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11-03-2003, 12:23 PM
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Californians Owe Homes, Lives to Inmates
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By DON THOMPSON and ALEXANDRIA SAGE, Associated Press Writers

LAKE ARROWHEAD, Calif. - They've dug fire lines and cut trees. They've hustled families to safety and wielded garden hoses in hopes of saving homes.


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They're the unsung heroes in fighting Southern California's wildfires — and they're convicted felons.


"We save million-dollar homes for a dollar an hour," said Ricky Frank, 33, doing a 10-year stretch for theft. "You get to help people. It's better doing this than being locked up."


More than half of the state's 3,800 full-time wildland firefighters are prison inmates earning $1 an hour as they work off sentences for nonviolent crimes such as theft and drug possession. About 2,150 offenders — either minimum security wards of the California Youth Authority or adults sentenced to the California Department of Corrections — have been out battling the flames.


"We wouldn't be half the fire department we are now without them," said Karen Terrill, forestry department spokeswoman. "I could tell you stories that would bring tears to your eyes."


The convicts usually are out of sight — as they were Sunday, laying more than a mile of hose, cutting fire lines and grubbing stubborn pockets of flame with shovels, rakes, pickaxes and hoes.


On the day the fire in San Bernadino County flared into a wind-whipped monster, however, residents there caught a rare glimpse of the prisoners in the unusual role of trying to protect houses.


The inmate crews are neither trained nor equipped for fighting house fires. But a 28-inmate strike team happened to be one of the first to arrive. They grabbed garden hoses and borrowed chain saws from homeowners. Burglars and thieves risked their lives to rescue prized possessions from doomed homes.


"The ceilings and light fixtures were coming down around us. You're wondering if you'll have to go out a window" to escape, said Greg Welch, 34, serving seven years for selling drugs. "It was chaos."


The homeowners didn't know that the firefighters dressed in bright orange were inmates.


One family asked crew members back for dinner — an invitation they had to decline. Another family spotted them leaving a restaurant days later and rushed to thank them.


Another night, "a guy and his wife just drove up and handed us about a hundred hamburgers. That was pretty cool," recalled convicted burglar David Townsend, 34. "They treated us just like another human, which is nice."


The state began using inmates to do roadwork in 1915, and opened its first temporary inmate fire camps during World War II. The program now has 4,100 inmates in 38 conservation camps: 33 operated by the forestry department, five by Los Angeles County. Three of the camps — two state and one county — are for women.


"There's nothing charitable going on here," Terrill said. "These guys get the same training, equipment and do the same work as a regular crew."


When they're not fighting fires for $1 an hour, they're earning as little as $1.40 a day cleaning up parks, rebuilding trails, or making or renovating children's toys. But every day they work, they get two days off their sentence.


"It knocks a year off my time. You can't beat it. It's better than sitting around prison," said Allen Preslar, 53, serving a seven-year drug sentence.


The inmates perform "lousy, backbreaking, very hard work," said John Peck, who manages the Corrections Department's conservation camp program.





Yet, often for the first time in their lives, they're forced to work together as a team, to respect and obey authority, and are rewarded with real, measurable accomplishment.

"We're trying to do something to save taxpayer money, we're trying to do good quality work, we're trying to get these guys to see how good it feels when you're not on the street corner selling drugs," Peck said.

Violent criminals, sex offenders and escape risks aren't eligible. Those selected for the program generally have short sentences remaining, so there's an incentive not to flee or cause trouble, which could earn a longer term or a transfer back behind bars.

Peck and Terrill tell the story of a convict crew that was ready to pull back from a dangerously explosive 1993 fire in Malibu when they spotted a family trapped atop a steep ridge.

"These inmates, making a buck-an-hour, formed a human chain to get these people down the hill," recounts Terrill. Seconds after all were safe, the hillside erupted in flame.

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Associated Press Writer Bernie Wilson contributed to this story from San Diego.

cheapie
11-03-2003, 12:28 PM
that's a very interesting article.

Jeffbx
11-03-2003, 12:37 PM
Wow - now that's the kind of story I like to see. Kudos to the California correctional system for making good use of an inmate's time!

goyo2
11-03-2003, 01:31 PM
I hope that whoever stole all of my electronics goes to prison and has to work his/her a$$ off for $1.40 a day soveling pig stuff...


However,

Something that wasn't mentioned is that although the firefighter only earn $1 an hour, the privately...yes privately owned and operated prison corporations charge the state a regular fee per hour per prisoner. It can be upwards of $30 bucks an hour. Believe it or not, the prison industrial complex is in the top five earning industries in the state. Kinda gives you the warm fuzzies don't it? :eyebrow:

cheapchinese
11-03-2003, 01:43 PM
i've heard that on radio.. last week when the fire was going on....

they only get paid like 3 bucks a day.. for what they are doing..

but the news somehow have said that.. the state have spend millions.. to billions of dollar... for the fire....

where did the money go to???
anyways.. thank you inmates~~~

:D

InfiniteNothing
11-03-2003, 01:43 PM
There are private prisons? Sounds expensive for the tax payer.


So they get paid $1/hr? I thought they were paid in time off their sentence.

Showtime
11-03-2003, 02:06 PM
My friend has some land we were discussing putting a privat prison on it, but this sounds like a much better operation. This is one of the few examples of doing something good with CA convicts.
I wish they would put all prisoners into some kind of work/reward program. Too much free time is a bad thing and doesn't do anything to rehab the convict.

-jel:halo:

zenbooty
11-03-2003, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by InfiniteNothing
There are private prisons? Sounds expensive for the tax payer.


So they get paid $1/hr? I thought they were paid in time off their sentence. Ah, where's renots when you need him. This was one of his personal crusades.

Yes, their is a private prison industry. More disturbing still, many of the financial backing come from, and boardmanships go to, legislators in our Congress! Yes, those with the duty to make our laws are profiting directly by the number of people filling our prisons.

mojo
11-03-2003, 02:34 PM
hmm...fight fires, or fight off an a55 packin'? :hmm:


um...fight fires :P

goyo2
11-03-2003, 02:58 PM
Another thing that is kind of disturbing about prison industry is that it takes jobs from other Americans. Sure, not too many people want to make license plates or fight fires for a living, but perhaps if these jobs weren't available to prisoners they would pay enough for a regular Joe/Jane to be interested. After all, its the middle men who are reaping the rewards here!

InfiniteNothing
11-03-2003, 03:27 PM
Well theoretically, the money that the state "saves" could go towards unemployment?


Re: zen post,
I find the incentive to make more laws disturbing.

zenbooty
11-03-2003, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by InfiniteNothing
Well theoretically, the money that the state "saves" could go towards unemployment?Well, no, because the private prison company charges the state full value for the work being done, then rakes in the profits because they don't have to pay their "employees" jack ****.

Its a public fleecing.

goyo2
11-03-2003, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by zenbooty
Well, no, because the private prison company charges the state full value for the work being done, then rakes in the profits because they don't have to pay their "employees" jack ****.

Its a public fleecing.

:stupid: Thanks, I didn't feel like typing all of that

brainsmile
11-03-2003, 10:02 PM
reminds me of Shawshank