Your opinion of Lucy Liu...

[PCC]

I have an on-going debate with my co-workers about Lucy Liu. Before divulging too many details about what we've been debating, I would like to hear some other people's opinions about her.

What I would like to know are: On a scale from 1-10 (1 being, "She fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down," and 10 being drop-dead-gorgeous): Face, body, overall package. Please post your opinion then, if you want, please post any comments. I will follow this up in about a week.

Thanks!

[Memo]

She's about a 9, those freckles , I love em!

[eSDee]

Although she's not the most voluptous(sp?), something about the total package makes her a 8 in my book.

[attgig]

face: 5
body: 6
overall package: 8

(doesn't add up, does it?)

but yeah, i dont' think she herself is incredibly attractive. There are definitely better looking asians (stinkin slanty eyes are a big negative in my book)

but yeah, the way she presents/carries herself....she makes herself more attractive.

[TofuNinja]

5 leaning on 4. Her face just doesn't do it for me and compared to other Asians like Sung Hi Lee and Kayla Yu she is nothing....NOTHING!!! so I guess a solid 5...final answer

[Merlin]

a six to seven. I think she is just a tadd bit better than your average female. :shrug:

[Dirty Sanchez]

10...she knows how to kick ass

[zenbooty]

I've never found her very attractive. I've never seen any interviews of her or heard her off camera, so only have her characters to go by. It seems to me all her characters have very unappealing personalities.

[topane]

7, give or take one depending on my mood. I'd throw it in her.

[Leebo]

face: 8
Body: 9

Overall, moreso 8

[mcs328]

I'm gonna say 6.5 and I think Kelly Hu is way better.

[nickel]

7

might even say she is a slight butterface :eek:

[kimchicowboy]

5 i agree with mcs

[Jihforce]

5. Seeing freckles on an asian woman is odd enough as it is. I do not find her attractive at all. As stated before, I'd take Kelly Hu over her any day.

[Cheesypuff]

Ooooo...I love that chinese Body!

Not just becuase I'm chinese....it's just that chinese girls hits the spot for me!

[RoniMan]

Originally posted by nickelback
7

might even say she is a slight butterface :eek:
:stupid:

hehe, you said "BUTTerface"

[sbp]

face: 5 {at times she looks mean}
body: 6
freckles bonus: +1

Bet she be funner to hang out with than Cameron "Ditz" Diaz.

[cheapchinese]

5 tops.....
there's alot more chinese actress way hotter than her. Try vivian hsu.

[revil]

Originally posted by cheapchinese
5 tops.....
there's alot more chinese actress way hotter than her. Try vivian hsu. All the pics i've seen vivian hsu made her look like a child. i don't really go for that sort of things... mostly.

[GraingerGuy]

She looks more exotic than hot imo.

I would give her a 6.5

[le_stick]

I will give her a 4.

[PrObLy]

a 6....asians just aren't my thing

[Freelance Superhero]

6-6.5

don't find her face all that attractive, and tho she seems like she's in good shape, she's just not curvy enough for my taste. :shrug:

personally, i think she's overrated, and i too would take kelly hu over her any day of the week.

[cheapchinese]

Originally posted by revil
All the pics i've seen vivian hsu made her look like a child. i don't really go for that sort of things... mostly.

:eek: alrite fine .. go for athena chu
:heh:
or christy chung (she was the girl in Medalion, jacky's new movie)

[Ladogaboy]

I'd say 6 or so. Not the hottest cookie in the oven.

[mixer107]

I give her an 8. So PCC, what's the debate about?

[DaFunkyUnit]

we need visual aid here:

http://www.maximonline.com/girls/lucy_liu/gm_l1.jpg







ok, carry on.

[spigidygak]

I give her a 7, I give lisa ling however a 9 she's much hotter than lucy imo. . . hell she alone made me actually want to watch the view when she was on the show wait. . . I didn't say that. I do NOT watch the view nor have I ever.

[speedracer120]

Somewhere between 6-8 depending on her outfit and other circumstances.

Sidenote: Hey spigs, I know your sig is your logo, but is that supposed to resemble a StarTrek communicator or something?

