Should Pot be legal for recreational use?

[goyo2]

I'm almost sure I've seen this posted before, but I am curious to see what Got Apexers think now...I voted yes even though I haven't touched the devil's weed for quite some time:bandit:

[Airencracken]

Tax it. Cha freaking ching. Same with prostitution. :deal:

[blueindian]

decriminalization works.

[cheapie]

if it was legal, i'd smoke it. so i'm not sure...

[nickel]

:bandit:
low rider
get a little higher

[goyo2]

Originally posted by cheapie
if it was legal, i'd smoke it. so i'm not sure...

Yeah I hear you, it would be hella hard not to spark up, especially if they sold it at the movies or Dave and Busters!

I don't think pot is harmless, but I just don't see it as something to be regulated. Taxing it is fine, but it gets a little exploitive - for instance, I don't agree with the huge tax smoker's pay. Its like seven bucks for a pack in NYC! I know politicians are always saying that it helps pay for the medical expenses of treating smokers, but does the money really go there?

[eSDee]

Definitely.

[cheapie]

Originally posted by eSDeeLoco
Definitely.

:duh: you're from california. that's pretty predictable! :D

[eSDee]

Originally posted by cheapie


:duh: you're from california. that's pretty predictable! :D

Statist. :mad2:








youre right tho :P

[bachviet]

Should be legalized and taxed.

[topane]

Originally posted by Airencracken
Tax it. Cha freaking ching. Same with prostitution. :deal: **** taxing it. Gov't gets too much of our cash now :angry:.

[Cantacuzene]

Even though I don;t smoke, I say legalize it. Its definitly not as bad as alcohol, and thats legalized and heavily taxed.

[welfareloser]

yeah, the govt is missing some major bucks by not taxing it... and i think the world would be a nicer place if people would develop pot habits instead of alcohol habits...

[appleseed]

Originally posted by welfareloser
yeah, the govt is missing some major bucks by not taxing it... and i think the world would be a nicer place if people would develop pot habits instead of alcohol habits... :stupid:
agreed. prostitution should be legal too. i'd like to see the cops going after murderers instead of people who like to smoke a j or pay for sex. err, not that i would do either :blush::angel:

[InfiniteNothing]

Originally posted by topane
**** taxing it. Gov't gets too much of our cash now :angry:.
They'd only get your money if you bought pot. Don't want the government to get your money, don't buy it.


Originally posted by appleseed
:stupid:
agreed. prostitution should be legal too. i'd like to see the cops going after murderers instead of people who like to smoke a j or pay for sex. err, not that i would do either :blush::angel:

That won't happen 'till we take away the incentive to write more laws (See owing homes post)

[TofuNinja]

Legalize it and tax the hell out of it

[Ladogaboy]

The whole reason they don't legalize it is because it is too easy to grow. They'd never be able to tax something that half the people could grow in their own backyard.

:bandit:

[DankNstickY]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
Even though I don;t smoke, I say legalize it. Its definitly not as bad as alcohol, and thats legalized and heavily taxed.

:stupid:

so true. i havent smoked in almost 2 years, but i say legalize. i dont think i'd start back up, but just from past experience, the effects of alcohol are far greater than the ones from weed. just compare the number of accidents that involved weed with the ones that involved alcohol and i'm sure you'll see a big gap between the two.

so definitely legalize.

[eSDee]

Originally posted by DankNstickY

just compare the number of accidents that involved weed with the ones that involved alcohol and i'm sure you'll see a big gap between the two.


There is a huge gap but mostly because alcohol is readily available to the public and marijuana is not. However I think that if the availability were the same, you would still see a bigger number of alcohol related incidents.

Besides, it would be easier to spot the pot smokers on the freeway. They would be the ones with the death grip on the wheel while driving 25 mph in the slow lane ;)

[DankNstickY]

:hihi: i would set the cruise control on so i wouldnt go too slow

that reminds me of a guy that was on the freeway next to me. massive traffic on the 10, suddenly i get a whiff... i look over and there he is. fat blunt.

