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cruelpupet

11-03-2003, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by brain
I was having a discussion with my friend the other day when we took his girlfriend out for her birthday. I think our party went through 10 bottles of sake and when it came time to pay the bill, the tipping didn't look appropriate to me. He said he doesn't tip on alcohol. He did make somewhat of a point. If we went to eat dinner and ordered a $15 bottle of wine or a $400 bottle, the server isn't doing anything different, but would they deserve an extra $60-100? What's your point of view?

want a tip..tell them to get a job where they dont depend on kindness of others

granted im the schmuck who usually tips a minimum of 20%, but in all reality they are not owed a tip...a tip is a gratuity for excellent service

so the question is, how was his service?

RoniMan

11-03-2003, 11:57 PM

hmm...tough call. i don't drink, so never had this problem. but i'd have to agree with cruelpupet on this one. tip is for EXCELLENT service, not something that you're supposed to do. but i also try to tip around 15-20%, but if service is average, then maybe 10-15%. if really crappy, then $1-5.

Apex

11-04-2003, 12:07 AM

In general, I hear it's standard to tip 20% with alcohol. Of course, it goes up or down from there with the quality of service.

raimin

11-04-2003, 12:48 AM

i generally usually give 17-20%, however everything is depended on service

cheapchinese

11-04-2003, 01:28 AM

it all depends on the service for me...
but i tend to tip around 15%

if i asked that can they wrap my unfinished meal.. and the waitress just brings back the box.. and tell me to do it..
i just leave them with a buck.. i'm not that generous for people that gets lazy now

Freelance Superhero

11-04-2003, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by brain
Well... I'm pretty sure that a restaurant that has a $5 meatloaf will not have a $40 filet. Just like they probably only have 3 kinds of wine... Red, white, and pink. well, my point is that if your friend's argument is solely based upon how the meal is served, then he shouldn't tip any differently for alcohol than he would for food. i'd say, regardless of what you ordered, your tipping criteria should focus on your server's hospitability as a server.

zenbooty

11-04-2003, 05:05 AM

If you guys can afford to blow $400 on sake then you can afford to tip. 20% is proper. 25% if service was outstanding.

topane

11-04-2003, 05:10 AM

If you want to really break it down, you tip 18-20% (or more for excellent service) on food, alcohol 10%, and you don't tip on sales tax.

blueindian

11-04-2003, 05:46 AM

i tip anywhere from 0 to 50% based on quality of service and cost of meal. If i get kick ass service on a $6 sandwich with fries and my tea glass is never empty, i'll tip $3 with no problem. If I get shitty service on $200 worth of sushi and wine for my wife and I, tipping $0 is not a problem. Of course on that meal I can't really afford to tip 50% for excellent service, so 25-30 is more likely.

all percentages are based on the total of the bill, tax and alcohol included

whitak24

11-04-2003, 05:54 AM

i'm a pretty generous tipper, but like BI, i'm far more likely to give a higher percentage to people working at a lower-cost establishment.

i mean, seriously, just because you happen to be able to land a job at a joint that charges $50 for entrees instead of getting a job at a diner that sells $5-10 food shouldn't mean that you should make $20 for a job vs making $4. besides, i've found that many mid-range restaurants have worse service than a lot of cheap joints. so you have people who make more money anyway and then give you s____y service.

cheapie

11-04-2003, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by whitak24
i'm a pretty generous tipper, but like BI, i'm far more likely to give a higher percentage to people working at a lower-cost establishment.

i mean, seriously, just because you happen to be able to land a job at a joint that charges $50 for entrees instead of getting a job at a diner that sells $5-10 food shouldn't mean that you should make $20 for a job vs making $4. besides, i've found that many mid-range restaurants have worse service than a lot of cheap joints. so you have people who make more money anyway and then give you s____y service.

keep in mind that places that serve $5-10 turn their tables far more frequently that those that serve $100 plates.

i had what i think was my first no tip the other day. we went out for breakfast the other day to a perkins diner w/the inlaws. 6 of us total. we were greeted nicely, seated right away. it was going good. the manager came over and gave my son a balloon. we're thinking, this is nice. so we order our breakfast. and we start to wait. and wait. and wait. people kept getting seated and getting their food before we did. the waitress came over and said, "you're food is taking longer because you ordered our specialty omelettes." ok. i can buy that. then she stopped by the table a couple more times telling us our food was on the way.

