Helped Save Lives tonite...SORTA.......Girl Flips Car

[CamaroBabe]

mood: weird
Tonite was crazy:

I went to Keith's house after work so that we could go out and buy some frogs for his fish tank...while leaving the Century III Wal-Mart, we ended up stuck @ this red light. While sitting @ the light Keith says to me "Hey, is that a flipped car over there?" and points across the street. I make out what looks to be an overturned silver car. We both start freaking out. We are seeing many cars drive right past, but 2 have stopped to see what was going on. Keith drives right thru our red light, and we get out of the car and cross the street.

Sure enough we find a flipped over Toyota Celica (a newer model).....a random girl in a red sweater staggering around holding a white towel to her head, and hear the screams/cries of another girl who is lying on the ground next to the car. A few people have stopped by this time to see what was going on. Keith and some other guys were securing the girl who was lying on the ground, making sure she didn't move. She was bleading from her head and complained her hip, knee, and foot hurt. Meanwhile I sat with the girl in the red sweater while she tried to call her parents. An older lady (mid 40's) came over and sat with us. She told us that she was driving towards the Wal-Mart when she tried to stop @ the light and realized that she had no brakes. So she freaked out and swerved to the side of the road UP this hillside which caused the car to flip and then slide about 25 feet on the roof. She said the same "brake problem" had happenned a few days earlier. Then Keith wandered over to us as the girl began to call her boyfriend (It was HIS car she was driving) The first thing she says is "Dave, I wrecked your car" and then she starts freakishly crying.... Keith then took the phone off her and called him back (I guess he had hung up) Keith was like "My name's Keith, your girlfriend was in a serious accident." the kid: "IN MY ****ING CAR!!!!!!" Keith: "Yes, her and her friend are going to the hospital" the kid: "IN MY ****ING CAR" then the kid hangs up....

By this time the cops FINALLY got there and came over to the girl to ask her a few questions. She wasn't wearing her seatbelt...

Then the ambulances show up. Keith and I see that there is nothing more we really could do so we get in the truck and leave. As we're leaving the cop directing traffic says "Thanks for stopping & helping guys."

CRAZYYYYYYYYYYYYY night......

makes you appreciate life.
but, at the same token wish they raised the driving age to 18.

[ShawnLee]

IN HIS ****ING CAR!

[ShawnLee]

What a loser. Can't even ask if everyone was alright?

[TofuNinja]

Way to go. Godo deeds rule. But man her BF is a ****ING LOSER sheesh

[RoniMan]

good to know there's still decent people in the world...:thumbup:

[brainsmile]

way to go guys... go get yourself something expensive

[ShawnLee]

I remember one time when my brother and I were on the freeway, this Montero flipped over a few times and was two cars in front of us. The losers in front just sat there stunned (or pissed that traffic stopped?) then drove off. We got out, and the lady was sort of in shock, but she was alright. This was when I was still in the Army, and she was a soldier too, it was weird seeing her dry-cleaned uniforms in the back with all that glass sprayed across them.

[appleseed]

Originally posted by TofuNinja
Way to go. Godo deeds rule. But man her BF is a ****ING LOSER sheesh maybe i'm overreacting, but i woulda stuck around just to beat that kid's ass.

if something happened to my girl or my family, i could only hope somoeone was around to help. bravo to you, camaro

[hapoo]

Good job camaro! Once i was going down the freeway, this was like 20 min after i broke my clavicle a couple months ago, and on the other side of the freeway i see a big cloud of dust and a car flipping in the air. Had it not been for my shoulder i would have stopped but my friend just called the cops, and literally 2 minutes later they're screaming down the highway with an ambulance.

BTW when the brakes fail, does that include the hand/parking break? Luckly i drive a stick so i always have the option of downshifting.

[ShawnLee]

Originally posted by hapoo

BTW when the brakes fail, does that include the hand/parking break? Luckly i drive a stick so i always have the option of downshifting.

That reminds me. Is it bad for the car to use the parking brake to slow down? I know it's a stupid question but I've used it on more than one occasion to slow down when I was in front of a cop, but didn't want him to know that I was braking and still going 70+ MPH.