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[mojo]

i forget...what was the question? :confused:

[zenbooty]

Legal? It should be required!

[Merlin]

Why is it not legal in the first place?

And screw the tax thing. This should be more about personal freedom than who gets paid - the drug dealer vs. uncle Sam. Moreover, I don't think it would be right for the govt to say something is okay only if you give them their payola. That just reeks to paying "protection"

I don't smoke. Never have and mostlikely never will. But I can't see the harm in it if YOU want to. :shrug: Besides, how else will we get people to do simple, menial, repetitive jobs (short order cook, etc.) for hours on end unless they are high?

[Dirty Sanchez]

Originally posted by eSDeeLoco
Besides, it would be easier to spot the pot smokers on the freeway. They would be the ones with the death grip on the wheel while driving 25 mph in the slow lane ;)

...with smoke billowing out the windows and dreadlocks flapping in the breeze

Was there ever a documented case where a person high on pot ever killed anyone?

[nickel]

Originally posted by Dirty Sanchez


...with smoke billowing out the windows and dreadlocks flapping in the breeze

that is a fallicy. your average pot smoker doesn't look like Cheech-n-Chong.

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by nickelback

that is a fallicy. your average pot smoker doesn't look like Cheech-n-Chong. But who wants to be just average? :D

[Dirty Sanchez]

Originally posted by nickelback

that is a fallicy. your average pot smoker doesn't look like Cheech-n-Chong.

they don't have dreads.

[nickel]

Originally posted by zenbooty
But who wants to be just average? :D
it's better than below average, eh?
<7"


Originally posted by Dirty Sanchez


they don't have dreads.
well.....um.......they would if they made a movie today.....:P

[Arriba]

It has already been decriminalized here in Canada. But you can still get a fine for having too much. not sure what too much is, over 3 ounces i think. I know some ppl who actually get it from the government for medical use, but they say its really crappy stuff. Our Prime Minister wants to try it as soon as he is out of office to see what the hype is all about...lol, i hope they televize it. As for me, the stuff just puts me to sleep.

[Jeffbx]

Originally posted by Ladogaboy
The whole reason they don't legalize it is because it is too easy to grow. They'd never be able to tax something that half the people could grow in their own backyard.

:bandit:

You know you can grow tobacco in your back yard, right?

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by Jeffbx


You know you can grow tobacco in your back yard, right?

Actually, I can't. Tobacco is one of the most climate sensitive crops grown in the U.S. Why do you think that a majority of it is only grown in the South?

[Jeffbx]

Sorry, didn't mean it that literally. But there's nothing stopping anyone from growing tobacco in their backyard, greenhouse, closet under a gro-lamp, whatever.

I imagine that growing pot would be about the same. If it were legal, most people would probably buy pre grown stuff, rather than growing their own.

It's a big opportunity that the govn't is missing in terms of a cash inflow (from taxes), and eliminating a big portion of the so-called "war on drugs" that certainly doesn't seem to be doing anything useful.

[blueindian]

people may be able to grow it, but they'll still buy it. just like people buy beer and cigs.

just because it will grow in your back yard doesn't mean you'll be able to grow good pot. that takes some skill and time. i mean really. . . if it's legal whos going to waste their time with some crappy home grown when you can get the killer easily? most people who tried to grow it would give up because of the difficulty and time involved and just head to the store to buy it.

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by nickelback

it's better than below average, eh?
<7"Hate to dash you hopes, but you're deluded if you think 7" is average for a guy.

They've actually done studies on this, and let me tell you, the results were quite a confidence booster :D

[cheapie]

Originally posted by zenbooty
Hate to dash you hopes, but you're deluded if you think 7" is average for a guy.

They've actually done studies on this, and let me tell you, the results were quite a confidence booster :D


i think she meant that 7" is average for the guys she does, errr, dates.