then a table that was next to us and was seated long after us got their food, ate it, and got the bill before we got our food. i asked one of the servers to speak w/the manager. he came out of the kitchen and said, "yes?" i asked him if he could check on our food. he said, "that's what i was doing in the kitchen." and then he turned around and walked away. wtf?

so we finally get our food. part of it was cold, blah, blah, blah.

the waitress never ackowledged the fact that we had to wait an insane amount of time, or apologized for the cold food. not only that, but the manager later walked out to our table and said, "the waitress said there was a problem at this table?" huh??? he was a large man, and stood right next to the table and didn't really even look at us. he was clearly pissed and had a very aggressive stance. i told him our food took a long time and when it arrived, some of it was cold. he muttered a half-hearted apology and walked away.

so we go up to pay and he's standing behind the counter watching. the person ringing up our meal asked how everything was and took our money. he just sort of stared and didn't say anything.

so i didn't tip them a dime. none of us did. i'm am one of the most congenial guys. if they had simply acknowledged the fact that there was a problem and asked if there was anything they could do, no problem! however, to get mad at me for asking where our food was, that's bs.

btw, when i'm sitting there w/a pregnant woman and a 2yo kid, that's not the time to make me wait a ton of time for food.

whitak24

11-04-2003, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by cheapie
keep in mind that places that serve $5-10 turn their tables far more frequently that those that serve $100 plates.
right. but not 10 to 20 times as fast. not to mention that people working in cheap places have to deal with people who come in, buy a cup of coffee for $1.25, and sit there for 2 hours reading the paper and getting free refills.

as for your story......unreal. of course, perkins sucks. were you at the one by the airport? that place is rancid, imo.

but for you to have to wait for your food while other people came, got seated, ate, paid their bill, and left... :2far: they should have given you free food for your troubles.

Merlin

11-04-2003, 07:18 AM

Tip whatever you feel comfortable tipping. Remember the 15% is nothing more than a rule of thumb. Tip them what you think their service was worth. If your friend does not place a high premium that is his perrogative.

Note: This is why most places put an automatic tip on groups of 6 or more.

cheapie

11-04-2003, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by whitak24
as for your story......unreal. of course, perkins sucks. were you at the one by the airport? that place is rancid, imo.

yep. that's the one.

but for you to have to wait for your food while other people came, got seated, ate, paid their bill, and left... :2far: they should have given you free food for your troubles.

:stupid:

Burzhui

11-04-2003, 07:34 AM

i pay on excellence of service. Generally a minimum of 15% and upwards of 75%

Nija

11-04-2003, 07:40 AM

double the tax is what I do.

when I get really good service, i start adding money.

when I get crappy service I take money away.

when I get horrible service, :shifty: it's not pretty.

bachviet

11-04-2003, 08:15 AM

I tip for good services also. It's between 15% and 20%.

CamaroBabe

11-04-2003, 08:41 AM

Your price you pay for your entree is for the entree itself. Since most waiters/waitresses get paid WELL BELOW minimum wage (In PA the minimum wage is $5.15 with servers getting paid $2.83 I believe) the TIP is what pays for the service the server provides. I always tip 10% no matter how crappy the service is. For good service, I tip 20%, and if we know the waitress, and she hooks us up most times I give a lot more.

I was a waitress before, and it SUCKED. A lot of the times I would get gipped on a tip when a table's food took forever to come out....THAT was not my fault. I cannot tell you how many times I got penalized for that. If your food took too long, or if there was something wrong with it, blame the kitchen: Ask for a free meal. Don't hold the waitress responsible if she wasn't!

Also, if you have a COUPON and are using it on the meal.....such as buy one meal get on free, you are supposed to tip on the TOTAL before the coupon was taken off. I know a lot of people who had to switch jobs b/c of frickin' coupons and people not knowing how to tip.

ALSO, people who work in fancier restaurants with higher bills DO deserve a higher tip. It takes a lot of experience to get hired @ a place such as that. YOU WILL NEVER make GOOD money @ Eat n' Park. :rolleyes:

Merlin

11-04-2003, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by CamaroBabe

I was a waitress before, and it SUCKED. A lot of the times I would get gipped on a tip when a table's food took forever to come out....THAT was not my fault. I cannot tell you how many times I got penalized for that. If your food took too long, or if there was something wrong with it, blame the kitchen: Ask for a free meal. Don't hold the waitress responsible if she wasn't!

