Reagan Dead.

[attgig]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/05/reagan.health/index.html

just reported on tv that he passed away.


RIP.

[Cantacuzene]

Now he can face judgement for his crimes.

[ufcrusher]

Well, hopefully it was peaceful. RIP

[Showtime]

RIP

-jel

[LPMiller]

Now he can face judgement for his crimes.

Oh for pete's sake.

He wasn't the president the GOP wants to rewrite him into being, but he wasn't any more evil then Clinton. Nor that much different, really.

[DarkFury]

Oh for pete's sake.

He was the president the GOP wants to rewrite him into being, but he wasn't any more evil then Clinton. Nor that much different, really.
Yeah, but he sure didn't get as "hounded" as Clinton did...

I guess he just had better folks covering his butt.. <cough> Ollie North </cough>


Oh well... RIP Ronnie, may your memories of happier times return to ya. :D

[sbp]

A great man who made the world a better place. Not just an American hero, but an inspiration for the entire world. Reagan will be truly missed.

[brainsmile]

Rip

[Markel]

A great man who made the world a better place. Not just an American hero, but an inspiration for the entire world. Reagan will be truly missed.
:stupid:

It was his stand against the Soviet Union that brought an end to what was truly an "evil empire". He was a great man, and a man of great morals.

[topane]

Rest in peace.

[Apex]

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5351806

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3638299/

RIP. A great man, and a great leader. He presided over some of the greatest changes the world has seen in this generation.

[ialsohaveadream]

I think a million hard-core conservatives just died a little inside.

And Apex, what's up with my Howard Dean being gone? Did the Administration get to you, too? :)

[LPMiller]

See, there it goes. He wasn't a great man. He did good in the world, but he did some pretty crappy things too. He was a president, who died in a really sucky way. Making him better th an he was is just as bad as making him out to be satan.

You did your best, though, so take it easy, Gipper. Now go haunt GWB and tell him to pull his head out.

[zenbooty]

Now he can face judgement for his crimes.:stupid:

Old Mother Reagan
And his crew
Took away
From me and you

I hope he wil go far away,
He better go far away

Y'know it ain't right
When it's all wrong
This is the Old Mother Reagan
Protest song

Old Mother Reagan
He's so dumb
He's so dangerous
How come he don't go far away,
He better go far away

Old Mother Reagan went to heaven
But at the pearly gates
He was stopped!

[psycho-]

Apperantly zenbooty, canta, and quite a few other on this board can't figure out that their political views and comments need to be kept to the politics forum.

[bachviet]

R.I.P.

[g222leav]

i first heard from collegehumor....i guess that's where i get my daily tidbits of news nowadays...

i'm guessing i'm to young to know about these "evils" people are refurring too...

all i know from his era was reganomics and that he was once an actor...

[ShawnLee]

I think a million hard-core conservatives just died a little inside.Me perhaps? Yeah, no surprise that it happened, but it still sucks to lose a personal hero.

It's just sad that people can't show some respect to the dead, even if they disagree.

[ialsohaveadream]

I show respect. I know he was a conservative icon, and even though his views were generally 180 degrees in the other direction from mine, I'd never be happy to hear he was dead.

I didn't realize he was 93, though. Wow. The man lived a nice, long life.

[attgig]

I didn't realize he was 93, though. Wow. The man lived a nice, long life.
and unfortunately, the last ten years of which wasn't as nice. :(

[ShawnLee]

I show respect. I know he was a conservative icon, and even though his views were generally 180 degrees in the other direction from mine, I'd never be happy to hear he was dead.

I didn't realize he was 93, though. Wow. The man lived a nice, long life.I wasn't talking about you, sorry to make it seem like I was.

And yes, 93, a good long life accomplishing much.

[ialsohaveadream]

and unfortunately, the last ten years of which wasn't as nice. :(

True. Alzheimer's and autism have to be, in my mind, the hardest problems for family members to deal with, because in both cases there's a tendency for emotional distance. How terrible is it to think that as he was dying and Nancy was comforting him, Ronnie was asking her who she was or something? Ugh. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. :disa:

[zenbooty]

It's just sad that people can't show some respect to the dead, even if they disagree.And how many times have YOU laughed at the Darwin awards?

[YanksFanRy]

Not my favorite politician, but RIP nonetheless.

[eSDee]

It is a shame that his mind deteriorated like it did at the end. Nancy seemed like a sweet lady and so I feel bad that she had to see her man like that. When I was a kid I didn't know squat about politics but I always thought he was kind of cool. It wasn't until I got into college that I learned about his administration. However although I didn't agree with many of the things he did, I still maintained some respect for him. I hope that now he is at peace, and I hope that his family can have some peace as well.

[mojo]

Now he can face judgement for his crimes.:disa: bad form


RIP, mr president

[Cantacuzene]

Just be happy I didnt use the cheers smiley.

[Mommypooh]

Um I wasn't even alive when he was elected
So I don't know much about him other than he was a president at some point.

[topane]

and unfortunately, the last ten years of which wasn't as nice. :(Yeah, I guess he really died years ago. All that was left was his body. What a ****ty disease.

[Kevster]

Yeah, I guess he really died years ago. All that was left was his body. What a ****ty disease.

Yes it is. My wife's grandmother passed away in December after coming down with Alzheimer's 7 years ago. It was hardest on her eldest son, my Father-in-law, since he and my Mother-in-law were the primary care givers for her. She was in a nursing home for 2 years and then hospice care for over 2 years and one of them would be with her 5-6 days a week for 4-5 hours a day. They would feed her, take her around outside, take her to the park, etc. She started forgetting to speak english and would respond in dutch about a year before she passed. They couldn't have any pictures around her because she would cut/tear them up (she couldn't remember who they were in the pictures so she would get upset for about 5 minutes). Alzheimer's is one of the most cruelest diseases of all.

