CHP

[Mike_N_Ike]

Well, I had the opportunity to visit the lovely Santa Ana superior court today to work out the details of my citation....5 hours and 500 dollars later, I return.

Does anyoone else think thats a bit much for a speeding ticket?

[revil]

how fast were you going? obviously they caught you, so not fast enough.

[This message has been edited by Reverend Evil (edited 05-25-2000).]

[Mike_N_Ike]

Nothing ridiculous...I think like 95 in a 65 when he saw me. It was a toll road and I think I was the only person on it that night. But it slopes down (majorly) and it's really easy to pick up speed.

[Sjarred]

I paid $125 for going 80mph. How fast were you going?? You sure you didn't get air-borne?? Hehehe http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Mike_N_Ike]

Hmm, I don't understand http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/frown.gif

Were you in a 65 at the time? I can vaguely remember someone telling me that once it's >20 MPH over the limit it gets much worse. I don't know.
Hmmm, and I know someone else who got a ticket for going 91 in a 70 and it only cost $190.00. That was in Nevada but still...

Hmmmmmmmm, very interesting...

[ProMinx]

if you exceed the speed limit by either 15 or 20 mph, it counts as reckless endangerment, and hence...the fine goes way way up.
PM

[Mike_N_Ike]

lame lame lame http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/mad.gif

[revil]

you ought to do what i do, evade the cops. it helps (not that i condone it in any way http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif). I've never gotten a speeding ticket.

[Mike_N_Ike]

What exactly do you mean by evade the cops?

I make a considerable effort to see them before they see me. Are you talking about something more than that?

[Sjarred]

Yup, I was on a 65 and got the Freaken ticket for going 80. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/mad.gif I think Reverend Evil's evading the cop thing has a much more evil connotation to it than just looking out for them. Stinking cop, gave me a ticket on a highway where everybody speeds. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/mad.gif I think it was the toll road thing that got you the heavy fine.


[This message has been edited by Sjarred (edited 05-25-2000).]

[NiceMann]

Heck you don't speed around my area. I only have gotten one ticket in my life. I was going 36mph in a 30mph zone. The bad thing was that it was going down hill. Heck it wasn't even a residental zone. Well anyways at the bottom of the hill was the cop. He hit his blue light and pulled me over. When he walked up to my window he asked me for my drivers license...etc. When he finally told me I was spending he came straight out and told me I was doing 6 over the speed limit (down hill). Well that 6 mphs cost me $129. Heck I was even being poliet to him.

You don't speed in my town. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/frown.gif

[Apex]

Ugh, I personally can't stand most cops. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/frown.gif Bad experiences I guess.

[pennypinch]

Colossus: If the cops don't show, you still have to pay? Here in Canada, if the cop doesn't show, you get off. Strange! Funny how it only swings one way there: I got pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt, and received a notice for $29 bail. Well, I figured I still had to show up at court, so I assumed I'd pay it there. Well, the day they scheduled me for was veterans day, so no court. Great. THEN I got a bill for $300 for failing to appear in court. So it costs the regular citizen money to miss court, and it costs the citizen money if the cop misses court. Am I missing something?

[Sjarred]

Being polite to them won't get you off crap. Try to give them a bribe next time. http://www.krispykreme.com/images/homebut.jpg
http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[revil]

Evil connotations are the best http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/cool.gif
By evading cops, i mean i lose them. ie: I see the cop with the radar gun, i speed up to get out of there.

tip: get far enough away so they can't see you and get out of your car. then walk into a local establishment. they can't give you a ticket. but beware, if they catch you getting out of the car, they got you on evading the police. hefty fine. happened to one of my friends. This has helped me several times. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[ProMinx]

i should start following rev's example. he seems to have some pretty nice ideas.
Pro

[speedracer120]

Just show the cops some respect. * http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/rolleyes.gifsnicker* Yeah right.

I got caught doing 70 on a 65 zone. I've told the story before. Funny thing is that cops usually sit and wait for the best target to pass by. You just have to be aware of the most likely hiding spots and be ready to pull up on the parking brakes (so you don't light up your brake lights http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif). If a cop sees your brake lights, more than likely he'll pull you over.

