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Kevster
03-15-2004, 08:19 AM
Man I guess being old (over 30) is now a good thing! :)

Oh, and for you younger guys, I guess it could suck?

Linkage (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/164693_draft13.html)

Agency initiates steps for selective draft
Congress shows little support for effort to draw skilled Americans

By ERIC ROSENBERG
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON -- The government is taking the first steps toward a targeted military draft of Americans with special skills in computers and foreign languages.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is adamant that he will not ask Congress to authorize a draft, and officials at the Selective Service System, the independent federal agency that would organize any conscription, stress that the possibility of a so-called "special skills draft" is remote.

Nonetheless, the agency has begun the process of creating the procedures and policies to conduct such a targeted draft in case military officials ask Congress to authorize it and the lawmakers agree to such a request.

"Talking to the manpower folks at the Department of Defense and others, what came up was that nobody foresees a need for a large conventional draft such as we had in Vietnam," said Richard Flahavan, a spokesman for the Selective Service System. "But they thought that if we have any kind of a draft, it will probably be a special skills draft."

Flahavan said Selective Service planning for a possible draft of linguists and computer experts began last fall after Pentagon personnel officials said the military needed more people with skills in those areas.

A targeted registration and draft "is strictly in the planning stage," he said, adding that "the whole thing is driven by what appears to be the more pressing and relevant need today" -- the deficit in language and computer experts.

The spokesman said it could take about two years to "to have all the kinks worked out."

The agency already has a special system to register and draft health care personnel ages 20 to 44 in more than 60 specialties if necessary in a crisis. According to Flahavan, the agency will expand this system to be able to rapidly register and draft computer specialists and linguists, should the need ever arise. But he stressed that the agency has received no request from the Pentagon to do so.

Congress, which would have to authorize a draft, has shown no interest in taking such a step.

Kathleen Long, a spokeswoman for Sen. Carl Levin, the senior Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said a draft has little support among lawmakers.

A spokesman for Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, agreed. "There are massive operations under way to retrain soldiers" for more pressing duties and to recruit specialties in demand such as language experts, said Harald Stavenas, Hunter's spokesman.

The military draft ended in 1973 as the U.S. commitment in Vietnam waned, beginning the era of the all-volunteer force. Mandatory registration for the draft was suspended in 1975 but resumed in 1980 by President Carter after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. About 13.5 million men, ages 18 to 25, are currently registered with the Selective Service.

The military has had particular difficulty attracting and retaining language experts, especially people knowledgeable about Arabic and various Afghan dialects. To address this need, the Army has a new pilot program under way to recruit Arabic speakers into the service's Ready Reserves. The service has signed up about 150 people into the training program.

A Pentagon official familiar with personnel issues stressed that the armed forces are against any form of conscription but acknowledged that the groundwork is already under way at the Selective Service System.

On Capitol Hill, Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., has introduced a bill that would reinstate the draft. The legislation has minimal support with only 13 House lawmakers signing on as co-sponsors. A corresponding bill in the Senate introduced by Sen. Fritz Hollings, the outgoing South Carolina Democrat, has no co-sponsors.

Hiro
03-15-2004, 08:57 AM
I'm not overly happy about this.

ShawnLee
03-15-2004, 09:04 AM
I say that it's a good thing it happens, if only so that we need to know who is in what specialty if a full-scale draft is called.

As for drafting people in general? It's not needed, yet. Hopefully not for a while either.

Cubsfan
03-15-2004, 09:13 AM
I understand the need, but I wonder how you define "computer experts". Just because someone has a degree in Computer Science doesn't mean that know much at all. With medical professionals I would think it's a bit easier since they are licensed. Computer professionals don't need to be licensed, and in some places, don't even need a degree.

Hiro
03-15-2004, 09:20 AM
I've been working in the computer field for 5+ years, I have 0 computer degrees, my A+ Cert and my MCP only because it looks better on a resume.

Other than that, I only have my experience. Although I still probably have a high chance of being on that list.

ray
03-15-2004, 09:28 AM
If they're going by specialization, I am pretty sure they don't need anybody who is good with Finance and Accounting. And I'm not good enough with computers nor do I have the experience to make the list.

Merlin
03-15-2004, 11:24 AM
I doubt anything will come of this. You want to see the younger generation get to the polls in record numbers to vote someone out, just tell them they might be drafted. It would be political suicide.

Hiro
03-15-2004, 11:33 AM
If they needed me, I would do it. I just don't have to like it. ;)

eSDee
03-15-2004, 11:43 AM
I would consider going back in if they made me a colonel or higher. Course, I would have to drop about 30 lbs to get back to what I once was but I could do it. Hmm maybe that's a good excuse to drop a few extra lb's. Could be a General once a month and two weeks in the summer :D

ufcrusher
03-15-2004, 11:47 AM
This cant touch me. Now my younger brother on the other hand...he is firmly in that age set, good thing he isnt good with computers.

Grubbie
03-15-2004, 12:13 PM
I doubt they will just draft "techies" any time soon. I could understand if something BIG happeend. If they do oh well, what can I do about it... besides run to canada which doesn't sound like a lot of fun eh.

hapoo
03-15-2004, 01:19 PM
ahh crap, i knew this computer engineering thing would come back to bite me in the ass.

ShawnLee
03-15-2004, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by eSDeeLoco
I would consider going back in if they made me a colonel or higher. Course, I would have to drop about 30 lbs to get back to what I once was but I could do it. Hmm maybe that's a good excuse to drop a few extra lb's. Could be a General once a month and two weeks in the summer :D

Ha, I would make a comment about some of the reserve Col's I've met, but in all honesty, I think most of them tried their best, and for some of them, being a soldier was just padding for their medical resumes.

eSDee
03-15-2004, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by ShawnLee105


Ha, I would make a comment about some of the reserve Col's I've met, but in all honesty, I think most of them tried their best, and for some of them, being a soldier was just padding for their medical resumes.