As for former President Reagan, Rest in Peace. He certainly was not the greatest president, but definitely not the worst. I do think that he was a good man no matter what I or anyone else thought of his politics.

[LPMiller]

Agreed.

[cheapie]

RIP Mr. President.

[Kenas]

He was a fine man.


Now he can face judgement for his crimes.

You sound like Gaddafi. And let me assure you, it is NOT a compliment.

[molecularfire]

Now he can face judgement for his crimes.
And hopefully, one day you will too.

[Cantacuzene]

He was a fine man.



You sound like Gaddafi. And let me assure you, it is NOT a compliment.

Go play in traffic.

http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showpost.php?p=681609&postcount=22
http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showpost.php?p=681630&postcount=23

I'm well justified in my positions.


And hopefully, one day you will too.

Assuming everything goes as planned, I won't be a murderer. I'm perfectly fine with being accountable for what I've done.

[cheapie]

canta, you totally stepped over the line. you have gone from merely sarcastic to hateful and full of spite. you're getting old and bitter before you even graduate. have a great next 50 years.

[Cantacuzene]

I stepped over the line because I refuse to pretend he was a good person? I wouldnt say I'm hateful or full of spite, I just get annoyed by hero worship.

[ialsohaveadream]

I don't think it's hero worship to say RIP. And you don't need to pretend he was a good person to wait a few days before reminding everyone why you didn't like him.

[jstreet]

Be careful, Canta.

I agree with you on everything regarding his presidency, and then some. He was a bad president, and I vehemently disagree with almost everything he did. I was too young to care when he was in office, ranging from -2 to 6, but I learned and now I do care. He was an atrocious president and I'm happy I wasn't cognizant of his presidency (the current one has damaged my spirit enough).

If there is an afterlife, I too hope that we are all held liable for our crimes; that belief makes it easier to watch people commit them, because you know they're not getting away with it. In Reagan's case, I would hazard a guess that Alzheimer's was more punishment than deserved, and perhaps he'll exit with time served and an apology for the rest; who knows.

What I do know, though, is for however you feel about him as a president - however any of us do - at a base level, he was a human, just like any of us. He was a fellow man, and he suffered for a long time, and he died. If for nothing more, respect him as a misguided man who has passed; whatever you say or feel, he does deserve at least that.

[molecularfire]

Assuming everything goes as planned, I won't be a murderer. I'm perfectly fine with being accountable for what I've done.
Whether you like the guy or not, whether you agree with his political policies or not, you don't spit on his grave. All you've shown me is that you are a bitter spiteful person. It gives me great comfort to know that you'll never be a great enough man to ever be in the position to make those decisions.

[Cantacuzene]

eh

[jstreet]

Also, to those using insults and calling Canta's manhood into question, let me direct you towards a subject I've recently done a paper on; "Unsound and Fallacious Arguments Based on Unfounded Notions".

There's quite a few, but one is called abusive ad hominem. Once you learn about it, you can't overlook it, regardless of to whom it's aimed; apologies.

[nickel]

Now he can face judgement for his crimes.
back in the day a guy would get banned for such blatant disrespect.


gawd, i just went back and read this whole thread. Canta makes me wanna :puke: man, are you that starved for attention that you gotta keep posting shock statements to get a rise out of people?

[cheapie]

Also, to those using insults and calling Canta's manhood into question, let me direct you towards a subject I've recently done a paper on; "Unsound and Fallacious Arguments Based on Unfounded Notions".

There's quite a few, but one is called abusive ad hominem. Once you learn about it, you can't overlook it, regardless of to whom it's aimed; apologies.


pray tell....who called canta's manhood into question? he said something incredibly insensitive and mean about our former president. lately, he's had a tendancy of flaming people in otherwise friendly threads. i'm suprised he hasn't gotten a timeout.

btw, pm me your paper. sounds interesting.

[jstreet]

back in the day a guy would get banned for such blatant disrespect.

Back in the day, opinions were respected as free speech and countered with good arguments, if someone had a different opinion ;)


pray tell....who called canta's manhood into question? he said something incredibly insensitive and mean about our former president. lately, he's had a tendancy of flaming people in otherwise friendly threads. i'm suprised he hasn't gotten a timeout.

btw, pm me your paper. sounds interesting.

See post #40.

[nickel]

[QUOTE=nickel]back in the day a guy would get banned for such blatant disrespect.[QUOTE]

Back in the day, opinions were respected as free speech and countered with good arguments, if someone had a different opinion ;)
you are preaching to the choir. i only get ticked if i am personally attacked for my opinion.

[LegendKiller]

Canta, you have to be the biggest pile of trash to walk the face of the earth.


Really, do you think you can do ANY better with the situations that were presented to him? Where the fvck do you have the right to even come close to judging him when all you do is sit around in your little regional school, buring your nose in some Byzantine text while pretending to be some lefty with a freedom agenda.

You really stinking disgust me man, show some respect for the dead.


Ohhh, and by the way, instead of hiding in some school where you are protected by tenure, why dont you come to the real working world and attempt to join the rest of the people having to deal with the real world. Till then you are nothing more than a pathetic shell of a person who has no damn clue about the real world.


LK

[cheapie]

Back in the day, opinions were respected as free speech and countered with good arguments, if someone had a different opinion ;)



See post #40.

bdub....i'm not sure it's the opinion we're upset about. we all know canta hates pretty much any white guy with an income of over $4/hour. the problem lies with him just spewing hate in a RIP thread. that's just uncalled for. period.

[jstreet]

bdub....i'm not sure it's the opinion we're upset about. we all know canta hates pretty much any white guy with an income of over $4/hour. the problem lies with him just spewing hate in a RIP thread. that's just uncalled for. period.

I guess I just hate seeing things devolve into personal attacks.... post 47's another good example...