[Freelance Superhero]

Originally posted by spigidygak
I give lisa ling however a 9 she's much hotter than lucy imo. . .whoa whoa whoa... are you serious?? spig, you're asian right? you're the first asian guy i've heard who didn't think lisa ling looked like a horse. personally, she utterly turns me off; i think she's pretty janky... just goes to show beauty is in the eye of the beholder, i guess...

[TofuNinja]

Hey I'd take LIsa LIng over Lucy Liu too. Lisa LIng can be that ho with teh Rice Boy... Lucy Liu... YUCK!!

[raimin]

Originally posted by Freelance Superhero
whoa whoa whoa... are you serious?? spig, you're asian right? you're the first asian guy i've heard who didn't think lisa ling looked like a horse. personally, she utterly turns me off; i think she's pretty janky... just goes to show beauty is in the eye of the beholder, i guess...

:stupid: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/tv/explorer/images/ult_explorer_top.jpg

[speedracer120]

Lisa can be PHAT on her good days, but yeah, most times she does have that horse look going.

[bachviet]

She is average for an Asian so I give her a 5.

[PCC]

Originally posted by mixer107
I give her an 8. So PCC, what's the debate about? For all I know, you could be my co-worker!

Basically, I was trying to tell him that to an average asian male, Lucy Liu is average looking. My brother and cousin both say that her face is below average and I have to agree. She does absolutely nothing for me. Like others have said, there are a lot of asian women out there who are much more attractive and some of them can even act. We don't understand why Hollywood has promoted her as much as they have. Oh, well. That's Hollywood!

So, my ratings for her are:
Face: 4
Body: 6
Overall package: 5

An interesting thing that I have discovered recently. Being Chinese, I tend to look at the face, first, then the body. My co-worker, being Latin-American, looks at the body, first, then the face.

[TofuNinja]

Originally posted by PCC


An interesting thing that I have discovered recently. Being Chinese, I tend to look at the face, first, then the body. My co-worker, being Latin-American, looks at the body, first, then the face.
:stupid: I'm Chinese and do that too. But my friend, also chinese looks at the boobies first, than the butt, than the legs, back to the boobies, stares for awhile, then hits the face.

[brainsmile]

Lisa Ling??? man I grew up with her and she ain't no 9

[TofuNinja]

well neither is Lucy Liu

[kei2]

i was going to say 6.5 or 7, comparing to other celebs and what not, but remembering the guidlines... "On a scale from 1-10 (1 being, "She fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down," and 10 being drop-dead-gorgeous)"... that means we're comparing to everyday people too. because seriously, there just aren't ugly-tree score-1-out-of-10 media figures. i'll go with 8.

[yippiekiyeh]

Originally posted by nickelback
7

might even say she is a slight butterface :eek:

I'm with .05$ back. I can't stand the <insert the slander rhymes with dinky> eyes thing, or "Phoenix eyes" as my esteemed collegue says it is.

[RoniMan]

Originally posted by cheapchinese


or christy chung (she was the girl in Medalion, jacky's new movie)
:stupid:

i think lisa ling is NOT cute
i prefer cecilia cheung
http://www.lemonizer.com/upload/uploadsOct/zhangbaizhi083.jpg

or zhang ziyi
http://www.lemonizer.com/upload/uploadsOct/zhangziyi041.jpg

[cheapchinese]

you could find better pictures of cecilia cheung....man
she's so god damn cute in movies.. i just wanna....
for another star that i think has a pretty good looking face would be sammi cheng.. dunno why.. she just gives off terrrific vibes on certain pictures.. and i also love her movies.
zhang ziyi....its kinda weird with her.. sometimes.. i think she's hot, sometimes.. just avg

check out: aileen tung

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by RoniMan
or zhang ziyi
http://www.lemonizer.com/upload/uploadsOct/zhangziyi041.jpg

:stupid: :stupid: :stupid:

[Freelance Superhero]

Originally posted by RoniMan
or zhang ziyi
http://www.lemonizer.com/upload/uploadsOct/zhangziyi041.jpg ooh, nice watch. :P

[RoniMan]

Originally posted by cheapchinese
you could find better pictures of cecilia cheung....man
she's so god damn cute in movies.. i just wanna....
for another star that i think has a pretty good looking face would be sammi cheng.. dunno why.. she just gives off terrrific vibes on certain pictures.. and i also love her movies.
zhang ziyi....its kinda weird with her.. sometimes.. i think she's hot, sometimes.. just avg

check out: aileen tung

ok..fine... here (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=583051#post583051) you go.:D

can't find aileen tung yet. or i want good pix of kelly lin.

