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05-07-2000, 05:57 AM
well, i'm finally getting rid of my crappy car. i'm now in the market looking for something in the 20k region, and i don't want anything fancy. i like the hondas (yes i'm asian, but i'm NOT going to lower it), but i would like to hear more opinions. ANYONE, please feel free to give me some pointers. any models you like/dislike, anything i should look out for. thanks in advance.
How about a used, 1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse GST or GSX?
05-07-2000, 06:40 PM
Well, I went shopping for a new car about 2 years ago in the sub 20k range and I came up with my Ford Contour SVT. Unless you got Ford credits or a new college grad, it might be pushing the 20k barrier if you don't get a deal like autobytel.com
Anyways, check out the Contour SE. It should easily sell under 20k fully loaded with moonroof, ABS, CD player (Ford's CD players aren't the best), and 4 wheel disc (for MTX). OK, now before you going jumping on it just cuz it's a Ford, give it a chance. This is as European as a Ford gets in this country as its marketed as the Mondeo in Europe and sell like crazy there. Here Ford doesn't advertise it so only rental fleets and retirement people buy it (Doh!)
This is probably the best car Ford builds, and you want a well handling car (Best under $30k except 328i) that has good to excellent reliabilty check this car out. I've driven my car hard for 2 years and it's running fine. Of course I use Mobil 1 and upgraded all the fluids, but I only change oil every 10k. If you look on Carpoint you'll see this car has better reliability than a Civic, of course I'm always doubtful of these reliability things as the user response is always skewed.
This is the last year for Contour, so dealers will try hard to get them off their lot. You can probably get one under invoice. The Manual V-6 combo is hard to find though, especially with a sun roof. Use autobytel to get a good deal unless you know a dealer personally (this applies for any car purchase).
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05-07-2000, 06:50 PM
Oh, forgot to add this:
The Contour's +side is handling, power, reliability, value, 4 door sedan low profile to cops http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif
The Contour's -side is more jarring/stiffer ride (compared to an Accord or Camry), cheap stereo, tiny rear seat legroom.
The alternatives I was considering at the time were runner up Nissan Altima. This is basically the same as a Contour, but less power and handling traded off for a smoother ride and better ergonomics. If you're not the kind that gets a high doing a 45 mph interchange at 75, go for the Altima.
If you're more old fart type, think about the new Taurus (very safe, affordable, and if taken care of reliable) or Accord (depending on demand in your area can get a nice one sub 20k). Camry is overpriced for what it offers.
Saturns are also a good alternative in that their built like an import but have domestic priorities. Haven't really looked at their lineup lately.
And if you want to pop over 20k try the Passat. It's pricey, but looks awesome - is awesome.
Finally, if you live in SoCal like me, please don't buy an Integra. Half my high school class had Integras and the situation is worsening. Nothing personal against the car (I actually like everything about it except the price) except I thought we were allowed to choose our cars in this country http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif
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[This message has been edited by colossus (edited 05-08-2000).]
05-07-2000, 10:12 PM
I'd rather go with the used eclipse.
93-94 or 97-99 Eclipse GSX. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif
*sigh* I still love my old (now stolen) card. Too !@$#@!$ bad I have an MR2 Turbo now.
05-09-2000, 03:45 AM
Personally, I'd go with a jetta just cuz my family's been through 2 american cars and had too many problems with them. Comes under 20K(or over depending on options) and is very reliable. If you do happend to consider it, no less than the vr6 engine. By the way, I'm gettin one myself this summer.
05-09-2000, 07:29 PM
I personally do not like Mitsubishis (Eclipse GST/GSX, 3000GT). I don't know about the 3000GT, but I drove an Eclipse GST for about a year. The power was decent, but wasn't great. Handling sucked. You can argue that since it's turbo, it has potential. However, the Eclipse does not have a strong block in stock form. Being a performance minded guy, with a ~$20k range, I would go for a Miata or the new Celica. Since I prefer rear-wheel drive cars, I would probably say the Miata.
The 4G63 (turbo eclipse) has the strongest production level block of any 4 cylindar car coming from japan, followed by the SW20 block (MR2 turbo), followed by the SR20DETT (Silvia). Tests registered by Option over 120k miles in modified trim, stock block.
05-10-2000, 01:49 AM
I am only basing my judgement on personal experiences. I have not conducted any tests of my own in terms of determining how strong the block is. All info I have is by word of mouth. I've heard and seen more than a few case of blown motors. I do agree with you Apex that the MR2 motor can take a beating though. As far as Eclipse motor, I am skeptical and personally wouldn't touch it.
Although they're everywhere, and the body style will change soon, integras are CHEAP. Check out greenlight, I think they're 1k below invoice or more.