:D

[zenbooty]

Originally posted by cheapie
i think she meant that 7" is average for the guys she does, errr, dates.
:D What, they gotta send a pic first or something? :confused: :hmm:

[Merlin]

Originally posted by blueindian

just because it will grow in your back yard doesn't mean you'll be able to grow good pot. that takes some skill and time.

Not really. Afterall, they call it 'weed' for a reason. :bandit:

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Merlin


Not really. Afterall, they call it 'weed' for a reason. :bandit:

yes, really. getting the stuff to grow big and healthy and leafy is easy enough. that's not good pot. getting it to bud is another matter entirely. it's not gonna happen in your backyard 99% of the time.

[blueindian]

Originally posted by welfareloser


yes, really. getting the stuff to grow big and healthy and leafy is easy enough. that's not good pot. getting it to bud is another matter entirely. it's not gonna happen in your backyard 99% of the time.

zactly. there's a reason some pot costs $50/oz and some pot costs $400/oz. if the average joe just threw some seeds in his back yard, it'd be worth about $0/oz when he harvested.

[InfiniteNothing]

Originally posted by zenbooty
Hate to dash you hopes, but you're deluded if you think 7" is average for a guy.

They've actually done studies on this, and let me tell you, the results were quite a confidence booster :D

n/m a bit too off topic.

[goyo2]

So who know's what are some real dangers from smoking pot? I've heard it causes lung cancer just like cigs, although not really addicting in the physical sense, it can be habit forming...Some potheads I've met are really emotionally dysfunctional. I'm sure casual use won't do much, like a beer or two can be harmless, but does anyone know some real stats on long term daily use? Is brain damage a reality with it?

[welfareloser]

brain damage is not a reality. serious potheads are serious potheads because they had problems to begin with - the problems cause the pot use, not the other way around.

it is drawing smoke into your lungs, which isn't good. one puff a day for 365 days is roughly equivalent to burning leaves in your backyard once a year and inhaling it for a few hours. it ain't 100% safe, but it sure as heck ain't tobacco.

massive overuse for many, many years will slow some stuff down, nobody's quite sure if it's permanent or not... hard to design a good study, be able to follow someone for years and years, see them before, during and after... but the general consensus is that it isn't doing much physiological damage.

[Merlin]

I don't know if I agree. Afterall, they do call it "dope" for a reason. :bandit:

[Nija]

to answer the question, yes it should.

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by welfareloser


yes, really. getting the stuff to grow big and healthy and leafy is easy enough. that's not good pot. getting it to bud is another matter entirely. it's not gonna happen in your backyard 99% of the time.

Well, my dad used to grow some high-quality bud in the backyard. Of course, that might just be because I come from a family of greenthumbs. :shrug:

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by Merlin
I don't know if I agree. Afterall, they do call it "dope" for a reason. :bandit:

you don't know if you agree? either you know something or you don't. do you?


Originally posted by Ladogaboy


Well, my dad used to grow some high-quality bud in the backyard. Of course, that might just be because I come from a family of greenthumbs. :shrug:

and the climate ... where was this? congrats to yo pops, because most people can't pull that off.

[DankNstickY]

wl's a stoner

[ski]

i've led a very sheltered life in the parts of the country i've lived in... i haven't the slightest idea about pot (what it's like, how much it costs, etc.)

so sure, legalize it so i can go to Kroger or the state liquor store and pick some up

[le_stick]

Originally posted by Merlin
Why is it not legal in the first place?
:shrug: Besides, how else will we get people to do simple, menial, repetitive jobs (short order cook, etc.) for hours on end unless they are high?

Never heard of civil servant????.....:D

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by welfareloser

and the climate ... where was this?

California.

[Merlin]

Originally posted by welfareloser

you don't know if you agree? either you know something or you don't. do you?


No my dear it is indeed possible to be undecided on something pending additional information.

[johnnymk]

Not a scientific study but an observation:

Back in the early seventies when ALL of my friends, including myself were getting high, I noticed rapid permanent hair loss among the tokers. Coincidence? I don't think so. These guys were in their mid twenties. It was way too early for them to lose the amount of hair that they did.

