmakers? Is it really over the top?

I don't watch ESPN unless there is a game on. :heh:

cheapchinese
09-07-2003, 05:10 AM
LA needs a football team, it just feels odd that i root for the 49'ers...but they are like 6hrs away from me

Ladogaboy
09-07-2003, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by cheapchinese
LA needs a football team, it just feels odd that i root for the 49'ers...but they are like 6hrs away from me

You always have the Raiders as an option. :P

coleslaw
09-07-2003, 03:32 PM
Adding 2 games to the regular season will really distort stats. There will be no way to compare players to previous seasons if there are 2 extra games. There would always be an asterisk involved, and we all know that that is never fun.

Ladogaboy
09-07-2003, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by coleslaw
Adding 2 games to the regular season will really distort stats. There will be no way to compare players to previous seasons if there are 2 extra games. There would always be an asterisk involved, and we all know that that is never fun.

Well, it's not like they don't have to do that already with the players from the 70's and prior.

TofuNinja
09-07-2003, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by cheapchinese
LA needs a football team, it just feels odd that i root for the 49'ers...but they are like 6hrs away from me

I love the niners but if you want to root for a closer team, try the Chargers