Food Stamps

[NiceMann]

Ok food stamps are a good idea. I think it's a great system for people who needs it. I myself have never used them, but it's nice to know there are government programs like that out there.

The thing I hate is how people abuse them. For those of you that don't know I am a grocery store manager (ya...what a great job, ya right). I see all kinds of people come in and go out. Some people honestly needs food stamps and others don't. Let me give you an example of someone today. A well dressed man and lady came in about got $275 worth of groceries. That's including 4 packs of T-Bone Steaks, shrimp, and a lobster. They of course used their EBT card (same as food stamps) and paid for the order. After seeing that I watched them walk out the door and get into a nice Lincoln car.

People like that always get me mad and the sad thing is I see that all the time. The food stamp system was not setup to be used like that. I mean these people are getting lobster and steaks for free...heck I can't even eat like that if I wanted to. Well I guess I could if I go on food stamps. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Oh well...not much I can do about it.

~NiceMann

[colossus]

Oh boy, something I could shoot my mouth off about, but SBP did a pretty good job covering the points!

If the government wanted to help people, they should stop it at the source. Most or a large majority of the "true" welfare victims are battered women. In our med school classes we learned there are more animal shelters than there are for battered women. What's up with that? Where are the priorities?

If you kept one single mother family off the street you would improve the quality of life for that family as well as decrease the overall expenditure on that family.

Here's another bright idea. The county of Los Angeles spent $1.2 billion, with a B, to handicap equip all the buses in the MTA. For 1.2 billion, they could have provided door to door shuttle pickup for the next 10 years for those truly disabled people!!! Why didn't they do this? Because people would object and bitch about somebody without legs getting a "free handout".

Sometimes I wish a GRE and high SAT scores were required for public office, more than some lame law degree. Sure you know the law, but can you make sensible laws?

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[Crunch It Now]

i agree that foodstamps and welfare in general is a good thing for people and families like, when someone loses a job. however, like nicemann said, it pisses me off when people abuse the system and take advantage of it. i for one think there should be a time limit on it. say, you can get food stamps/walfare for 6 months, and by that time you should have found a job and can take care of yourself. and if not - its your own fault and you cant reapply for like, another 6 months or year or something like that. i believe wisconsin has implemented something similar to this and i guess it is working really well,

thats what i think anyways....

[sbp]

My sister worked for a cashier for Giant food store and saw this type of thing happening all the time. Even today a few years after leaving the job she gets greatly annoyed about it. Some people on food stamps and other public assistance programs acted like they were owed it and sure as hell didn't need it. The only thing they were owed was a foot up the ass to get out there and start taking care of themselves, instead of sitting there playing with their gold chains depending on the hard working taxpayer to take care of their pathetic asses. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/mad.gif

Welfare began with the best of reasons and it was meant as a temporary assistance during hard times for people. Welfare was greatly expanded during LBJ's administration as part of his colossal failure Great Society. Anyone could literally get welfare by walking into a welfare office and claiming it. It soon became a way of life for lazy people to avoid working and being responsible. Generation after generation living off the taxpayer and system. Even today 30 years after the Great Failure we're still having to deal with all these worthless, wasteful programs. Welfare was an inducement not to work. As Ronald Reagan said when people are paid not to work then people won't work.

Another thing is there is no reason for legal immigrants and most especially illegal aliens to be getting these taxpayer provided freebies imo. I can drive a few minutes and see this very thing happening. This is quite a change from when my mother came to this country in 1964. She and her Irish friends were told at any time they became dependent on the American taxpayer they would be shipped back. That's fair in my view. This policy was changed a few years later. People should be coming to this country to work and be productive instead of getting an easy handout. America is the land of opportunity and should not be the land of handouts. Because somewhere out there someone else had to work hard to provide that handout.

Fortunately a few years ago welfare reform was done over Clinton's objections. Even though today there are still a few glaring cases to the contrary, welfare reform has been a spectacular success. There are those who as part of the welfare cottage industry and who themselves became dependent on the welfare state who love to scream and say its caused needless pain. This is not so or true. Its going to take a while to change the mindset of dependence of some people and undo the damage done by welfare.

For those who are truly unable to take care of themselves welfare and assistance (both public and private) should be readily available. Those looking to scam the system and too lazy to take care of themselves should be told a firm no and refused no matter how much they whine. The truly sad thing is at the height of the welfare system people who truly need governmental assistance often didn't get it as resources that could have been used for them were gobbled up by those scamming the system. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/mad.gif

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[w_boodle]

Maybe there are more animal shelters than battered-women shelters, because there are more stray animals than battered women.

Like tens of millions more.

Stray animals represent a public health concern which affects every citizen. We can't allow wild dogs and cats to overrun our city streets -- any more than we can allow them to hungrily prowl the lines of abused women waiting for admission to a shelter.

A more pertinent statistic would be the amount of money that is devoted to each of these humanitarian concerns. More shelters doesn't necessarily mean proportionally better funding.