Also, if you have a COUPON and are using it on the meal.....such as buy one meal get on free, you are supposed to tip on the TOTAL before the coupon was taken off. I know a lot of people who had to switch jobs b/c of frickin' coupons and people not knowing how to tip.

But remember you are that table's representative to the kitchen. If their food is taking a long time YOU should be lighting a fire under the cook to get it done. That is part of what the tip covers. If there is nothing you can do to speed it up then a free appitizer should come out. No a slow kitchen is not your fault but you do need to deal with it.

And that coupon thing...It also applies if you get soething on the house. If I get a freebie from the waitress then she will usually get its value tacked onto the tip.

cheapie

11-04-2003, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by CamaroBabe
Your price you pay for your entree is for the entree itself. Since most waiters/waitresses get paid WELL BELOW minimum wage (In PA the minimum wage is $5.15 with servers getting paid $2.83 I believe) the TIP is what pays for the service the server provides. I always tip 10% no matter how crappy the service is. For good service, I tip 20%, and if we know the waitress, and she hooks us up most times I give a lot more.

I was a waitress before, and it SUCKED. A lot of the times I would get gipped on a tip when a table's food took forever to come out....THAT was not my fault. I cannot tell you how many times I got penalized for that. If your food took too long, or if there was something wrong with it, blame the kitchen: Ask for a free meal. Don't hold the waitress responsible if she wasn't!

Also, if you have a COUPON and are using it on the meal.....such as buy one meal get on free, you are supposed to tip on the TOTAL before the coupon was taken off. I know a lot of people who had to switch jobs b/c of frickin' coupons and people not knowing how to tip.

ALSO, people who work in fancier restaurants with higher bills DO deserve a higher tip. It takes a lot of experience to get hired @ a place such as that. YOU WILL NEVER make GOOD money @ Eat n' Park. :rolleyes:

the only disagreement here is that if the waitress doesn't acknowledge that there's a problem, or is crappy with me if i do so, then she is lumped in with the kitchen. if she apologizes and does her best to remedy the situation, she is completely absolved and will get whatever tip she would have otherwise gotten.

Cheesypuff

11-04-2003, 09:14 AM

living in the NAPA valley. I Usually tip pretty high, since it is the custom here in the napa valley. Regarding alcohol, people usually do tip when they order wine with thir meal. since most everybody drinks a glass of wine with their meal here. They do tip for alcohol. It's usually way up there around 20-25% for tips. BECAUSE HERE IN THE NAPA VALLEY, THEY CAN FREAKING AFFORD IT!!!!

WhiskeyPapa

11-04-2003, 09:16 AM

I hate tipping. I still tip the typical 15-20%, but I generally avoid places where tipping is expected.

I also don't appreciate that stupid "waiters make less than minimum wage" excuse. I want to tip because I appreciate the service, not because I feel sorry for the poor schmuck. Give me a break. If you look at it that way, most salemen make less than waiters - since 100% of their income is based on "tips" (commission.)

zenbooty

11-04-2003, 09:37 AM

Tipping is more than just a gratuity or custom. Its the method by which many people in the service industry make their living. I think it says a lot about the character of a person who goes out for a nice meal and refuses to tip, or expects to be treated like royalty for a measly 15%. I've heard a lot of rationalizations for why people feel this is appropriate, yet I have never found one of those rationalizations coming from anybody who ever worked in that occupation.

And to think that the waiter or waitress has any ability to "light a fire" under the cooks' asses or any authority to give away freebies has very little clue about the typical hierarchy of power and authority in a restaurant.

cheapie

11-04-2003, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by zenbooty
Tipping is more than just a gratuity or custom. Its the method by which many people in the service industry make their living. I think it says a lot about the character of a person who goes out for a nice meal and refuses to tip, or expects to be treated like royalty for a measly 15%. I've heard a lot of rationalizations for why people feel this is appropriate, yet I have never found one of those rationalizations coming from anybody who ever worked in that occupation.