[ray]

Why are we arguing this. Kristen Kreuk and Zhang Ziyi. =D

[Merlin]

Your opinion of Lucy Liu...
I think Uma Thurman is hotter. :hihi:

[bachviet]

How about Michelle Reis (Miss HK 1988):

http://pages.prodigy.net/ultraman/images/michelle/michen8.jpg

[kei2]

Originally posted by Merlin
I think Uma Thurman is hotter. :hihi:
somebody needs to go check out the uma-thurman-is-not-hot thread. http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66807

[ArkiStan]

ATTENTION: This post contains mild stereotyping. May not be suitable for the politically correct. Also, the values of beauty stated hereon are based solely on physical features. No consideration was given whatsoever to characteristics such as personality, air, disposition, etc. So if you say, "Dude! But she seems like the cool girl-next-door," you are totally missing my point. Reader discretion advised

I can somewhat imagine what the discussion was about that the starter of this thread had with his co-workers. This is a typical example of the differing ideals of beauty that Asian and non-Asian people tend to have. Trying to be as unbiased as I can for just one moment, if this poll were held in a native Japan, Korea or (most of) China, I can confidently swear on all my Asian ancestors' graves that Lucy Liu would have scored an average of around 3 or 4, maybe even less. If Lucy Liu were walking down a street in Asia I think very few people would give her a second look.

I hate to stereotype, but even with all personal preferences of attractiveness set aside, one can definitely say Lucy Liu has EXTREMELY Asian facial/physical features. I'm not gonna get into what those are sice that's a whole different can of worms, but I think those traits tend to score higher for the non-Asian demography. How many of you can deny the high tendency of the non-Asian population having, in one way or another, some sort of "fantasy" towards the exotic land that is the "orient?" It's only natural that people seek something different from what they get everyday. And for many people this "uniqueness" seems to be just enough. That's where comments such as, "Lucy Liu is so pretty!" come from. (How am I doing with the impartiality?)

Of course I can't pin down one trait that is more popular than others among native Asians, but for a great majority of Asians, "Asian-ness" is way down there in their list of priorities, which is only natural, since they tend to see Asian-ness ALL FREAKIN' DAY! So that's where I think the dichotomy begins.

Lucy Liu is butt-ugly, no doubt. Don't get mad. That's just my opinion (with an undeniable amount of truth mixed in, of course). But that isn't my point here. I'm just trying to give an example of the different preferences and ideals of beauty that various demographic groups tend to have.

Other than the sporadic spurts of animosity towards the idea that Lucy Liu is attarctive, I think I did a pretty good job of maintaining an objective standpoint here.

BTW, did I mention that Lucy Liu is ugly? :dodgy:

[RoniMan]

Originally posted by ArkiStan
[COLOR=red][B]*snipped*

wow!....a simple no would have sufficed...:P

[kei2]

Originally posted by ArkiStan
(too long of a quote for my taste)
Let's see. Regarding non-Asian males finding Asian females attractive... I think it goes back to the Vietnam and Korean Wars. The whole thing about bringing back an Asian wife, that kind of thing. Also, the media of decades past portrayed Asian females in solely stereotypical roles: the geisha/lotus blossom, and the castrating dragon lady. The whole idea of a white male with an Asian female is even present in today's media, only more implicitly. In the news world, there's plenty of Asian anchorwomen paired up with white anchormen... but you'll never see an Asian anchorman paired up with a white anchorwoman. For that matter, you'd be hard-pressed to see an Asian anchorman period.

However, there are lots of Asian males that appreciate good-looking Asian females. It's not just non-Asian males. Maybe Lucy Liu isn't exactly my cup of tea, but I find Yuko Ogura and Reiko Azechi very attractive. Yup. And I'm Asian. And guess what: they are too. Go fig.