After all, battered women (and the children they often bring) need to be sheltered, fed and counseled. This involves beds, warm food, and government-paid Social Workers.

Our investment in stray animals is somewhat less demanding -- a shared cage... a cup of chicken lips and a quick death after 3 (or less) days.

How disturbing that your Med school class would present these issues in such a politically obvious fashion -- and call it education.

My modest proposal? Lets feed the stray animals to the battered women and kill two birds (strays, of course) with one stone.

[NiceMann]

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My modest proposal? Lets feed the stray animals to the battered women and kill two birds (strays, of course) with one stone.
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I think your pushing it a little there. Heck no one can eat Chinese food everyday. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/frown.gif

[Leon]

I do! http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Well, almost...

[colossus]

In response to w_boodle's post, a stray cat or dog is less likely by say 1000 or 10,000 fold to accost you in an alley or subway. I volunteered at an animal shelter for 6 weeks, I know how things go. Perhaps all the stray animals are coming from those broken homes?

I don't want to go into this because it's too much to post. I simply wanted to state my view that often lawmakers have their had up their ass. I think a certain level of community involvement should be required to hold office. Have these people ever done police ride alongs? I have. Have they ever volunteered at a hospital or hospice? I have for 7 years. Have they ever counseled a teen about birth control and seen the reaction?

I'm not running for office. I would like to in the sense I would like to chaneg things. I just think my time is better serves as a physician than a untrusted politician.

With regards to the politics in med school...when in recent times have you known the two not to exist. I know there are bad physicians out there. There are few people in my class who I think should go into research! But that majority are most competent caring people you will ever meet. If we pretend to be nieve to politics we are only deceiving ourselves. The school actually encourages us to become politcally involved and fight for our patietns and our rights.

I despise the majority of lawyers. I'll make no effort ot conceal that. The examples of fraudulent litigation of lame citizens suing physicians and the state is overwhelming. It digusts me how much people would want to take advantage of the legal system and how many lawyers there are to assist these efforts. To all the hard working honest lawyers out there I'm sorry these pigs give you're profession a bad name!

All pissed off!

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[hapoo]

ahh more essays http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

[makm]

i would love to read these stories if i had more time. but i do agree about the a**h*les that abuse the food stamp system.

[StarvingCollegeStudent]

damn all these essays in here... Gotta write one by next week, maybe i can just cut and paste some of this stuff.. heheheh

[Sjarred]

It truly sucks that there are more people out there abusing the the system than there are people actually in need of them. Time for a reform. Your lucky StarvingCollegeStudent, I have to write 3 essay in 10 days. Darn!

[ProMinx]

nicewomann, you're only 20, and yet you're a manager of a grocrey store? wow
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[colossus]

Nicewomann hahaha! I guess we're never playing this thing down http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif I prefer NiceTHING until I see some evidence to name "it" one way or the other. Just playing with you man! Or Woman, err, or thing? Eww...

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[sbp]

Your playing with him, er her, colossus? Good grief! http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/eek.gif

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[NiceMann]

lol ok what do i got to do to prove it to you guys. You want me to whip "it" out and show you guys. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

Oh and Prominx it's not hard. Age doesn't always matter. Just how hard you work and of course who you know. But believe me I worked my ass off and still do. For example I worked over 16 hours last night straight without leaving the store. That is one of the draw backs of being salary...but hey it pays the bills and gives me spending money.

~NiceMann

[colossus]

Oh My God! I just read NiceTHING's post and well, let's just say it was hillarious. Not what he did say, but what I was thinking when he wrote it. Here, follow this line of logic.

1) He opens up with this quote "lol ok what do i got to do to prove it to you guys. You want me to whip "it" out and show you guys."

So obviously we think he's talking about something of sexual nature here right?

2) "Oh and Prominx it's not hard. Age doesn't always matter. Just how hard you work and of course who you know."

Hard? What's hard? Oh that's disgusting. Why did you "whip it out". Why is "he" telling me his problems. Take some Viagra. Yes, who you know helps - please see Hot Babes topic for assistance.

3) "For example I worked over 16 hours last night straight without leaving the store. That is one of the draw backs of being salary...but hey it pays the bills and gives me spending money."

He's a pimp now! Sorry if I took this too far, but I don't know where my head was. Just thought some of you "guys" might find this amusing http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

Nicemann, nothing personal dude. I'm just having some fun. The reason I got so wound up was that you INSISTED you were female when somebody questioned you. That scares me http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[Jenny]

lol

NiceMann is FUNNY! http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

[sbp]

BWAHAAHAA http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif. Its hilarious.

[NiceMann]

ROFL Colossus....all in good fun.


Oh btw I don't need viagra. Sometimes I wish I could get a drug that can do the opposite for I think with the right head. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

[ProMinx]

that was friggin awesome colossus, i didn't even think of it that way, and i'm usually in that sort of mindset for catching everyone's mistakes like that. You're the man (unlike nice(insert any gender-based noun here) who we have yet to see proof of. Just kidding; i have no reason not to trust you, and you have no reason to lie.
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