I'm no angel, as a simple search on posts for 2000-2001'll show, but I'd like to think I fought the good fight before getting dirty, if I did at all.

If you think about personal attacks from an action/reaction point of view, that type of argument only serves to transfer anger from one party to another; sometimes futilely, sometimes effectively. Regardless, that's all it does. Transferring knowledge and information in a persuasive argument until the point where you can't any more seems like a better idea - and when you get to that point where you can't be logical and rational any more, it's probably because the *other* person has switched to personal attacks... and at that point, you win for having not gone down that road.

I dunno. I'm getting to new agey in my old age, heh.

[LegendKiller]

I guess I just hate seeing things devolve into personal attacks.... post 47's another good example...

I'm no angel, as a simple search on posts for 2000-2001'll show, but I'd like to think I fought the good fight before getting dirty, if I did at all.

If you think about personal attacks from an action/reaction point of view, that type of argument only serves to transfer anger from one party to another; sometimes futilely, sometimes effectively. Regardless, that's all it does. Transferring knowledge and information in a persuasive argument until the point where you can't any more seems like a better idea - and when you get to that point where you can't be logical and rational any more, it's probably because the *other* person has switched to personal attacks... and at that point, you win for having not gone down that road.

I dunno. I'm getting to new agey in my old age, heh.


When somebody comes and sh!ts in your house, what do you do? Do you sit there and call them a friend, or tell them they are a dirty jackass and kick them the hell out?


Canta is one of those people who believes he is superior to 90% of the people out there. He also seems to think that he has this god given right to be the judge jury and executioner of everybody. He is the little prick who came out with this vindictive trash sitting there ripping on a dead person that did nothing more than try to lead a country during VERY trying times.

To me that signals a person who is really and truly pathetic and I will tell them so. I am not going to sit here and read this vitrol and NOT say something.

If he wants to go into the real world where he has to make real decisions that affect real people, then fine, he can judge. However, he sits in his little orlando house, going to little orlando schools and will eventually teach at a little orlando school where he can be safe and secure from the real world. Meanwhile he will be poisoning our children to believe that every white man is out there to fvck them over.

I am really truly disgusted by him.


LK

[Cantacuzene]

Canta, you have to be the biggest pile of trash to walk the face of the earth.

I'm dumbfounded. I literally don't know how to respond to that.


Really, do you think you can do ANY better with the situations that were presented to him?

So far from the point. You judge a person by the actions they took. Period.


Where the fvck do you have the right to even come close to judging him when all you do is sit around in your little regional school, buring your nose in some Byzantine text while pretending to be some lefty with a freedom agenda.

You are a moron, seriously. I have the right to judge him because he was a public servant. I am allowed to judge politicians, thats how it goes.

And insulting my school is just poor taste and unfounded. My "little regional school" is the 7th largest university in the country. Get with it you cretin.


Ohhh, and by the way, instead of hiding in some school where you are protected by tenure

More of yoru sophmoric drivel. First, I don't have a teaching joba nd I'm not seeking one. You don't even know what you are talking about. All you do is assume things and then continue to follow that tangent forever.


why dont you come to the real working world and attempt to join the rest of the people having to deal with the real world.

Way to insult every teacher in the world, as well as all the teachers who post here. Furthermore, who do you think you are? You think your technology/office job is somehow more worthwhile or noble than education? Seriously, you are warped.


Till then you are nothing more than a pathetic shell of a person who has no damn clue about the real world.

:rolleyes:

And Cheapie,


we all know canta hates pretty much any white guy with an income of over $4/hour.

I know you were using hyperbole, but the fact is you keep saying that and repeating it over and over. Its annoying, unfounded, and getting old.


the problem lies with him just spewing hate in a RIP thread. that's just uncalled for. period.

I understand where you are coming from, and I understand how you can see it as offensive definitly. Problem is if say, Saddam Hussein, Quadaffi, Castro, or any number of other "bad guys" were to die the same people calling me a jerk for not having "respect for the dead" would be the first ones to join me in saying, "good riddance."

[nickel]

totally "annoying, unfounded and getting old" that you refer to any of the Presidents of the US in comparison with Saddam Hussein, Quadaffi, or Castro.

[cheapie]

I understand where you are coming from, and I understand how you can see it as offensive definitly. Problem is if say, Saddam Hussein, Quadaffi, Castro, or any number of other "bad guys" were to die the same people calling me a jerk for not having "respect for the dead" would be the first ones to join me in saying, "good riddance."


are you equating our president with those guys?

he was your president. the president of the country you live in. like them or not, we generally try to show respect to our civil servants when they die, especially after they've gone through a terrible disease for a decade.

[molecularfire]

Also, to those using insults and calling Canta's manhood into question, let me direct you towards a subject I've recently done a paper on; "Unsound and Fallacious Arguments Based on Unfounded Notions".

There's quite a few, but one is called abusive ad hominem. Once you learn about it, you can't overlook it, regardless of to whom it's aimed; apologies.
I'm not calling Canta's manhood in question. Personally, I've never seen his manhood so I have no opinion on that one way or another. I've been in plenty of debates with Canta and others on this board, a LOT of which has been political and IMO, I've been pretty good about not getting involved in personal attacks. However, this thread wasn't a political thread. We weren't debating politics. His statement was not an analysis of Regan's politics, but merely a mean verbal attack on a guy who just recently died. IMO, that's dirty and I'm not going to let a guy get attacked when he can't even defend himself. In general, I try to show respect for people who debate with me. However, if he's not going to show respect for a dead guy, and for the other people on this board, I see no reason why I should allow him that same courtesy.

[jstreet]

When somebody comes and sh!ts in your house, what do you do? Do you sit there and call them a friend, or tell them they are a dirty jackass and kick them the hell out?

Please don't take this the wrong way, but if this were your house, than I suspect you would have the power to kick him out on your own. It isn't, you don't, and you are both guests in another's house.