[hapoo]

I think it would be bad in that it locks your wheels up. If your on any slick surface, or if you just don't have good traction your going to go for a nice slide. Of course that depends on how hard you pull on it. I think pretty much all the car stunts you see on tv and in the movies involves the parking brake.

[bachviet]

I hope she dumps her idiotic BF. Anyway you shouldn't use your E-brake to slow your car because your car will spin.

[coleslaw]

So the brakes failed on her earlier and nothing was done about it? Pretty idiotic to me.

[ShawnLee]

I knew about the spin part, I mean, I kept good control of the steering wheel and applied pretty slowly, but I wasn't sure if it damaged my car (which would explain many things). I've only done this a few times: on the 91 coming back from school, on Springdale in HB when I was in high school, and on the 22.

But yeah, the boyfriend should've fixed the car and be glad his girlfriend wasn't suing his idiotic self.

[Kim]

Yay CB! I think it's awesome that you were able to help. WTG!

[topane]

Originally posted by appleseed
maybe i'm overreacting, but i woulda stuck around just to beat that kid's ass.:stupid:

Good job helping out. Many people just ignore things like that.

[cheapie]

Originally posted by CamaroBabe
...at the same token wish they raised the driving age to 18.


wish the would make it against the law to drive w/o your seatbelt also. lol.


so her boyfriend lets her drive a car with bad brakes, and then gets ticked when she wrecks?

[Merlin]

The first thing she says is "Dave, I wrecked your car"

And the moral of the story is...Don't let your girlfriend borrow your car. :bandit:

- OR -

Giving the girlfriend a car with bad breaks is not always a 100% effective way to end the relationship. :dead:

[gear02]

If I ever have a son who owns a car and has a girlfriend and she gets into an accident with his car and the first thing he says is "MY F**KING CAR" I swear with you guys as my witness that I'll kill the SOB. That kind of person doesn't deserve to live.

Ok maybe not kill, but I would definately have fun with a baseball bat.

Btw good job CamaroBabe :)

[ray]

that boyfriend is going to hell...IN HIS FU#$%@NG CAR!

[Jihforce]

Originally posted by gear02
If I ever have a son who owns a car and has a girlfriend and she gets into an accident with his car and the first thing he says is "MY F**KING CAR" I swear with you guys as my witness that I'll kill the SOB. That kind of person doesn't deserve to live.

Ok maybe not kill, but I would definately have fun with a baseball bat.

Btw good job CamaroBabe :)

So you would kill your kid huh? That's nice.

I'd just lock him up in a dungeon throw away the key. :heh:

BTW CB, lots of kudos to you and your friend Keith for being so awesome as to help out people in need. Lots of good karma going your way. :)

[johnnymk]

Originally posted by ShawnLee105


That reminds me. Is it bad for the car to use the parking brake to slow down? I know it's a stupid question but I've used it on more than one occasion to slow down when I was in front of a cop, but didn't want him to know that I was braking and still going 70+ MPH.

I doubt it. It just mechanically forces the shoes against the drums instead of hydraulically.

If you're doing it often, I would check to see that it works by parking on a rather steep hill to see if anything has gone out of adjustment.

Why didn't anybody else stop for that girl? Did everyone else assume that someone else had already called the cops? Or didn't they care?

[brainsmile]

as a reward CB you get a date with Yoss.

[ufcrusher]

Unfortunately there are lots of liability issues that come up with aiding someone in distress. Some states have adopted "good samaritan" laws which protect people who come to the aid of injured individuals. For a long time Drs would not stop because of the fact that they could have been sued by the injured person.

What if comes down to is simply if you try to aid someone and inadvertanly injure them more, then you have caused more injury and would be secondarily liable. Hence you can get sued.

[RoniMan]

What's weird about the "good sumaritan" law is that if you start helping someone, then you must continue to do so until the ambulance/firetruck/police arrives. you can't start, then decide that you can't do it, and stop.

