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blueindian
03-23-2004, 04:17 AM
man, this sucks.

from cnn (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/03/20/iraq.prison.abuse/index.html)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Six U.S. soldiers have been charged with offenses related to the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at an Iraqi prison, the U.S. Army said Saturday.

The soldiers are charged with assault, dereliction of duty, cruelty and maltreatment, conspiracy and indecent acts with another, U.S. Army spokesman Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said.

All of the military personnel are believed to be members of the 800th Military Police Brigade, which until recently guarded Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison.

The soldiers, charged with violating the Uniform Code of Military Justice, have been suspended from duty since the investigation began.

Multiple sources said the allegations involve soldiers who took photographs of Iraqi prisoners in late 2003, including pictures that show the prisoners partially clothed or physical contact between soldiers and detainees.

One source said "less than two dozen detainees" were subjected to the alleged abuse, which was reported by U.S. Army soldiers who witnessed it.

Nine more military personnel and two civilian employees may also face severe administrative action, according to U.S. military sources. Eight of them are expected to receive letters of reprimand that effectively will end their military careers, the sources said.

A civilian translator and a civilian interrogator are expected to be fired.

The Army's Criminal Investigative Division's investigation concluded there is sufficient evidence to recommend charges. The final decision was the commander's.

CNN has previously reported that 17 personnel at the prison were relieved of their duties, including a battalion commander, a company commander, three noncommissioned officers, and 12 military police directly involved in guard duties.

Prisoners held by the United States in Iraq are accorded rights of dignity and may not be held up to public ridicule under the Geneva Conventions.

A source indicated that taking pictures would be considered criminal activity unless it could be demonstrated it was done for official reasons related to processing and handling of detainees.

The Pentagon official said some computer drives were seized by the CID in the search for the photographs and additional evidence of abuse.

Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, head of coalition forces in Iraq, has also ordered an investigation to determine whether any problems exist in the chain of command.




there's also another article at
newsday (http://www.newsday.com/news/yahoo/ny-wopris213717143mar21,0,595482.story?coll=ny-newsaol-headlines) which has much more detail, but i'm unfamiliar with that source.

ArkiStan
03-23-2004, 07:48 AM
Maybe they had stolen wood. In which case, they should consider themselves lucky. They could have been abused AND had their car smashed.

blueindian
03-23-2004, 08:35 AM
i hope the stuff in the newsday article is not true. one prisoner said he was beaten and forced to stay on his hands and knees whilst his back was used for a chess table, that he was chained to a pole outside for days, and that he had to use a spoon to move raw sewage from one barrell to another.

cheapie
03-23-2004, 09:14 AM
well, the good takeaway is that they are being charged and the am. gvt. doesn't seem to be trying to cover it up. still sux tho'

ShawnLee
03-23-2004, 09:25 AM
It sucks, I feel so bad for them on the level that they went to war, and now they're being accused of this. If they're guilty, of course, they need to feel the full force and punishment that comes with the UCMJ. For everything that I've ever had drilled into me concerning treatment of enemy prisoners of war, I can't understand why military police would do this. Sad...

Showtime
03-23-2004, 12:32 PM
War is hell.

-jel

blueindian
03-23-2004, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by the jello is jigglin
War is hell.

-jel

and of course you brush it off just as easily had it been american troops abused, right?

ShawnLee
03-23-2004, 01:34 PM
I don't think that's what Jel is talking about, but I don't want to assume to speak for his thoughts. Can we change the name of the thread to "soldiers?" It just looks odd misspelled.

cheapie
03-23-2004, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by blueindian


and of course you brush it off just as easily had it been american troops abused, right?


i would just say that while it sucks, it's amazing how far we as a civilization have come in the last several hundred years. the worst claims of abuse are of someone being chained to a pole and humiliated.