Canta is one of those people who believes he is superior to 90% of the people out there. He also seems to think that he has this god given right to be the judge jury and executioner of everybody. He is the little prick who came out with this vindictive trash sitting there ripping on a dead person that did nothing more than try to lead a country during VERY trying times.

That is your opinion on Reagan's presidency - not everyone's - and he can criticize his presidency just as you can support it. You didn't, though, you just said these two things. Whether his politics should even have a place in discussion at the moment is also up to people's opinions, but you didn't really talk about that either.


To me that signals a person who is really and truly pathetic and I will tell them so. I am not going to sit here and read this vitrol and NOT say something.

Then say something in a PM to him about it, if it's going to be a personal attack... and vitriol, as I'm sure you realize, could also be used to describe how you're getting around swear filters - basically breaking a rule in the process - by replacing letters.


If he wants to go into the real world where he has to make real decisions that affect real people, then fine, he can judge. However, he sits in his little orlando house, going to little orlando schools and will eventually teach at a little orlando school where he can be safe and secure from the real world. Meanwhile he will be poisoning our children to believe that every white man is out there to fvck them over.

I am really truly disgusted by him.

LK

Disparaging someone does not do anything for anything or anyone. I don't know how else to say that. It doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about and makes you look bad to me, perhaps just as bad as he does to you. You probably don't care about what I think (and shouldn't), but I'm just saying that you can be criticized equally if not more for what you're doing than what he is doing. I already told him I disagreed with what he said, and I disagree with what you're saying too.

[LegendKiller]

I'm dumbfounded. I literally don't know how to respond to that.



So far from the point. You judge a person by the actions they took. Period.



You are a moron, seriously. I have the right to judge him because he was a public servant. I am allowed to judge politicians, thats how it goes.

And insulting my school is just poor taste and unfounded. My "little regional school" is the 7th largest university in the country. Get with it you cretin.



More of yoru sophmoric drivel. First, I don't have a teaching joba nd I'm not seeking one. You don't even know what you are talking about. All you do is assume things and then continue to follow that tangent forever.



Way to insult every teacher in the world, as well as all the teachers who post here. Furthermore, who do you think you are? You think your technology/office job is somehow more worthwhile or noble than education? Seriously, you are warped.



:rolleyes:

And Cheapie,



I know you were using hyperbole, but the fact is you keep saying that and repeating it over and over. Its annoying, unfounded, and getting old.



I understand where you are coming from, and I understand how you can see it as offensive definitly. Problem is if say, Saddam Hussein, Quadaffi, Castro, or any number of other "bad guys" were to die the same people calling me a jerk for not having "respect for the dead" would be the first ones to join me in saying, "good riddance."



Actually, I just looked it up and UCF doesn't even get anywhere near ANY Big-10 schools in terms of enrollment, so right there your "#7" school is WAY off of the mark hell, it doesn't even get close to UF or FSU in terns of enrollment. It doesn't even come close to the 39,000 enrolled at UnivofMN, so, YOU get with it.

LOL, so, you have the right to judge them while you have never even come close to walking in their shoes. YOu are willing to call them this or that but have no stinking idea what it takes to lead, what it takes to sacrifice, all you know is the little history books you read and the nice sheltered world you live in.

I don't pretend that my "office/technology" job is any more noble than a teacher. However, when somebody sits there in a nice little teaching job while hiding from reality, I start to seriously doubt their credibility in any arguments.

All you can do is post how this or that person did this or that wrong. You can never see something good that somebody did. YOu are one of those people who will go back in histroy and ALWAYS find SOME way to rip them to shreds. Why? Because you need something to make your arguments justified, something to put your mark on the map.

Reagan did what he could with the situations presented to him, and he did a pretty damn good job in most of them. If you were in the same position I doubt you would have the fortitude to do even half as good of a job.

I cannot wait for you to actually join the ranks of the real world my little friend. I only wish you would join them in a capacity that is more suited to the trash you spew.


LK

[Cantacuzene]

Actually, I just looked it up and UCF doesn't even get anywhere near ANY Big-10 schools in terms of enrollment, so right there your "#7" school is WAY off of the mark. It doesn't even come close to the 39,000 enrolled at UnivofMN, so, YOU get with it.

Maybe you don;t know how to research things. I expect better of you.41,685 students (http://www.iroffice.ucf.edu/character/current.html)


LOL, so, you have the right to judge them while you have never even come close to walking in their shoes. YOu are willing to call them this or that but have no stinking idea what it takes to lead, what it takes to sacrifice, all you know is the little history books you read and the nice sheltered world you live in.

But yet YOU feel capable to judge him or me, you hypocrit. You really ought to stop using the diminutive, I don't add unnecesary adjectives when describing you personally, or things you care about so please.


However, when somebody sits there in a nice little teaching job while hiding from reality, I start to seriously doubt their credibility in any arguments.

Who, exactly, is doing that? You always do this. You create this straw man arguement in your mind and you hold onto it over the whole discussion, regardless of it being proven wrong.


YOu are one of those people who will go back in histroy and ALWAYS find SOME way to rip them to shreds. Why? Because you need something to make your arguments justified, something to put your mark on the map.


Its a good thing you got out of psychology, because you are piss poor at it.


I cannot wait for you to actually join the ranks of the real world my little friend.

Again, stop with the diminutive insults. I could easily turn it around on you and make a personal attack you know, but I've used my willpower to resist it so far.

[Memo]

http://uploader.dealdonkey.com/uploads/reagan.gif

[LegendKiller]

Maybe you don;t know how to research things. I expect better of you.41,685 students (http://www.iroffice.ucf.edu/character/current.html)



But yet YOU feel capable to judge him or me, you hypocrit. You really ought to stop using the diminutive, I don't add unnecesary adjectives when describing you personally, or things you care about so please.