[colossus]

Exactly! This is why I never got a speeding ticket. It helps to have ridden along with cops for two weeks http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

Don't brake because then you're acknowledging that you did something wrong. Let off the gas. I wouldn't pull the parkig brake unless you are majorly speeding as it was to expensive a repair. Also, when you see a cop it's ok to pass them if you're keeping with traffic (as long as you're not fix it ticket suseptible). Try to avoid erratic lane changes, and make sure you signal. They love to nail you for not signalling when speeding.

If you're >20 mph above the speed limit they can put you in jail. A friend of mine was taking his Contour SVT for a little trip on I-15 and he was doing like 146 mph. The cops were majorly mad because for 10 minutes they were chasing him and couldn't catch him hehe. He got put in the pokey for 2 hours. Money is money, but last thing I want is to make a new "friend" called Tiny or Bubba http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/eek.gif

I love cops as they'll probably save my ass one day from something. CHP is who I dislike because they always seem to be picking on the lamest stuff. The only ticket I ever got was for an "illegal entry" into the carpool lane on 105 going through Compton. The lame part I signalled and even had a passenger. I entered it to avoid one of those blown truck tires, but the cop said it didn't matter. I guess he would have preffered me to lose control of my car http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/mad.gif I wasn't even speeding, I was doing 64 mph on a Sunday morning and there was no traffic either, plus I knew he was behind me. He was following me for 5 miles or so. Bastard!

He's the worst part. So I get to go to Compton court. Yeah! So I show up at 8 AM to fight the ticket, but the cop didn't show because he scheduled a night court appearance. There was no night court that day, on AM. What a dumbass! I went to pay the ticket to get it over with, but the clerk said I couldn't pay for it even cuz the cop wans't there. I had already missed 4 hours of work thanks to this jerk. So I mailed the check, with a scan of my middle finger. I also sent a nice complaint to the department head, but doubt it did anything.

Sorry, but I hated that incident. It forced me to drive in the speed limit for 18 months and I had to go to traffic school with lamers. The guy who ran the traffic school said he could find one violation on anybody's car. I dared him to find one on mine, and he looked for a burned out light, modifications, ect. He couldn't find one. I found his trunk light had burned out.

Point being you can know the auto law all you want and it still doesn't help!

Remember, always be careful during the last 10 days of any month. This is when cops/CHP have to make their "quota", and I got nailed during the last 10 days.

------------------
Ço£o§§ü§ - yeah you can read into it...

[speedracer120]

I've got to remember that. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/wink.gif

P.S. Cops have their favorite hiding spots. You see 'em there once, they'll be there again sometime.

[revil]

I think we need to buy a fully decked out cop car and follow police officers around and citizens arrest then whenever they do anything (ya ya, I know this isn't how citizen arrest works.)

Anyone got any good deals on cop cars? http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

Here's a story for you all. My bro was pulled over for going 55 in a 35 mph construction zone and was ticketed. My bro was going 35 because he was stuck behind a suv that was going 35. My bro got the license plate number of the suv and contacted the person. On his court date he showed up and when he was allowed to defend him self, he asked the guy in the suv (who was nice enough to help my bro out) if he was going the speed limit. He of course said yes. My bro then asked the cop if the suv was going the speed limit. The cop said it was. He then asked the cop if he was right behind the suv, and the cop said he was. He then explained it wasn't possible for him to do 55 since the suv he was right behind was going 35. The cop replied, the radar gun said you were going 55. So guess what the judge did, he made my bro pay.

Lesson: cops and judges aren't just jackass's, their also stupid.

[Sjarred]

Freaken jacked-up bastards. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/mad.gif

[Mike_N_Ike]

Ok, I'm trying to remember all this for next time.

I actually have been pulled over quite a few times for smaller things, but I've always been able to talk my way out of tickets somehow.

I think if you're driving on a normal freeway, you just need to be careful to keep an eye out in your mirrors so they can't match speed with you. Downshifting/e-braking may help if a cop is driving on the freeway with you, but I don't think it makes much of a difference when they radar you. Especially with those new lidar guns that they have. Anywayz, I don't know how good an idea it is to try to slow down from 100 MPH with the e-brake.

I think I've had overall good experiences with the police. I realize and appreciate the job they do in general. It's not like I didn't know that speeding was illegal. I just thought that 500 dollars was a bit much to pay for driving downhill on an empty tollroad/freeway at one and a half times the speed limit.