Oh, and I don't believe that the cost of pot has anything to do with the difficulty of growing it. It has everything to do with the risk factor.

Grass use was pretty much acceptable back then with few penalties for the average toker. We could buy a pound for what an ounce costs today. I am sure inflation has an effect, but not to that degree.

[blueindian]

Originally posted by johnnymk
Not a scientific study but an observation:

Back in the early seventies when ALL of my friends, including myself were getting high, I noticed rapid permanent hair loss among the tokers. Coincidence? I don't think so. These guys were in their mid twenties. It was way too early for them to lose the amount of hair that they did.

Oh, and I don't believe that the cost of pot has anything to do with the difficulty of growing it. It has everything to do with the risk factor.

Grass use was pretty much acceptable back then with few penalties for the average toker. We could buy a pound for what an ounce costs today. I am sure inflation has an effect, but not to that degree.


hmmm, 2 thoughts.

1. i have several of my friends who started rapid, permenant hair loss in their 20's. Some of them smoked pot, some did not. I don't think there is any correlation between smot poking and hair loss.

2. there is still pot that that you can get a pound of for as much as an ounce of some other pot. i pa, umm i mean a friend of mine pays around $300-$400 per ounce of pot that he likes, while other friends pay $50 per ounce of pot that they some which (my other friend likes to call the brown frown). So, assuming quantity discounts the good weed is $1000/lb and the schwag is $200/lb (you gits not discount on that cheap ass shizzle!)


Ladogaboy...I don't mean to say that no one can grow good weed and that no one will. Certainly there are people, your father included, who grow good weed. Hell, the good weed has to come from some where, right?

My point is more that it would be like a hobby thing, and that even the people who can grow it will still buy it. A good example is beer brewing. Perfectly legal and, in my experience, much easier than growing good weed. I've brewed some beer in the past. But for about 3 years all my brewing equipment has been siting in the closet untouched and i buy lots of beer at the store. And when I was activly brewing beer, i still bought it.

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by blueindian

Ladogaboy...I don't mean to say that no one can grow good weed and that no one will. Certainly there are people, your father included, who grow good weed. Hell, the good weed has to come from some where, right?

My point is more that it would be like a hobby thing, and that even the people who can grow it will still buy it. A good example is beer brewing. Perfectly legal and, in my experience, much easier than growing good weed. I've brewed some beer in the past. But for about 3 years all my brewing equipment has been siting in the closet untouched and i buy lots of beer at the store. And when I was activly brewing beer, i still bought it.

I know. My only point was that the government would not be able to get away with egregious taxation because weed is too easy to grow. And as far as your beer example goes, yes it is valid, but I can almost guarantee that more people would brew their own beer if taxes raised the prices to $5-10 a bottle.

[The Happy Squirrel]

i dont think it should, it just opens too big a plethora of controversy and mandates.
like what age can you smoke it at?
can you do it in public becuase others dont want a contact buzz?
how uch can you buy at once?
can it be laced?

too much crap behind it
hell no, keep it criminal

[blueindian]

Originally posted by The Happy Squirrel
i dont think it should, it just opens too big a plethora of controversy and mandates.
like what age can you smoke it at?
can you do it in public becuase others dont want a contact buzz?
how uch can you buy at once?
can it be laced?

too much crap behind it
hell no, keep it criminal

in that case we shouldn't be able to drive:

what age can you drive at?
can you drive in places where they don't want cars?
how may cars are you allowed to own?
can you have NO2?

yeah, too many decisions.
hell yeah, let's go back to horse and buggies.


lol...i jest. but seriously that is some poor rationale for not ending the prohibition on marijuana.

[Ladogaboy]

Originally posted by blueindian
yeah, too many decisions.
hell yeah, let's go back to horse and buggies.

Hey, people should be able to get high all they want if they have their horses to walk them home. :D