That's true now that I think about it, the higher brass didn't have to worry about fitness like the enlisted. Schwarzkoph(?) was a tubby bastard during Desert Storm too.

/me resumes drinking his fat- filled microbrew

Burzhui
03-15-2004, 02:18 PM
why don't they outsource from india if they need computer skilled people??? I mean they do that instead of hiring us!

ShawnLee
03-15-2004, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by eSDeeLoco


That's true now that I think about it, the higher brass didn't have to worry about fitness like the enlisted. Schwarzkoph(?) was a tubby bastard during Desert Storm too.

/me resumes drinking his fat- filled microbrew

Still, I wouldn't call Schwartzkopf fat to his face. That's one old man that I would rather not ever screw with.

ski
03-15-2004, 02:55 PM
I guess 25 is when you really start to roll... you can finally rent cars, your car insurance goes down, and you don't have to worry about getting drafted (I guess that's 26 though, hmm)

I may change majors to interior design... :shifty: :P

hapoo
03-15-2004, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by Burzhui
why don't they outsource from india if they need computer skilled people??? I mean they do that instead of hiring us!

:stupid:
Thats probably the best idea i've read all day.

blueindian
03-15-2004, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by skiAtomic
I guess 25 is when you really start to roll... you can finally rent cars, your car insurance goes down, and you don't have to worry about getting drafted (I guess that's 26 though, hmm)

I may change majors to interior design... :shifty: :P

you can get drafted at any age should the situation calling for a draft be severe enough.




and esDee...what kind of beer you drinkin' that has fat in it?:hmm:

Cantacuzene
03-15-2004, 06:57 PM
What a bunch of bs. If they want tech and language skilled people to join they ought to pay those people well enough to make it desirable for them to enlist.

bachviet
03-15-2004, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Cantacuzene
What a bunch of bs. If they want tech and language skilled people to join they ought to pay those people well enough to make it desirable for them to enlist.
Would you enlist if the government pays you more?

VNMZ
03-15-2004, 07:24 PM
Good thing I am an Electrical Engineer. What's a computer?

Nanotech9
03-15-2004, 07:25 PM
ouch - i know spanish very well, and work with computers for a living... hehe. i'll just pretend i cant speak a lick of spanish, and whats tehm computer-gizmo thingies thar?

Cantacuzene
03-15-2004, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by bachviet

Would you enlist if the government pays you more?

If the army was hiring historians and paying them better than a high school or college professor salary you can bet that I would seriously consider it.

ShawnLee
03-15-2004, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by Cantacuzene
If the army was hiring historians and paying them better than a high school or college professor salary you can bet that I would seriously consider it.

You're in luck, they're always hiring, and with enough time, you could actually make more than as a teacher. I'm always up for leftists joining the Army, you'll learn something there, and the Army will be better for having learned something from you. (Not one ounce of sarcasm implied, intended, or placed.)

bachviet
03-15-2004, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by Cantacuzene


If the army was hiring historians and paying them better than a high school or college professor salary you can bet that I would seriously consider it.
I'm talking about enlisting (starting out as a private) not commission (starting out as an officer or CWO). You only need a HS diploma to enlist.

ShawnLee
03-15-2004, 07:50 PM
We should start a fund. A G|A signing bonus to whomever among us signs up next for the military. Of course this is in my self-interest since I'm trying to get back in, but ahem.

bachviet
03-15-2004, 07:52 PM
I'm a little old to reenlist but I will serve if I get called.

Nija
03-15-2004, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by ShawnLee105


You're in luck, they're always hiring, and with enough time, you could actually make more than as a teacher. I'm always up for leftists joining the Army, you'll learn something there, and the Army will be better for having learned something from you. (Not one ounce of sarcasm implied, intended, or placed.)

So your saying those on the right can't learn anything from the military, and the military will be worse off for having them... :P

eSDee
03-15-2004, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by blueindian

and esDee...what kind of beer you drinkin' that has fat in it?:hmm:

My bad I meant "get you fat" beer ;)

CynJon
03-15-2004, 10:54 PM
Man, I hope I don't get drafted...:dodgy: :angel:

ShawnLee
03-15-2004, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by Nija
So your saying those on the right can't learn anything from the military, and the military will be worse off for having them... :P

:heh: Pretty much yeah. Haha. :hehehmm: :laugh:

Cantacuzene
03-16-2004, 06:45 AM
Well since I would have a college diploma there is no way I would enter the army as a private, so either way it won't happen. I wouldn't mind teaching a World Military History class to soldiers, especially if the pay was good, but there are far more qualified people to do that.

Kevster
03-16-2004, 07:46 AM
Being a communications enginner, you can be pretty sure they'd be interested in aquiring my skills. There is, however, a big 3" thick book full of medical items they will not let you in the military for and on one page I'm pretty sure they have a full-page color photo of a knee looking just like mine with the words "NO" underneath.

Jcranmer
03-16-2004, 09:25 AM
Being an over 30, overweight, diabetic. I think I stand about 0 chance of getting caught up in this.

Of course I don't see anything like this happening anyway.

Burzhui
03-16-2004, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Jcranmer
Being an over 30, overweight, diabetic. I think I stand about 0 chance of getting caught up in this.

Of course I don't see anything like this happening anyway.


oh so your eye sight isn't that good either


:P