Who, exactly, is doing that? You always do this. You create this straw man arguement in your mind and you hold onto it over the whole discussion, regardless of it being proven wrong.



Its a good thing you got out of psychology, because you are piss poor at it.



Again, stop with the diminutive insults. I could easily turn it around on you and make a personal attack you know, but I've used my willpower to resist it so far.



ROFL,
Is that what you call research? Something that the school puts out themselves? Something that counts part timers as full students? Doesn't even count FTE's?


Hmmm, your forgetting Canta, that I did research for the SUS, McKinsey, and the Council of 100 about florida schools and their funding. I know EXACTLY what your school is, how big it is, and how much money it gets. I have more documentation about your school than you can even dream and I know where to get more.

http://www.fldcu.org/factbook/2002-2003/pdf/t10_0203.pdf


Why don't you go and school yourself a bit boy while I go have a sammich. I can break down for you how much your school gets per square footage of building space, or how about how much it gets for minority single mothers? Or perhaps you need to know how much money it gets for every white boy prick who thinks he knows it all? I have that too.

My info went into a presentation to the top 100 business people in FL on how to fund the schools better. Sorry to say bub, your school doesn't even come ANYWHERE close to being #7 in terms of size.


Now, you can sit here and attempt to circle around any arguments by claiming that you have rights to judge public servants. Sure, you do, but not until you think you have walked a mile in their shoes. NOt after they are dead and disrespected by pathetic little twerps who have no respect for anything but their superior moral beliefs, something so self centered and short sighted that they cannot even see beyond the narrow minded textbook of the day.


If you want to attempt personal attacks against me, go ahead and try. I will be there at every turn knocking them down as easily as I have done to your stupid claim of being the #7 largest school in the nation.

LOL, by Canta's definition of a "big" school, I bet Devry would qualify as the biggest, any sh!thole school can claim to have 200k part timers if none of them registered in 15 years.


LK

[Butch]

Edit: Eh . . . nevermind . . . I'm not getting involved

[Cantacuzene]

I hope you don't count me calling you deluded as a personal attack. And as far as the numbers you found, what does that matter? I don't recall anyone framing the debate about who has the most full time students. More straw man arguements from you. Why are we even talking about this? Why did you bring it up? What does it prove again? I'm sure the total attendance of our universities are directly proportional to our intelligence and phallic endowment.


Now, you can sit here and attempt to circle around any arguments by claiming that you have rights to judge public servants. Sure, you do, but not until you think you have walked a mile in their shoes.

What does that mean? I can't be critical about any politician until I become a politician? Thats a ridiculous statement and you know it. You better back off that point quickly.


NOt after they are dead and disrespected by pathetic little twerps who have no respect for anything

And I've now asked you 3 times to stop using diminutive words towards me and I won't ask again. And I believe anyone is allowed to criticize a politician, living or dead. I believe someone wrote a best selling biography of John Adams a few years back, why don't you write that author and tell him he is a disrespectful twerp who shoudn't talk about John Adams until he has walked a mile in his shoes. See how far that gets you.

[cheapie]

Edit: Eh . . . nevermind . . . I'm not getting involved


:stupid: where's that popcorn munching smiley?


You are a moron, seriously.


And I've now asked you 3 times to stop using diminutive words towards me and I won't ask again.


:eek3: so...only you can call people names?

[molecularfire]

I understand where you are coming from, and I understand how you can see it as offensive definitly. Problem is if say, Saddam Hussein, Quadaffi, Castro, or any number of other "bad guys" were to die the same people calling me a jerk for not having "respect for the dead" would be the first ones to join me in saying, "good riddance."
If there were people who had a high opinion of Sadam, Quadaffi, Castro or an number of other "bad guys" and posted a thread to mourn their loss it would be offensive. If you wanna debate on his actions while he was president, set up a thread and do it there. If you wanna celebrate his death with balloons and party favors, start a thread and do it there. What you did was just disrespectful irrespective of who the subject of the thread was. You didn't show respect for the recent dead, and you didn't show respect for the other people on this board.

[Dave_7]

... I believe someone wrote a best selling biography of John Adams a few years back, why don't you write that author and tell him he is a disrespectful twerp who shoudn't talk about John Adams until he has walked a mile in his shoes...
Generally, even critics wait more than a few minutes after the death before unleashing their fork-tounged disparagement... out of respect for the dead.

Have their been any good presidents, in your opinion? Has there ever been a president who has not been directly responsible for the deaths of people somewhere in the world?

Except for with a relatively small percentage of the population, Reagan will go down as one of the most beloved presidents of all time... and that just tears you up... doesn't it :wavey2:



Dave.

[DarkFury]

Yeah, I guess he really died years ago. All that was left was his body. What a ****ty disease.
Yup.. I've had 2 grandparents die from the same thing.

I guess I know where I'll be in 40 - 50 years if they don't come up with a cure.... if I happen to live that long. :sad:

[LegendKiller]

If there were people who had a high opinion of Sadam, Quadaffi, Castro or an number of other "bad guys" and posted a thread to mourn their loss it would be offensive. If you wanna debate on his actions while he was president, set up a thread and do it there. If you wanna celebrate his death with balloons and party favors, start a thread and do it there. What you did was just disrespectful irrespective of who the subject of the thread was. You didn't show respect for the recent dead, and you didn't show respect for the other people on this board.


Meh, the problem with canta is that he just thinks everybody who doesn't agree with his politics is evil. Reagan was white, thus he must be evil. Reagan did what he had to to help the country, and was white, thus he must be evil. Reagan, did all of this and just died, thus he was evil and will be punished.

One of these days canta is going to leave that small little pathetic university and will enter into the real world where what he says and does is a bit more than 1's and 0's. He will say or do the wrong thing and pay for it. not only that, but he will be judged by the same narrow minded revisionist drivel that he posts on here, and he will be punished accordingly. Only then will he finally understand that people do what they need to do in the time given to them and they will forever be damned by jackasses who will always second guess them.