[hapoo]

pennypinch actually its the same here, if the cop doesn't show up you dont have to pay. i'm not sure what happened in Colossus's case.

[colossus]

In my case the cop scheduled for a date/time that did not exist. I went off on the clerk for 30 minutes about this, but she wouldn't budge. So I had to pay the damn ticket. Needless to say I wrote a 4.5 page letter to his supervisor describing the situation.

------------------
Ço£o§§ü§ - yeah you can read into it...

[hapoo]

only 4.5 pages???

with all the long ass essay's you post here i would have expected more. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif j/k

[jclark]

You should really look at <A HREF="http://www.motorists.org/">this site</A> if you um have a heavy foot. Lots of good tips on how to avoid / fight traffic tickets (more if you're a member) and according to <A href="http://www.boston.com/news/daily/26/ticket_insurance.htm">this article</A> they now offer a prepaid traffic ticket program, where you pay $5-$50 a month for coverage of $100-$1000 per ticket. A better choice might be to purchase prepaid legal insurance. (Legal insurance kicks ass, especially if you're getting ready to buy a house or if you own a home business.)

Anyway, radar speeding tickets are trivially easy to fight, and there are a few hundred sites that will tell you how. Search Google for 'fight traffic ticket.' The basic technique is to force the prosecution to produce a witness - no cop, no crime!, bury them in paperwork with discovery requests (When was the gun calibrated? When did the officer last receive training/certification on the gun used?), and if necessary, use a tape measure, a camera, and a little trigonometry to prove that the officer couldn't physically have clocked you doing the speed in the location for the 3-5 seconds he claims he did. I've gotten out of a couple amber/red light tickets (I was innocent both times anyway, no, really I was) by just asking for a trial. No cop, they immediately returned my bond card and dismissed the case both times.

[This message has been edited by jclark (edited 05-26-2000).]

[Pdizog]

I got lucky with my ticket. I was speeding on Beach blvd...never paid the ticket and never went to court. They should've had a warrant for me. When I called, they had no record of my ticket...it was LOST!!! The person at the citation office told me that the officer may have miss filed it and that I was lucky. Heh heh. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Fuz]

One of my roommates is a Cop, the other is a CHP. So I get all the info I need about tickets.

To answer a few questions, fee's vary by state, county, highway, and speed.

If you are doing more than 15 over you can be sited for a Felony reckless endangerment. Most of the times cops will just knock the speed down to 15 over so they don't have to go through the bookwork or haul your lousy tail into jail.

In California if they cop doesn't show up to court you can have the ticket waived, and if you argue the ticket you had better have a good argument because nobody cares that your foot was a little heavy that day.

If you get a ticket for doing about 5 miles over you can argue that either the radar gun was off or your speedometer is possibly off.

Begging can actually work depending how the cop/CHP is feeling that day.

Contrary to popular belief, here in California there are no quota's for cops or CHP's.

Fuz




------------------
-So I sez to him, getch yer own monkey.

[Mike_N_Ike]

Going 15 MPH over the speed limit is a felony?
Wow. That's scary.

[revil]

just remember, your not a felon till your caught http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

[colossus]

Exactly Dr. Evil, errr Reverend Evil. I'm Dr. Evil.

Anywho, cops do have "quotas". Nothing blatant like you must arrest a certain # of people this month or anything like that, but do get promotions or recognition if they seem more vigilant. I've had enough experience with Cerritos Police through Ride Alongs and calls to my house to know.

No, they didn't come to my house because of something I did. I live on a corner, and occasionally my wall gets tagged. Bastards! Once I even heard them, and was gonna go out with my Baseball bat, but then realized I'm not Jet Li and can't dodge bullets.

Hmm, gotta get that Laser of mine working again. I used to cut small pieces of metal with it. I wonder how the tagger would feel knowing it's mounted on my roof and ready to cut a whole in his frontal lobe! Muhahaha!

------------------
Ço£o§§ü§ - yeah you can read into it...

[revil]

i doubt he'd care after that.

[StarvingCollegeStudent]

hmmm how bout spray painting something on the wall before I...(oopse) I meant "they" get to it? http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
heheh just a thought

[This message has been edited by StarvingCollegeStudent (edited 06-01-2000).]