[cheapie]

you guys are partly correct. i am in the national ski patrol and am greatly affected by this law.

according to most interpretations of the law (most states have their own version), once you start rendering aid you must continue until either relieved or you are unable to continue because of fatigue, danger, etc.

also, you cannot be sued unless you are grossly negligent. i.e. twisting someones head all the way around, cleaning the wound with sandpaper and gasoline, etc.

if you simply offer assistance and screw up, it is unlikely you can be sued.

[le_stick]

Originally posted by ufcrusher
Unfortunately there are lots of liability issues that come up with aiding someone in distress. Some states have adopted "good samaritan" laws which protect people who come to the aid of injured individuals. For a long time Drs would not stop because of the fact that they could have been sued by the injured person.

What if comes down to is simply if you try to aid someone and inadvertanly injure them more, then you have caused more injury and would be secondarily liable. Hence you can get sued.

I'm with this person. I will not physically help them, but I will call the police and wait there until they come....That's just me I guess....

[CamaroBabe]

I just came home today after 5pm and saw the story on the news....the girls are okay. The car is total....no word yet if anyone beat the boyfriend's a$$ tho.

Everyone who talked about protecting oneself so as not to get sued.....we didn't really encounter that here b/c the one girl was up and walking around (she must have crawled out) and the other was lying on the ground. The only thing that the couple of guys who were with her did was make sure that she did not move! SHE KEPT WANTING TO ASNWER HER RINGING CELL PHONE!!!!!!! wtf

nonethelss.....an experience I will never forget.

[appleseed]

good to hear everyone made it...well, except for the bf :disa:

i wonder if CB would help out a fellow Got|Apex'er if he needed some mouth to mouth :naughty:

[PCC]

Originally posted by ShawnLee105
Is it bad for the car to use the parking brake to slow down? I know it's a stupid question but I've used it on more than one occasion to slow down when I was in front of a cop, but didn't want him to know that I was braking and still going 70+ MPH. Depends on the car but for the most part, no. If you have one of those cars where the parking brake acts on a miniature drum brake inside the hub of the rear disk brake then I would not do it because that type of brake is designed to hold the car from moving, not slow it down. If it has a mechanism that squeezes the rear brake pads on rear disk brakes or moves the brake shoes on rear drum brakes then it is not a problem.

BTW. CB, way to go!

[ufcrusher]

Originally posted by cheapie
you guys are partly correct. i am in the national ski patrol and am greatly affected by this law.

according to most interpretations of the law (most states have their own version), once you start rendering aid you must continue until either relieved or you are unable to continue because of fatigue, danger, etc.

also, you cannot be sued unless you are grossly negligent. i.e. twisting someones head all the way around, cleaning the wound with sandpaper and gasoline, etc.

if you simply offer assistance and screw up, it is unlikely you can be sued.

Well its all going to depend on the state law. For example, if someone is drowning and you swim half way out to rescue them and suddenly remember that you have a hot date who looks better than the drownging man and head back in, you CAN NOT be sued. If you notice that someone is dangling from a pole and his ladder has fallen to the ground...you have no liability to pick up the ladder to help them. The problem results from when you endeavour to give aid and cause more harm than would have resulted had you not given aid.

It all comes down to whether you owe a duty to that person. If its someone you dont know, you obviously owe them no duty to render aid. UNLESS, you caused the dangerous situation. (I.E. - didnt see that there was a guy on the ladder and moved it so that the winds wouldnt knock it down into the street)

Lets say that you are a member of the national ski patrol but off duty, yet you see someone in need of assistance on your mountain. You look at your watch and decide that you have to get home because your girl is waiting for you in just her ski boots, plus one of the guys on the patrol who is on duty will quickly get there. Unfortunately for you....you WOULD have a duty to render aid, and if you failed to do so, you could find yourself on the wrong side of a lawsuit.

There are other relationships that would require that you render aid.

As for your claim that it has to be gross negligence...its all going to depend on the state and the nature of the situation. The definition of what constitutes gross negligence can be easily manipulated by attorneys and interpretations of both statutes and existing case law.

Moving someone with a possible broken neck without immobolizing it would appear to be gross negligence. However, add into that situation a car fire and that you tried to hold the neck still and suddenly it becomes reasonable.