And to think that the waiter or waitress has any ability to "light a fire" under the cooks' asses or any authority to give away freebies has very little clue about the typical hierarchy of power and authority in a restaurant.

what i don't like is that the expectation of what's an appropriate tips keeps getting jacked up. i know it's a hard job. but don't expect me to make up for the fact you don't have a better job.

please note, i worked in teh food industry. it DOES suck. that's why i got out, went to college, etc.

kei2

11-04-2003, 10:34 AM

Personally, I think most people out there tip too much. 15-20% as the norm? I don't know about that. I mean, it's the norm. It's not like they're not getting paid except for the tips. They know what they're signing up for when they apply for/accept the job. I'm usually in the 10-15% range for average service. Then again, if I'm with a group, they're likely to underpay so I end up tipping/chipping in way more than my share. As for servers making less than minimum wage... isn't that illegal because there is a minimum wage? I don't understand. Besides, if you want to talk about zero-gratitude grunt work, try working fast food. I did that one summer, busted my rear to take orders quickly and cordially and then expedite the food orders just as quickly and cordially, and never saw a single tip because it's a fast food joint. Most people don't even thank you for your hard work. (Most, not all. I did get offered a bank job by a grateful customer who saw my work ethic...) Made minimum wage, which was $5.75 at the time. I don't feel the least bit sorry for servers, because the majority of them do make more than minimum wage, plus a few tax-free dollars an hour from tips.

brain

11-04-2003, 11:04 AM

Here in Cali, the minimum wage is $6.75/hr. The average pay for a server at The Cheesecake Factory which includes tips is $17/hr.

kei2

11-04-2003, 11:06 AM

originally posted by brain
Here in Cali, the minimum wage is $6.75/hr. The average pay for a server at The Cheesecake Factory which includes tips is $17/hr.Exactly.

johnnymk

11-04-2003, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by kei2
Besides, if you want to talk about zero-gratitude grunt work, try working fast food. I did that one summer, busted my rear to take orders quickly and cordially and then expedite the food orders just as quickly and cordially, and never saw a single tip because it's a fast food joint. Most people don't even thank you for your hard work. (Most, not all. I did get offered a bank job by a grateful customer who saw my work ethic...) Made minimum wage, which was $5.75 at the time.

I am amazed that fast food restaurants can even find people to do their crappy jobs at such low pay and with demanding impatient customers.

BTW, I heard that 90% of all restaurants go out of business and within 5 years.

kei2

11-04-2003, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by johnnymk
I am amazed that fast food restaurants can even find people to do their crappy jobs at such low pay and with demanding impatient customers.

BTW, I heard that 90% of all restaurants go out of business and within 5 years. There's always high school kids who need summer jobs. It's also a low-skill-requirement job, so individuals who for whatever reason didn't pursue higher education can still make a living. In fairness, most of the customers are nice... but if even 5-10% of them are in a bad mood that's a lot of unpleasant customers (because so many people come in and out each day).

I think that stat you heard was probably from NBC's The Restaurant (Rocco DiSpiritu's reality show this summer). I think the statistic was actually that 90% of new restaurants in New York fail within a short period of time.

WhiskeyPapa

11-04-2003, 11:24 AM

Well I worked in fast food, and it does suck. But it's not exactly hard work, and it doesn't involve much brain activity. I'm not surprised at all that there are people who want to work in fast food. 7% of the American workforce had their first job at McDonalds (as reported on Jeopardy!)

kei2

11-04-2003, 11:30 AM

Well plus work's been hard to come by of late. This past summer I applied for seasonal work at 15 establishments (everything BUT fast food) and didn't get jack. If I had known ahead of time that that would happen I'd have worked fast food again. Not because it's good, but anything that brings in the Georges (as opposed to Benjamins). Sidenote: I'm not in the 7%. My first job was Burger King, not McD's. haha.

brainsmile

11-04-2003, 12:58 PM

the only tipping I do involves cows

RoniMan

11-04-2003, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by kei2
I think that stat you heard was probably from NBC's The Restaurant (Rocco DiSpiritu's reality show this summer). I think the statistic was actually that 90% of new restaurants in New York fail within a short period of time.

actually, i don't think that's just in ny. my family had a restaurant LONG ago, and we sold it in 2 years b/c my dad knew that most restaurant don't make it past their first year, and even if the do, very few of the remaining survive after the second year. (i'm too lazy to look up the stats b/c most of them are made up anyways)

brain

11-04-2003, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by johnnymk

I am amazed that fast food restaurants can even find people to do their crappy jobs at such low pay and with demanding impatient customers.