The "butt-ugly" comment was a little over the top, don't you think? I bet very few people are less attractive than the average posterior. Especially here in America, where obesity is commonplace, the average rear end is probably pretty hideous. Your point still would have come across with "ugly", and it wouldn't have dented your credibility with exaggeration.

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by ArkiStan
Asian man's rant. :P

I do, to some extent, agree with you, but I wouldn't go so far as to say Lucy Liu is butt ugly. I will agree that she does nothing for me... she is nothing special. I would consider her as average, along with Lisa Ling, and, as kei2 was saying, this is because there are so many truly unattractive women out there. If Lucy and Lisa were as ugly as women could be, I think most guys would be pretty happy. And all of this is coming from a non-asian male's perspective.

I, on the whole, am fairly self-reflective, and I've been trying to figure out how/why I tick in regards to women for a while now. What I've found is that I tend to favor asian women over others. Originally, I thought it might be some sort of a fetish, but after looking at it for a while, I realized that it is not. It is actually just an accumulation of baggage from previous encounters and past experiences.

To start off with, I do have a slight oedipal complex in the sense that all the women I find most attractive share features with my mother. The half-moon face (or whatever that is called), a button-type nose, and a petite body.... Basically, a doll face and body. Anyway, those are just the physical traits, and you'll have to admit, they are more prevalent asian women.

The second thing is personality. For the most part, in my experience, asian women tend to have the fewest issues with themselves (physically, culturally, etc.). Almost all the white women (American white women, anyway) that I've met have those issues in abundance, with the exception of Christian women. Of course, that opens up a whole 'nother set of issues that I can not/will not deal with.

The third thing is exposure. Most of my friends tend to be asian, so most of the women I know tend to be asian. That, combined with the fact that I usually like to build some sort of friendship with a woman before I pursue her romantically, means that most of the women I pursue end up being asian. :shrug:

None of this is to say that I would never consider pursuing a non-asian woman. I have, and I will continue to do so. The problem is, I can count on one hand the non-asian women I know that I find attractive both physically and in personality. There might be more than that, but I am only counting the women I've known/met in the last 6 months.

As far as pure eye candy goes, however, it's pretty much fair game. And, to some how tie this back to the original thread, even I--a non-asian male who tends to prefer asian women--consider Lucy to be only slightly over average, and that is mostly due to her body.

So, if you want to sum up what I've said, if I were in a club and a hot asian woman was eyeing me from one side and a hot white woman was eyeing me from the other side... I'd propose a threesome! :hihi:

[revil]

Personally i think the non-asian asian thing is much simpler than everyone is making it out to be. asians and non-asians have a different set of standards that they like their women to be. non-asians apply it to asians and they fall in to the good catagory. so on and so forth.

in adition to that, asian culture has become more popular recently, so probably curiosity adds to it.

[kei2]

Originally posted by Ladogaboy
So, if you want to sum up what I've said, if I were in a club and a hot asian woman was eyeing me from one side and a hot white woman was eyeing me from the other side... I'd propose a threesome! :hihi:
:heh: Read the whole thing but that was a nice way to tie things back together. :D

[TofuNinja]

Originally posted by ArkiStan
Lucy Liu is butt-ugly, no doubt.


:stupid::lmfao:

AMEN AZN BROTHER!!! AMEN!!!! He speaks the truth

[Windsor]

If...Lucy Liu is butt ugly, then what the heck is Lisa Ling?

[Freelance Superhero]

Originally posted by Windsor
If...Lucy Liu is butt ugly, then what the heck is Lisa Ling? butt-ass ugly

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by Freelance Superhero
butt-ass ugly

:hmm: The more I think about it, the more I think that you guys might be right. You see, I think my reasoning is flawed: I'm assuming that there is a bottom to the ladder. :2far:

[PCC]

I wouldn't go so far as to call Lucy Liu "butt ugly". As I previously stated, I find her face to be just below average as far as Asian women's appearances goes.

I have been to Asia and have seen butt-ass ugly women and Lucy Liu isn't anywhere close to that. I'm talking about women that look so bad that you almost want to throw up when you see them (to paraphrase Matt Damon in Goodwill Hunting, "she fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way").