Plus what is considered negligent for one person maay not be negligent for another. There are different standards for different people. Doctors, Nurses, EMTs, and first responders (firefighters, lifeguards, ski patrol, etc - those who have special training to treat injuries before the EMTs get there) will have a higher standard than Jim Bob from the Bayou.

[cheapie]

Originally posted by appleseed
good to hear everyone made it...well, except for the bf :disa:

i wonder if CB would help out a fellow Got|Apex'er if he needed some mouth to mouth :naughty:


sure i would. i've done cpr before. the guy ended up dying, but i'm still glad i tried. i'm a certified cpr/aed instructor and would encourage everyone to learn how to do it.

[Nanotech9]

god job CB... glad you stopped.

Personally, i've been on teh receiving end of those good deeds before. I flipped my old biek at 90. Although i was able to sit up and re-gain my bearings and nothing was broken, i still needed some major help, which was provided by several of my friends which came to my rescue. My thanks also go to the fella in a truck who stopped to see if i was OK, and on another occasion (less serious), to a guy in a pickup, and to a couple on a bike who both stopped to help.

In general, people who stop and help are usually appreciated.

[ShawnLee]

Originally posted by cheapie

i've done cpr before. the guy ended up dying, but i'm still glad i tried. i'm a certified cpr/aed instructor and would encourage everyone to learn how to do it.

Thanks for the info on my brakes. Also, thanks to cheapie. That reminded me that my cert needs to be renewed next month. Though I haven't used it once in the few years I've had it, it always feels good to say that I'm CPR certified.

[whitak24]

Originally posted by ufcrusher
You look at your watch and decide that you have to get home because your girl is waiting for you in just her ski boots,
:heh:
my torts prof tries to be funny, but his hypos are never quite that good.

[ufcrusher]

Originally posted by whitak24

:heh:
my torts prof tries to be funny, but his hypos are never quite that good.

Thats probably because he or she hasnt seen another naked person in a LONG time. :hihi: Or it could just be the age difference. The prof is probably in their 50's...right.

[Grubbie]

Originally posted by CamaroBabe

makes you appreciate life.

Ya it does, I remember in highschool, a friend of mine was in a older model truck(early 80's) with her friend(she was a passenger) and they had their seatbelts on. I believe they were on the highway, and a tireblew out and it cause the truck to swear off the road and down and embankment. They tumbled and rolled, the car was CRUSHED. But both walked away with their lives, cause they were wearing their seatbelts. The cops told them, you two are lucky, if you didn't have them on, you wouldn't be standing here right now.

Sometimes little things make all the difference....Should I put my seatbelt on, I am just goign around the block. Ya just around the block till the drunk Tbones you at 45mph and kills you.

[djradam]

from the other page: i think that the old lady had bad breaks, not the car that flipped over.

i hear that back in the day you would have to pump your brakes, so older people still pump their brakes on the newer brake systems -- making them ineffective.



on a side note, yeah, i would try to find the girl and make sure she's alright. i would probably then be an ass and tell her what that guy said. i hope she gets rid of him. then again, maybe she won't have to -- he might dump her for getting hit.

[ShawnLee]

Originally posted by djradam
i hear that back in the day you would have to pump your brakes, so older people still pump their brakes on the newer brake systems -- making them ineffective.


Actually, you're partially right. On ABS systems, the system takes over in case of a hard brake and pumps the brake nearly twenty times per second. If you don't have ABS, which many cars still don't, pumping brakes is the preferred way of slowing down, and maintaining enough traction to do a swerve to avoid hitting something. If it was just one hard brake with no ABS and a swerve, then traction was probably lost so that the car lost control, spun, and was unable to stop.

[welfareloser]

some people don't stop because they don't see it, or don't react quickly enough, or assume that the last 40 ppl driving by have already called 911 on cell phones...

i never stop because i have kids in the car. i can't expose them to danger (rubberneckers could hit my stopped car, the ppl in the accident could have wrecked because they're on drugs, or running from the cops, or otherwise dangerous, etc).

probably very few ppl don't stop because they are truly bungholes who don't give a poop.