[pennypinch]

Yeah, the ticket as evidence of vigilence theory sounds sensible to me. As does the discovery requests. Whoo, if they're gonna charge me two hundo for an infraction, I'm gonna get my money's worth from the state prosecutor's office!!

[tupacboy]

i hate them.... i swear they should make a law in which all "peace" keeping asswipes need to graduate from a four year college.... i just hate the fact that some fool that barely graduated highschool has so much authority over me.... grr... that's my two and a half cents...

[Speedfreak]

My Uncle told me a story once that awhile back he had a 1969 Camaro and was driving on the Grapevine (going about 85). He said it was early in the morning and there weren't very many cars on the road. At one point he noticed a Ferrari pull up alongside him. The guy in the Ferrari wanted to race, so began the race. They kept neck and neck, changing lanes to avoid traffic. They got up 155. My Uncle said the guy seemed amazed that this Camaro was keeping up with him.. that's getting up there for the Camaro, but not impossible. At that speed one of them moved to avoid a car that was in front of him and didn't notice what it was untill it was right between both of them. It was a CHP. They both just let off the gas and the cop stayed between them, slowing them down. At the point when they were all down to 90, the CHP backed off even more, changed lanes, and got off the highway.

Once the CHP was off the highway and out of site, the guy in the Ferrari gave a salute to my Uncle and gunned it down the road. At this point my uncle was still going 90 and he said the Ferrari probably got up to twice that speed before it couldn't be seen down the road anymore.

My uncle didn't speed up as well for fear that the first CHP radioed ahead to another CHP down the road waiting take them both to jail for failing to stay at the speed the CHP dropped them to.

I just wish I could have been there, but I think it was before I was born... oh well.

------------------
§=-Sp34dFr34k-=§

[hapoo]

1969 Camaro keep up with a Ferrari??!?!?!?!

[Speedfreak]

Look at the speed I said they were going... It wasn't even near top for the Ferrari. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

------------------
§=-Sp34dFr34k-=§

[speedracer120]

Has anyone else noticed a more pronounced precense of cops around? Or am I the only one?

[colossus]

As much as you may "HATE" law enforcement, they're the only ones who'll will come to save your ass at 4 AM when somebody is breaking into your house. True, some may act like jerks with the "authority" complex, and some don't understand doing 100 mph in booneyland highway is less dangerous than 40 down a residential street, but these people put their life on the line. No, nobody in my family is a cop, but I just say I have to respect what they do. Maybe it's because I worked at a VA Hospital where lot of veterans don't feel they get respect for what they did.

------------------
Ço£o§§ü§ - yeah you can read into it...

[ugly]

What you guys need is a Police Benevolency Card. Get one from a cop you know or by donating to Law Enforcement Organizations. Flash it when you get pulled over or keep it on the dashboard when your illegally parked; they work.

Other ways to avoid getting a ticket:
1) Cry.
2) Say you have to pee real bad.
I've heard that both methods work.

[revil]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ugly:
[B]What you guys need is a Police Benevolency Card. Get one from a cop you know or by donating to Law Enforcement Organizations. Flash it when you get pulled over or keep it on the dashboard when your illegally parked; they work.
[B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what's a Police Benevolency Card?

[colossus]

I have the card on my back window, but it doesn't help at 80+ mph. I got pulled over once for doing 78 in the dual carpool lanes of the 110 S Freeway just before the 105. I escaped a ticket, but probably because I was driving my 1987 Taurus wagon and my sister was in the passenger seat. Cop said I should tone it down a bit because people might cut into the lane, but he didn't note that I was 13 mph above the speed limit - because everybody else was at least 5 mph plus.

He may or may not have seen the card. Anyway, that was the only time I got pulled over other than my ticket.

Here's another tip. If you're going really fast in the fast lane, ie 80+, try to keep watching the cars as they pass by you, and watch the onramps. Unless a cop comes screaming up behind you they'll never know you're going fast unless you whiz by them. I'm very vigilent when I drive - it almost gives me an ulcer. I've only been "surprised" by a cop once because he was hiding on the onramp. Even then, he can't really radar gun me until I pass him by about 1/8 mile. That's enough time to lose 5-10 mph or slow to traffic speed.

I may drive fast, but I pay attention when I do so. Last thing I want to do as a doctor is send granny flying off the road by plowing into her at 90 mph http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif

------------------
Ço£o§§ü§ - yeah you can read into it...