Reagan, love him or hate him, was given a country that had unheard of inflation, interest rates in the 17-18% area for houses, a piss poor economy, hostages, political turmoil in a large part of the middle east, and a military that wasn't prepared for anything. He turned around all of that to the best of his abilities and little jerks like Canta will forever damn him.


LK

[DarkFury]

When somebody comes and sh!ts in your house, what do you do? Do you sit there and call them a friend, or tell them they are a dirty jackass and kick them the hell out?


Canta is one of those people who believes he is superior to 90% of the people out there. He also seems to think that he has this god given right to be the judge jury and executioner of everybody. He is the little prick who came out with this vindictive trash sitting there ripping on a dead person that did nothing more than try to lead a country during VERY trying times.

To me that signals a person who is really and truly pathetic and I will tell them so. I am not going to sit here and read this vitrol and NOT say something.

If he wants to go into the real world where he has to make real decisions that affect real people, then fine, he can judge. However, he sits in his little orlando house, going to little orlando schools and will eventually teach at a little orlando school where he can be safe and secure from the real world. Meanwhile he will be poisoning our children to believe that every white man is out there to fvck them over.

I am really truly disgusted by him.


LK
Geez... weren't you two like "breakin' bread" a few months ago at PFChang's? Man, this thread has sure taken a turn for the worst. :eek:

[DarkFury]

Except for with a relatively small percentage of the population, Reagan will go down as one of the most beloved presidents of all time... and that just tears you up... doesn't it :wavey2:

/me waits for the fanfare for when Clinton croaks... :hmm:

[Cantacuzene]

Geez... weren't you two like "breakin' bread" a few months ago at PFChang's? Man, this thread has sure taken a turn for the worst. :eek:

I agree with you there.

[DarkFury]

Reagan, love him or hate him, was given a country that had unheard of inflation, interest rates in the 17-18% area for houses, a piss poor economy, hostages, political turmoil in a large part of the middle east, and a military that wasn't prepared for anything. He turned around all of that to the best of his abilities and little jerks like Canta will forever damn him.


LKThis is beginning to sound a bunch like Alex P. Keaton... :hmm:

[ialsohaveadream]

http://uploader.dealdonkey.com/uploads/reagan.gif

Has it been long enough to laugh at that yet?

And I'm going to avoid the Canta/LK fray and just say that you guys are so freaking alike that you should just move to Massachussets, get hitched, and get it over with.

[ialsohaveadream]

Meh, the problem with canta is that he just thinks everybody who doesn't agree with his politics is evil.

Whereas you think that everyone who doesn't agree with you is just wrong. :rolleyes: It gets old, from both of you. And you both, rather than debating, just hurl insults at each other and those who disagree with you.


One of these days canta is going to leave that small little pathetic university and will enter into the real world where what he says and does is a bit more than 1's and 0's.

This is another familiar refrain: "So-and-so doesn't know anything because he/she A) gains knowledge through reading, B) went to some 'pathetic' school, or C) doesn't have my job."

If you went to UofMin, and you somehow think that gave you a better education than UCF, good for you. It's nice to take pride in your school. And yet you've also mocked a Harvard education in the past, so really you're against anyone who doesn't have...what? A degree from Minnesota?


Reagan, love him or hate him, was given a country that had unheard of inflation, interest rates in the 17-18% area for houses, a piss poor economy, hostages, political turmoil in a large part of the middle east, and a military that wasn't prepared for anything. He turned around all of that to the best of his abilities and little jerks like Canta will forever damn him.

Clinton did some beneficial things for our economy and foreign affairs, and yet still people will damn him. It's a way of life, and politicians know that going in. I don't think Ronnie lost any sleep worrying that Canta didn't like him, and I imagine Bubba isn't an insomniac because of it either.


....Crap. I was trying to stay out of this.

[Cantacuzene]

clicked (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=7743)

[LegendKiller]

clicked (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=7743)



ROFL, I have always loved when people do this. Just another way to make statements without the fear of reprisal. Pathetically weak, especially when you don't warn people what that is.


LK

[Dave_7]

/me waits for the fanfare for when Clinton croaks... :hmm:
Believe it or not... I typed out, then deleted, a line from my post that said something to the effect of, "... then again, so will Clinton." ... just before posting.



Dave.

[nickel]

ROFL, I have always loved when people do this. Just another way to make statements without the fear of reprisal. Pathetically weak, especially when you don't warn people what that is.


LK
:stupid:

yeh, Canta is all for free speech until it is something he doesn't want to hear. :rolleyes:

[Kim]

This thread sure went to Hell. :(

RIP Mr. Reagan.

[guiseppewv]

RIP President Reagan. :(

[mcs328]

Personally I liked him. He was my favorite president. I didn't like all the structures going up in his honor however. On a somewhat related side note, the government is off this Friday as a holiday in Reagans memory so says my government client. Don't know if it's national or regional but I'm not coming unless my company makes me.

[DarkFury]

Personally I liked him. He was my favorite president. I didn't like all the structures going up in his honor however. On a somewhat related side note, the government is off this Friday as a holiday in Reagans memory so says my government client. Don't know if it's national or regional but I'm not coming unless my company makes me.
Must be a local thing... Gubment agencies here ain't closing down (or at least we ain't heard nuffin' bout it. :shrug: )

EDIT: BTW... this might change, if the President declares it as a total shutdown day... I'll keep ya posted if they announce it here. :D

[faither]

As someone who was actually alive and old enough to know what was going on at the time, I feel the need to respond to some of the buffoonery and hatred that's been spewed in this thread.

As a politician I had no love for Ronald Reagan. I dispised many of his policies and felt that they generally hurt families and individuals and burdoned this nation with a tremendous $$$ debt.