BTW, I heard that 90% of all restaurants go out of business and within 5 years.

This is why a company like McDonalds has insane employee turnover rates. I hear they have the highest in any company.

le_stick

11-04-2003, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by cruelpupet

tip is a gratuity for excellent service
so the question is, how was his service?

I'm with this person.....If the service was good then I will tip
15%....max......Yes, I'm one cheap MOFO....:D

bachviet

11-04-2003, 03:33 PM

I don't think waiters/waitresses get paid less than minimum wage here in California (against the law). Their pay might be low so the tips added extra bonuses.

Joshua

11-04-2003, 06:43 PM

Ummm, I thought this thread was gonna be about cow tipping. The restraunt kind... If she's cute 15%. If she's cute and flirts 50%!

PCC

11-04-2003, 07:55 PM

The wage waitresses/waiters get paid takes into account the tips that they are supposed to receive. This is why they can get away with paying them below minimum wage. At least that's the way I heard it.

A friend of mines and I once went into a restaurant for dinner. When we left, we left a nickel tip. That was to let the waitress know that we would have tipped better had the service been better (as opposed to not tipping at all, in which case she may have thought that we were cheap bastards that don't tip at all). This was because the drinks we ordered at the beginning of the meal never got there. Ever. We paid for the food but not the drinks, and we left, going straight to a 7-Eleven for some sodas.

I usually try to tip around 15% but will tip more for really good service or less for bad service. If service is really bad, I try to leave a few cents per my example above. Oh, yeah, I don't tip at fast food joints.

Speedfreak

11-04-2003, 08:37 PM

I hate places that automatically add tips to the bill. That's like a teacher giving an A to someone before they have done without knowing what kind of work they do.

A tip should NOT be expected. A tip is something that a customer gives for good service.

whitak24

11-05-2003, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by Speedfreak
I hate places that automatically add tips to the bill. That's like a teacher giving an A to someone before they have done without knowing what kind of work they do.

A tip should NOT be expected. A tip is something that a customer gives for good service.
see, there's the whole problem. if the tip is expected -- if, in fact, the tip is necessary to give the server enough wages to want to work there -- then why the hell doesn't the restaurant add 15% to its prices and then pay their staff a decent wage.

even more logically, they could spread the money around and pay people like their kitchen staff more $$ so that they would be more inclined to do a good job.

(of course, i realize there are many reasons why this isn't done, but on so many levels it's the logical thing to do)

cheapie

11-05-2003, 06:30 AM

good news. after i posted my rant about perkins, i modified it a bit and sent it to their management. i got a call from the store manager about an hour later. he apologized profusely and is sending me some vouchers for a free meal. oh yeah.

Mike_N_Ike

11-05-2003, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Speedfreak
I hate places that automatically add tips to the bill. That's like a teacher giving an A to someone before they have done without knowing what kind of work they do.

A tip should NOT be expected. A tip is something that a customer gives for good service.

For Reals! I hate that too.

I never feel obligated to leave a certain amount. In certain cases I've just left w/o tipping at all. I don't think I'm cheap - in fact I like to tip a little higher than 15 in most cases. Like 20 or even 25 if they were really nice, but why feel obligated to leave money for somebody who made you have a bad experience?

Merlin

11-05-2003, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by cheapie
good news. after i posted my rant about perkins, i modified it a bit and sent it to their management. i got a call from the store manager about an hour later. he apologized profusely and is sending me some vouchers for a free meal. oh yeah.

I guess they weren't sure they had a chance to spit in your food last time sothey want you back for another shot. :hehe:

Flo: "Hey Mel here comes that wiseass from the Internet with his coupons"
Mel: "Good, it'll give me a chace to hack up some 'special sauce' for him."

nickel

11-05-2003, 10:57 AM

that is true, so true.

ufcrusher

11-05-2003, 10:59 AM

This is why they total up alcohol separate from the regular food. I view it as though I bought it at the bar...I usually tip the bartender a buck or two no matter how much the drink cost. Then I may skip the next drink tipping and tip the third time. It all depends on my mood at the time and how long it took the bartender to get to me and serve my drink. Thus I would have added $7 - 10 to the total for the Saki bottles.