ArkiStan was pretty much right: I started this thread to try to show that the Western ideal for Asian beauty and Asian ideal for same were different. There are a few exceptions but that depends on what you have seen in your life. Thinking back to when I was in middle-school, I used to think this one girl was hot. I saw her recently and can't believe how average she looks (and thinking back, I realise that she was average looking back then, too). Back then, I wasn't exposed to the media blitz or marketing that we have today and my limited experience told me that she was beautiful. Had I the same amount of experience today that I had back then I would probably give Lucy Liu a higher score, but, how can you compare her to Kelly Hu, Michelle Reis, or some of the other beautiful women listed here?

[DaFunkyUnit]

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."


'nuff said.

[Estee]

she looked pretty hot in kill bill... those freckels.. they turn me on:P

[attgig]

<insert quote of arki here>

I agree..in terms of people seeking the exotic taste.

white guys get turned on by *****y eyes... (there i said it arki).

and as for couples.... yeah...you see the asian girl with white guy...but never the other way around.

kinda sucks.


and as for asian newsanchors... Mike Kim on ESPNews. :P

that's the only one i know of.

[xsiled2]

i dont know if any one has said this yet, but her eyes are seriously messed up, in kill bill one is looking straight and the other is looking up somewhere...

[Skeptical]

havn't seen Kill Bill so no comment on that. Lucy Liu is pretty much a decent looking Asian Woman. I wouldn't call butt ugly cause she's not.

[bachviet]

Originally posted by attgig
...and as for couples.... yeah...you see the asian girl with white guy...but never the other way around.

kinda sucks.
...
Saw a Vietnamese guy with a blonde girl when I attended the marriage class (requirement for Catholics if want to marry in church).

[revil]

Originally posted by attgig
white guys get turned on by *****y eyes...
That's a load of crap.

[xsiled2]

Originally posted by revil

That's a load of crap.

rofl

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by attgig
and as for couples.... yeah...you see the asian girl with white guy...but never the other way around.

kinda sucks.


To be perfectly blunt, that has a lot more to do with asian guys than it does with white women, or anyone else for that matter. One, due to family pressures, asian guys feel the need to date/marry asian women. Two, 90% of my guy friends who are asian refuse to date white women as a matter of personal preference. The other 10% have dated white women in the past, so.... :shrug:

[kei2]

Originally posted by attgig
and as for asian newsanchors... Mike Kim on ESPNews. :P
that's the only one i know of.

Originally posted by bachviet
Saw a Vietnamese guy with a blonde girl when I attended the marriage class (requirement for Catholics if want to marry in church).
The exception makes the rule. Otherwise it wouldn't be an exception, now would it?

Originally posted by Ladogaboy
To be perfectly blunt, that has a lot more to do with asian guys than it does with white women, or anyone else for that matter. One, due to family pressures, asian guys feel the need to date/marry asian women. Two, 90% of my guy friends who are asian refuse to date white women as a matter of personal preference. The other 10% have dated white women in the past, so....
Asian girls have Asian families and Asian parents too, so that's no more a reason for Asian guys to date Asian girls than it is for Asian girls to date Asian guys.

I'm telling you, one of the main reasons behind it is the media of years past. When Asian males were being brought to the U.S. for cheap labor, they were not allowed to bring their wives or girlfriends or anything like that. Subsequently, the American media put out all sorts of propaganda like the Fu Manchu bull**** to portray Asian males as basically asexual. That or as a sexual threat to white women. That is the reason there still aren't Asian male news anchors. Because they'd be paired up with white women and the media thinks American society isn't ready for that. In contrast, during the wars/conflicts in Vietnam and Korea, Asian females were portrayed as exotic and hypersexual. The whole geisha/lotus blossom or the contrasting castrating dragon lady stereotypes are the results of that. There's the whole idea of white men going to war and bringing back Asian brides too. Basically, American society has been f***ed up in the past, and it's still not where it should be.

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by kei2
Asian girls have Asian families and Asian parents too, so that's no more a reason for Asian guys to date Asian girls than it is for Asian girls to date Asian guys.