I felt this so strongly that the first presidential campaign I ever worked for (as a 19 year-old) was Walter Mondale's run in 1984. I was moved to do so because of how I felt about what was going on. I didn't spit on anyone, call them names or question their intentions. I worked to try and make a change, and not through spewing invectives over the Internet.

As I grown older, I've come to recognize that while I still do not agree with his policies, Ronald Reagan was the right president at the right time.

After a terrible stretch of history, this country felt horrible about itself (Vietnam War, Nixon, gas shortage, sky-rocketing inflation, Iran hostages). Ronald Reagan's personality was exectly what this country needed. He was a reassuring father/grandfather who just made people feel better. He truly was The Great Communicator. Whether you want to chalk that up to his background as an actor (which folks like to deride) -- it doesn't matter. He pulled it off and regardless whether you agreed with him, I truly believe that he believed what he was saying. Neither, do I believe, was he governing based on popular opinion -- relying on polls to determine the positions he should take. He had core beliefs that he stuck to. That takes balls. Hell, anyone can waffle.

His First Innaugural Address, comforting the country after Korean Flight 007, bombing of the Beirut Embassy, Challenger disaster, calling out Gorbechev at the Brandenbug Gate. In my lifetime, there has been no other president who communicated more effectively. He was a strong leader.

I've gone on here but the man leaves an imposing legacy and while I still disagree with the policies, the country is better off for his presidency and leadership, and the world is a better place because of the fall of the Soviet Union and the end of the threat they represented.

God bless Ronald Reagan. May he rest in peace.

[Merlin]

clicked (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=7743)
Canta you stupid ignorant little man....don't you know it is spelled clickety (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=7743) :)

[nickel]

Canta you stupid ignorant little man....don't you know it is spelled clickety (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=7743) :)
are you sure (http://www.gotapex.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=7054) that is spelled correctly? :)

[DarkFury]

Ok... it's official now, we're officially closed on Friday.

Man... it sucks being the "low man" on the pole waitin' for all the "higher ups" to confirm what we already know. :D

[ShawnLee]

Ok... it's official now, we're officially closed on Friday.

Man... it sucks being the "low man" on the pole waitin' for all the "higher ups" to confirm what we already know. :D
Hahaha. Finally, some good humor to lighten the mood in this thread.

And thank you Faither.

[Nija]

http://www.rancidkoolaid.com/images/arguing.jpg

[guiseppewv]

As someone who was actually alive and old enough to know what was going on at the time, I feel the need to respond to some of the buffoonery and hatred that's been spewed in this thread.

As a politician I had no love for Ronald Reagan. I dispised many of his policies and felt that they generally hurt families and individuals and burdoned this nation with a tremendous $$$ debt.

I felt this so strongly that the first presidential campaign I ever worked for (as a 19 year-old) was Walter Mondale's run in 1984. I was moved to do so because of how I felt about what was going on. I didn't spit on anyone, call them names or question their intentions. I worked to try and make a change, and not through spewing invectives over the Internet.

As I grown older, I've come to recognize that while I still do not agree with his policies, Ronald Reagan was the right president at the right time.

After a terrible stretch of history, this country felt horrible about itself (Vietnam War, Nixon, gas shortage, sky-rocketing inflation, Iran hostages). Ronald Reagan's personality was exectly what this country needed. He was a reassuring father/grandfather who just made people feel better. He truly was The Great Communicator. Whether you want to chalk that up to his background as an actor (which folks like to deride) -- it doesn't matter. He pulled it off and regardless whether you agreed with him, I truly believe that he believed what he was saying. Neither, do I believe, was he governing based on popular opinion -- relying on polls to determine the positions he should take. He had core beliefs that he stuck to. That takes balls. Hell, anyone can waffle.

His First Innaugural Address, comforting the country after Korean Flight 007, bombing of the Beirut Embassy, Challenger disaster, calling out Gorbechev at the Brandenbug Gate. In my lifetime, there has been no other president who communicated more effectively. He was a strong leader.

I've gone on here but the man leaves an imposing legacy and while I still disagree with the policies, the country is better off for his presidency and leadership, and the world is a better place because of the fall of the Soviet Union and the end of the threat they represented.

God bless Ronald Reagan. May he rest in peace.

Great post faither. :)

[whitak24]

:stupid:

finally, a post in this thread that's not drivel.

rest in peace.

[jstreet]

:banghead:

[Markel]

I saw this article (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/07/48hours/main621459.shtml) online today that shows an interesting side of Ronald Reagan - how he enjoyed telling anecdotes, and how his wit played such a part of his presidency. I found it to be an enjoyable read. It also shows how quick he could be in some of his responses. One of my favorite quotes from it:

"Mr. President, in talking about the continuing recession tonight, you have
blamed mistakes of the past and you've blamed the Congress. Does any of the
blame belong to you?" asked ABC White House Correspondent Sam Donaldson.

"Yes, because for many years I was a Democrat," replied Mr. Reagan.

[bachviet]

I saw this article (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/07/48hours/main621459.shtml) online today that shows an interesting side of Ronald Reagan - how he enjoyed telling anecdotes, and how his wit played such a part of his presidency. I found it to be an enjoyable read. It also shows how quick he could be in some of his responses. One of my favorite quotes from it:

"Mr. President, in talking about the continuing recession tonight, you have
blamed mistakes of the past and you've blamed the Congress. Does any of the
blame belong to you?" asked ABC White House Correspondent Sam Donaldson.

"Yes, because for many years I was a Democrat," replied Mr. Reagan.
That's pretty funny.

[DarkFury]

:stupid:

finally, a post in this thread that's not drivel.

rest in peace.
Dayuuum.. so all the rest of us are "drivel" eh?