As for tipping...I generally tip 20% for good service on a standard $40+ meal. If its a cheaper meal I may go over 20% but that depends on my mood. I have been known to write on the receipt, "Good service = good tip, Bad service = bad tip" and then leave a bad tip. The worst thing you can do to a waitress/waiter is leave a penny. I have done that when the service was horrible. I also use a reverse tipping model. All servers start at 20% and then for each thing they do wrong I take off from it. Lets say a server is doing ok and then it takes them 30 minutes to get our check after we ask for it....then they are going to only get 5% tip or so. My time matters.

cheapie

11-05-2003, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by ufcrusher
Lets say a server is doing ok and then it takes them 30 minutes to get our check after we ask for it....then they are going to only get 5% tip or so. My time matters.

then don't go to canada. i was in toronto and ate at 3 nice places in a row. each time the waiter/waitress took 30-45 minutes to bring out bill once we asked.

:angry:

donnar

11-05-2003, 02:26 PM

I worked at a diner and I worked at a strip club and let me tell you a guy who only gets a beer will tip better then a whole famiyl getting sunday supper, back to my point

If I get bad service I don't tip plus I complain, I go out to eat to be waited on and that is what I except, I didn't pay 40 for a meal to get crappy service and cold food. If you were attentive I will tip you pretty good, but as a waittress you do have the power to get the food out faster and make sure your cistomer is happy that is your JOB

goyo2

11-05-2003, 03:36 PM

The book, "Life's Little Instruction Book" says always tip %15, tip %20 when you have excellent service.

I think if you're not ready to tip at least 15 % on averge service then you shouldn't eat out where servers are serving you. It really is low class not to.

I only would tip less than 15% if someone was actualy rude to me or completely unreasonable. Example: Once I went to a restaurant that probably could seat 55 - 60 people, it was called "The Nose" in San Diego. There were five people seated there one evening. I arrived with a date and asked to be seated at a regular table instead of this raised table that he wanted us to sit at. I don't like sitting on high chairs unless I absolutely have to, they just feel stupid and are uncomfortable. He refused, saying that the restaurant would fill up shortly and that tables were for partys of four or more. Perfectly reasonable, if the restaurant weren't empty. I asked again, he refused again. I called him close and whispered in his ear that I was going to subtract a dollar from his tip for every empty table that was there when we finished our dinner. Probably a dumb move, he probably spit in something, I was just really upset though. It was a first date and anything I can do to make these things easier is always appreciated. The bill was $45 and there were seven tables unfilled when we left. I gave him five bucks.

The restaurant has since closed. :0

goyo2

11-05-2003, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by brain
Here in Cali, the minimum wage is $6.75/hr. The average pay for a server at The Cheesecake Factory which includes tips is $17/hr.

I still wouldn't serve on the west coast cause you got to kiss people's a$$es. on the east coast there isn't so much of that. It was refreshing to get some sarchasim from a waiter in NYC. Eff the customers I say!:D

As a a customer I don't like my a$$ being kissed either, I just want to be respected. Servers can't control when the food comes out any more than they can control the prices or for that matter the weather. Sure they can get on a cooks a$$, but do you really think some premadonna chef really cares if you get to scary movie on time?

There's an axiom I have learned to accept when it comes to products and services:

price, quality, service...pick two :eek:

ufcrusher

11-05-2003, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by goyo2

As a a customer I don't like my a$$ being kissed either, I just want to be respected. Servers can't control when the food comes out any more than they can control the prices or for that matter the weather. Sure they can get on a cooks a$$, but do you really think some premadonna chef really cares if you get to scary movie on time?

There's an axiom I have learned to accept when it comes to products and services:

price, quality, service...pick two :eek:

I disagree with your statement. When I worked as a cook, if the waiter was one that had been there for a while and was nice about it, then I would do all I could to get it out faster. There are obvioulsy some foods that take X amount of time to cook and there is nothing I was able to do in that case, but you do what you can.

There were some waiters who were arses and we would intentionally pull things off their orders to fill other waiters orders, so they would get crap. Obviously you could only delay the order for a short time otherwise it reflected badly on the restaurant. Now the sad thing is that when we would expedite an order generally the waiter would be the slow link. The food would go up and the waiters wouldnt come back to get it until it had been up for a while.