Not necessarily. The asian women I know are more likely to ignore or go against their families' values than the asian guys I know. I think this is mainly because of the roles they are expected to fill according to those values. Most of the asian women I know don't want to be house wives and homemakers, but if they were to follow their families' wishes, that is exactly what they would be. If they go against their parents' wishes in one case, why not the next? In addition to that, I know quite a few asian women that refuse to date asian men because they were either abused as children by asian men or are worried that by entering a relationship with an asian man they will become locked in a submissive role.


Originally posted by kei2
I'm telling you, one of the main reasons behind it is the media of years past. When Asian males were being brought to the U.S. for cheap labor, they were not allowed to bring their wives or girlfriends or anything like that. Subsequently, the American media put out all sorts of propaganda like the Fu Manchu bull**** to portray Asian males as basically asexual. That or as a sexual threat to white women. That is the reason there still aren't Asian male news anchors. Because they'd be paired up with white women and the media thinks American society isn't ready for that. In contrast, during the wars/conflicts in Vietnam and Korea, Asian females were portrayed as exotic and hypersexual. The whole geisha/lotus blossom or the contrasting castrating dragon lady stereotypes are the results of that. There's the whole idea of white men going to war and bringing back Asian brides too. Basically, American society has been f***ed up in the past, and it's still not where it should be.

I also disagree with this for the most part. First of all, asian males were not "brought" to the U.S.--they came willingly. The reason they didn't bring women with them was because they never came to the U.S. with the intention of staying. They were here to make money, and then return home to their families as rich men. Then, when racist laws were instituted to prevent more asian people from immigrating, they decided to stay in hopes of making the most out of their time here.

As for the rest of your commentary, of course the media places sexual stereotypes on asian males. There are almost no groups that the media doesn't place sexual stereotypes on.

And in regards to the "white men going to war and bringing back Asian brides": that wasn't an idea, that was a fact... it was just something that happened. And if you want to look at the Vietnam war as an example, quite a few of the U.S. soldiers refused to enter relationships with asian women. They tended, mostly, just to frequent the brothels and prostitution houses. That is why there were/are so many amerasian orphans in Vietnam. The soldiers rarely got involved in real relationships, and they almost never intended on bring a wife home with them. My father, who fought in Vietnam--and this goes for most of his veteran friends as well--, always tell me stories about how hard it was to go without "round-eyes" for so long. They never considered the women there to be more than a sexual excursion. And of all the Vietnam veterans I know, NONE of them have an asian wife. :shrug:

[kei2]

Originally posted by Ladogaboy
And in regards to the "white men going to war and bringing back Asian brides": that wasn't an idea, that was a fact... it was just something that happened. And if you want to look at the Vietnam war as an example, quite a few of the U.S. soldiers refused to enter relationships with asian women. They tended, mostly, just to frequent the brothels and prostitution houses. That is why there were/are so many amerasian orphans in Vietnam. The soldiers rarely got involved in real relationships, and they almost never intended on bring a wife home with them. My father, who fought in Vietnam--and this goes for most of his veteran friends as well--, always tell me stories about how hard it was to go without "round-eyes" for so long. They never considered the women there to be more than a sexual excursion. And of all the Vietnam veterans I know, NONE of them have an asian wife. :shrug: Still supports my point, the wars contributed to the ideology of Asian women as sex objects to white men. The point's not whether they got married or not. It still contributes to society's opinions of what is attractive (both aesthetically and sexually) and what is not.
There are almost no groups that the media doesn't place sexual stereotypes on.That doesn't make it right to stereotype groups though. When people start to accept the injustices of society simply because they are commonplace, it's not a good thing. And you're right there are ALMOST no groups that the media doesn't place sexual stereotypes on... but as the predominant group, whites suffer the least discrimination EASILY. It's no surprise to me that my non-Asian friends didn't appreciate Better Luck Tomorrow for what it was (the first Asian-American-produced, Asian-American-starring, Asian-American-written, Asian-American-directed movie that didn't have them in stereotypical model minority or kung fu roles). They haven't walked a mile in my shoes, seen the world through my eyes. That said, I've had it pretty easy. I shudder to think of the racism and persecution some people in more adverse situations suffer.

