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rajatQ2
09-30-2003, 06:41 PM
Has anyone ever used a piece of software called BitTorrent? it is very interesting, especially to nerds like me.

http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/introduction.html

It seems to be some sort of distribution application for file distribution. Read the intro, its pretty cool!

Here is how it works. There is one server that is seeded with the file. THe one i saw was "Fanimatrix" a movie that some new zealander guys made imitating the matrix. Its a large AVI. The first person starts downloading the file from the server. When the second person starts downloading, they get packets of the file not only from the server, but also from the first user. The 3rd user gets data from 3 sources, etc...It builds on in an exponential fashion :)

Its a cool idea, but unfortunately, not especially fast while i downloaded Fanimatrix.

What a good idea though, distributing file distribution like that...
coleslaw
09-30-2003, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by rajatQ2
Its a cool idea, but unfortunately, not especially fast while i downloaded FanimatrixYep. I've been using BitTorrent for months now. And the speeds are super fast with more popular files. ;)
Merlin
10-01-2003, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by coleslaw
Yep. I've been using BitTorrent for months now. And the speeds are super fast with more popular files. ;)

But superslow with the others. Or even incomplete. If it doesn't have 10 or more "seeds" I don't even bother.
Jeffbx
10-01-2003, 05:04 AM
Isn't this the way Kazaa works? I know Kazaa downloads from multiple sources simultaneously - how is this one different?
Cantacuzene
10-01-2003, 07:00 AM
I've never had a Bittorrent send goes fast except the first day I used it. Even when there are dozens of seeds it still goes slow due to everyone not sharing.
revil
10-01-2003, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by Cantacuzene
I've never had a Bittorrent send goes fast except the first day I used it. Even when there are dozens of seeds it still goes slow due to everyone not sharing.
um.... that's not how it works...

you should only get about the same amount of data you are sending unless there is excess bandwidth going around, then you can get more. so the people who are just leaching should only get data when there is an excess.
Cantacuzene
10-01-2003, 12:57 PM
What I'm saying is that no one is sharing, thus even though I have myself set to share unlimited no one is sending fast, even when there are tons of downloaders. The people who are sharing 100% complete copies arent sharing their fair share.
rajatQ2
10-01-2003, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by Cantacuzene
The people who are sharing 100% complete copies arent sharing their fair share.

That's not true either. IF i double click a torrent file, and i have already completely downloaded that file, my upload is saturated, sharing to other people.

I can do this with the file i started this thread with - fanimatrix.avi. If i open the torrent file it will upload my full 128 kbits / second... We are sharing more than our fair share :)
Cantacuzene
10-01-2003, 03:35 PM
Then why is it that I can be downloading an entire 1.2 gb file and it never goes more than 2kbs? I have my upload set to unlimited and this could be a hugely popular file with tons of completed copies and it never goes faster than 2kbs. Obviously somethign isnt happening as intended, as I should be downloading at about 600k down when the torrent becoems "torrential."
coleslaw
10-01-2003, 05:59 PM
Many people are using a hacked version of the client that prevents them from sharing but allows them to download. :rolleyes:
Cantacuzene
10-01-2003, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by coleslaw
Many people are using a hacked version of the client that prevents them from sharing but allows them to download. :rolleyes:

Thats what I expected.
revil
10-01-2003, 10:55 PM
afaik, the other clients know it's not uploading thus will only upload to it when there is excess bandwidth.
PrObLy
10-02-2003, 01:19 AM
I love Bittorrent...seems to be the easiest way to get new, rare, and unreleased multimedia type things. Sure, if the seeder has minimal upload bandwidth and you're one of the first clients on it, the download will seem to take forever, but it's well worth the wait. I often achieve download speeds in excess of 200 k/sec.
Merlin
10-02-2003, 04:56 AM
Originally posted by PrObLy
I often achieve download speeds in excess of 200 k/sec.

It does seem to be a good way to get TV shows but I've never come anywhere close to 200k. Hell, I'm happy on the rare occasion I get 40k.
Paymaster
10-02-2003, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Jeffbx
Isn't this the way Kazaa works? I know Kazaa downloads from multiple sources simultaneously - how is this one different?

Kazaa only downloads from other who have the complete file. Sounds like (but can't be sure) this software will start downlaoding from whatever fragment of the file is available.
PrObLy
10-02-2003, 06:08 PM
http://www.lemonizer.com/upload/uploadsSep/bittorrent1.JPG


:)
billxp
10-03-2003, 07:25 AM
My 2 cents. I never used bit torrent. I have been a avid p2p user on mostly on direct connect. I haven't used any P2P since the lawsuit threat has hit. Not worth it to me at this point in my life. Plus I found that I had stopped really downloading anything from most of the hubs and was basically just a file server for others.

My advice is old school. NEWSGROUPS

Read and learn more here http://www.slyck.com/ng.php

Sure its more work and you can't search like on most P2P networks but wait to you see the speeds. Also I'm pretty sure its safer.
Jeffbx
10-03-2003, 09:09 AM
:stupid:

But oh, how I long for the days of Napster...
NuTs62
10-03-2003, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by billxp

My advice is old school. NEWSGROUPS

Read and learn more here http://www.slyck.com/ng.php

Sure its more work and you can't search like on most P2P networks but wait to you see the speeds. Also I'm pretty sure its safer.

But most of the good ones cost $$$ don't they? And old school? Wouldn't that be the days of dial-up and local BBS's? :P
Cantacuzene
10-03-2003, 11:09 PM
You don;t know old school. Old school is the days of Foot Networks.
billxp
10-04-2003, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Cantacuzene
You don;t know old school. Old school is the days of Foot Networks.

Are you speaking of a Sneaker Network :)

"In the early days of computer networking, people who were behind the times referred to their "sneaker network," a name that described how they copied files to a floppy disk and carried it to another computer."

This will still work but we use cdr's and external hardrives now :D
billxp
10-04-2003, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by NuTs62


But most of the good ones cost $$$ don't they? And old school? Wouldn't that be the days of dial-up and local BBS's? :P

Well know adays since retro is in style feel free to dust off that old 1200 baud modem :)

Yes its old school in terms of the technology used.

You could always use the newsgroups provided free by your isp but I would then recommend to stick to mp3's and p0rn pics.

I use ultrafeeds for my newsgroups. Its $15 a month unlimited, but I do get my moneys worth. Also pay $5 for a search engine that makes finding things much easier. I also recommend newsbin pro for your newsreader.

No such thing as a free lunch I guess. You have to spend a little to get alot.