That's cold man... :2far: :shrug:

[whitak24]

it was perhaps an overstatement. perhaps i should have said "the first post in the last 2 pages".

i was just a little disgusted with some of the argument that was going on. i think the people who were posting s*it know who they are.

[nickel]

"Now, I know some of you put Flick up to this. But he has refused to say who. But those who did it know their blame. And I'm sure that the guilt you feel is far worse that any punishment you might recieve. Now don't you feel terrible? Don't you feel remorse for what you've done? Well, that's all I'm going to say about poor Flick."

[faither]

"Now, I know some of you put Flick up to this. But he has refused to say who. But those who did it know their blame. And I'm sure that the guilt you feel is far worse that any punishment you might recieve. Now don't you feel terrible? Don't you feel remorse for what you've done? Well, that's all I'm going to say about poor Flick."

That quote is from one of the most enjoyable movies ever made and one of my favorite!

[cheapie]

:banghead:


???

[jstreet]

???

Was just frustrated by the above post... I was worried that just as stuff was calming down it would start more bickering again by people who felt that their posts weren't drivel (me being one of them).

We need an "I wash my hands of this" smiley, methinks.

[chrissy]

As someone who was actually alive and old enough to know what was going on at the time, I feel the need to respond to some of the buffoonery and hatred that's been spewed in this thread.

As a politician I had no love for Ronald Reagan. I dispised many of his policies and felt that they generally hurt families and individuals and burdoned this nation with a tremendous $$$ debt.

I felt this so strongly that the first presidential campaign I ever worked for (as a 19 year-old) was Walter Mondale's run in 1984. I was moved to do so because of how I felt about what was going on. I didn't spit on anyone, call them names or question their intentions. I worked to try and make a change, and not through spewing invectives over the Internet.

As I grown older, I've come to recognize that while I still do not agree with his policies, Ronald Reagan was the right president at the right time.

After a terrible stretch of history, this country felt horrible about itself (Vietnam War, Nixon, gas shortage, sky-rocketing inflation, Iran hostages). Ronald Reagan's personality was exectly what this country needed. He was a reassuring father/grandfather who just made people feel better. He truly was The Great Communicator. Whether you want to chalk that up to his background as an actor (which folks like to deride) -- it doesn't matter. He pulled it off and regardless whether you agreed with him, I truly believe that he believed what he was saying. Neither, do I believe, was he governing based on popular opinion -- relying on polls to determine the positions he should take. He had core beliefs that he stuck to. That takes balls. Hell, anyone can waffle.

His First Innaugural Address, comforting the country after Korean Flight 007, bombing of the Beirut Embassy, Challenger disaster, calling out Gorbechev at the Brandenbug Gate. In my lifetime, there has been no other president who communicated more effectively. He was a strong leader.

I've gone on here but the man leaves an imposing legacy and while I still disagree with the policies, the country is better off for his presidency and leadership, and the world is a better place because of the fall of the Soviet Union and the end of the threat they represented.

God bless Ronald Reagan. May he rest in peace.

While I was alive and kicking during his term in office, but I was young. But he was the president I learned about the most while learning about government (him and the first Bush administration). You have to be in awe of some of the accomplishments he achieved. You also have to remember some of the mistakes. But he was human just as any of us and we all make them -- no matter what political views we have.

The love he showed for the country, for Nancy and the world cannot be denied or forgotten.

Rest in Peace.

[DarkFury]

Was just frustrated by the above post... I was worried that just as stuff was calming down it would start more bickering again by people who felt that their posts weren't drivel (me being one of them).

We need an "I wash my hands of this" smiley, methinks.

It's alright mang...

Just be like me... hold on to your own personal ideals and "brush off" all the comments that are counter to what you want to believe. The "live and let live" philosophy. :D

This is why politics and polite discussion generally don't mix (and why there is now a separate "Politics" forum so that folks can go into their own little room and slug it out as they see fit.) :shrug:

[oblongmelon]

Here is the picture. (http://www.pressconnects.com/sunday/news/stories/ne060604s95159p1.jpg) RIP Mr. President. I was one of many who got to meet him when he came to Endicott NY in the 1980's. He was a pleasant man...shook everyone's hand who was a the gala and thanked each of us for coming...Wierd thing is..the week before he came here..secret service were all over the area from Binghamton to Owego, and while out having a drink with Mr.Melon and friends, a bunch of the secret service came into the pub we were in. One of them was the guy facing the camera. (ask me how I know they were secret service-and I'll tell you..they were all wearing their pins, and they were with some cops we knew who clued us in)

[Jenny]

I stopped reading this when **** started hitting the fan. But if people don't calm down and stop political talk in here, this will be closed. If you guys wanna debate Reagan, go do it in the right forum plz.

[cheapie]

i think it's calmed down now. as long as ben doesn't start his **** again.





:cool: :wavey2:

[zenbooty]

i think it's calmed down now. as long as ben doesn't start his **** again.





:cool: :wavey2:Not that anybody's provoking him or anything :rolleyes:.

It takes two to argue. Everyone who verbally assaulted him in this thread is just as guilty as he, as I see it.

[jstreet]

i think it's calmed down now. as long as ben doesn't start his **** again.





:cool: :wavey2:

Hah :D

And hey, Zenbooty, do some reading ;) I wasn't the one getting assaulted/assaulting this time around. I know, it's a surprise ;p

[zenbooty]

Hah :D

And hey, Zenbooty, do some reading ;) I wasn't the one getting assaulted/assaulting this time around. I know, it's a surprise ;pWhoops, I thought Ben was a personal reference to Canta, since Cheapie met him and all. Maybe I got confused.

[jstreet]

Hah, no worries ;)

Just found out the University's closing Friday. Wow. Wasn't expecting that.

[oblongmelon]

http://www.rancidkoolaid.com/images/arguing.jpg
ROTFL -CLASSIC!
made me spit out my diet coke.
Nija you're always good for a laugh.