[revil]

you people are wack. babies come from storks. there's no need for relationships!

[kei2]

Originally posted by revil
you people are wack. babies come from storks. there's no need for relationships!
wiggidy-wack?

[attgig]

yes there are asian males with white girls in society...there's a couple at my church like that.

however....how many have you seen on mainstream media? the media dictates what is socially acceptable....yes... it's a fact of life.... the media dictates what is socially acceptable.

you don't see an asian man hooking up with white women (or any women for that matter)

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by attgig
however....how many have you seen on mainstream media?

Not sure. I don't pay much attention to mainstream media anymore. :shrug:

[DaFunkyUnit]

I will agree that the White-Male + Asian-Female couple is all over the media. Actually, I'll go even further and say that its pretty much Non-Asian-Male + Asian-Female thats all over the media.

from music (theres one Nsync video where one of their "girlfriends" was an asian chick; another example is songs by the rapper Nelly, who seems to have an Asian fetish....) to the news (i.e. Connie Chung, and similar anchorwomen) to commercials (the AT&T wireless commercial where the BF textmessages his asian GF apologies).

my point is, if you're an Asian female, you soooo got it made.

[kei2]

Originally posted by DaFunkyUnit
my point is, if you're an Asian female, you soooo got it made. Yeah except for the model minority stereotype and the geisha/lotus blossom stereotype and the dragon lady stereotype and the whole thing about making less money than males doing the same jobs and the other bs they have to put up with. Got it made.

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by kei2
Yeah except for the model minority stereotype and the geisha/lotus blossom stereotype and the dragon lady stereotype and the whole thing about making less money than males doing the same jobs and the other bs they have to put up with. Got it made.

*sigh* You don't happen to go to/have gone too a liberal college, have you? Not EVERYTHING they feed you there is true or accurate. And, sadly enough, some of the topics that are discussed there are only perpetuated by the very discussion, or, better yet ( :rolleyes: incase you missed the sarcasm), used as an excuse by people. A lot of people are weak, and they only need an excuse. Hell, you can give many people in this world an excuse to die, and they'll keel over right there.

We all have to live with our stereotypes--even I, a white male, do--, but we all have the choice as whether or not we let them define our lives. Asian women are only vicims of those stereotypes if they let themselves be, and for the most part, the asian women I know don't.

As for the last part, that isn't a stereotype: it's just a sad fact. The thing is, though, that that applies to ALL women, not just asian women.

[DaFunkyUnit]

let me elaborate:

nowadays, Asian women have a bit more freedom and they are not looked upon as the (stereo)typical housewife/mother from overseas or whatever. You're seeing more and more Asian women in more diverse fields (medical & technology [of course :P], entertainment, art, etc...). That is why I said that they "have it made." They are not as... "socially oppressed" as they once were (oh, say 10 years ago?). Today, Asian women can pretty much do/be anything they want w/o fear of being looked down upon. [But then again, you can say that for women as a whole, but I'm not going to get into that]

Now on the other hand, Asian males don't have the presence that the Asian female counterparts do. If someone meets an Asian male on the street, they'll tend to think he's either a) One of those nerdy, passive, FOB types or b) One of those rice-rocket driving, 'gangsta' types. 2 extreme ends of the spectrum, with little, if anything, in between. But Asian males ARE becoming more and more "visisble" in society, albeit more slowly than Asian females.

my $0.02, MHO.

[kei2]

Originally posted by Ladogaboy
*sigh* You don't happen to go to/have gone too a liberal college, have you? We all have to live with our stereotypes--even I, a white male, do--...Nope, UCSD here. Didn't get into Berkeley thank you very much. (Not that I wanted to go there because of their ultra-liberal thinking or anything, it's just a reputable school for computer science and electrical engineering.) As for you having to live with your stereotypes as a white male... sorry. That was only half-sarcastic, because there are some social elements working against you, but you are still a member of the most privileged group. If you don't believe me look at the people running the country. For the most part it's white Anglo-Saxon Protestant males. The whole idea of race/ethnicity is pretty stupid, because it's a socially constructed idea with no biological basis. That's not to say varying cultures are not to be valued, however.