Also, Preludes are around 20k, they handle pretty well, though I think their resale is low.
Jettas, and all VW's in general, are similar to American cars and will break down after 4 or so years. The kicker is that they break down like american cars, but their repair costs are like BMWs. If you can barely afford a VW, you cannot afford their repair bills.
The moderately optioned Nissan xterra is almost 20k, maybe 22k, and low end pathfinders are about the same. Barebone Xterras are less than 20k.
The only reason I know any of this is because my brother and a friend are thinking of getting 20k cars.
How can you resist?
05-11-2000, 04:38 AM
No fair Leon, you're playing to emotion. And yes, it's working cuz that is a sweet looking car! The thing about black cars is they don't look good at daytime unless they're fully clean. At night they look awesome.
With regards to what Ken posted, that kind of belief is what pisses me off. I don't look at a car based on it's manufacturer, although it does help. To say an American car will break down in 4 years is just BS. My first car was a 1980 Ford Fairmont which was a POS. That car had to be tuned up just to be driven off the lot new! Our next 2 Ford Tauri have been awesome in terms of repair and maintenance.
My car has 15K on it now and all I've done is one oil change at 1K switching to Mobil 1, and then another at 11k changing the oil. I spent about $40 bucks upgrading the brake and tranny fluid. And a free tire rotation at 7700 miles. That's all in 23 months of ownership, under $120. And I plan on keeping my car for 10 years with this kind of maintenance. It worked for two previous American cars, and it should work again. That's cuz the Taurus and Contour are among Ford's best. The Fairmont and Tempo - direct predecessors to the Contour were among the worst!
Sorry to rant like this, but I just needed a release. Sorry guys.
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[This message has been edited by colossus (edited 05-11-2000).]
When I mean American car, I mean American in the general (ie generalization) sense. Of course there are exceptions (I believe Saturns are relatively hassle free). I had a 10 year old Chevette myself for awhile--no major problems, just minor ones. Sold it though because minor $100 repairs aren't worth it when the car's only worth $100.
Unless Roniman plans on driving his car to death, resale value is a very important factor. And resale doesn't depend on whether a car is reliable, only its image of reliability--which is only based somewhat on actual reliability.
And the average used car purchaser doesn't think American cars, in general, are reliable after 4-5 years. Thus, American cars have lower resale value, which translates into higher cost.
And this has nothing to do with any particular car, such as Colossus' Contour.
But, back on subject, another alternative if you were looking at accords and camrys is the maxima. If you're willing to wait, pick up a Maxima at year end clearance. There's a good chance you can get one for way below $20k, maybe even $15k. Nissan's got serious problems, it may go bankrupt and be acquired, and so will heavily discount the poorly selling Maxima by year-end. Last year, before the model change, maximas were going for about $14k, which is cheaper than a sentra.
05-12-2000, 11:02 PM
i'm sorry, i might now have made myself clear. i thank everyone for their input. i do like the suggestions. however, i'm not really looking for anything sporty.
1) i'd rather not have my insurance go up anymore than it has to.
2) i'm an old-fashioned kind of guy, i'd take comfort over style.
3) i also want something with a lot of room (EXCEPT for vans)
4) i already have a girlfriend. i don't really want to attract extra attention to myself with other females...my god, did that just come out of my mouth! somebody slap me quick!
however, i have narrowed it down to two cars. the honda accord LX or EX, and the toyota camry. however, i'm still taking everyone's help into consideration, so please keep inputting. otherwise, i wouldn't mind if you can help give input on my two choices. (and if you're doing that, please tell me if you would choose the LX or EX for the honda.)
EX or LX... Just make sure you get a V6 Accord.
05-13-2000, 02:05 AM
V6 is worth the extra cash. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif
05-13-2000, 03:18 AM
Go for the Accord. I always tend to side with the cars that have better handling unless it's at the expense of safety. In the case of the Accord is about on par with the Camry, but you can get much more response from an Accord. I personally dislike the mushy feeling from a Camry. My old Ford Taurus wagon had better road feel!
The Accord is also more visually appealing (personal taste). Only major problem I see are possible high repair costs and high body repair. My friend dinged his front ever so slightly and got an unjustified $750 for bumper replacement. Please, I don't think any of the energy plastics were even crushed...
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Just out of curiousity, why not the maxima? I understand that many people (myself included) dislike the rear end, but geez, its SOOOO cheap.
The maxima's great. Great engine, mediocre handling, poor looks. The only real problem I see is getting raped on the resale, so it's not as cheap as the price at face value.
05-15-2000, 02:20 AM
the other thing is insurance. i need to look at the insurance rates for all these cars. b/c they're all basically the same price range. so i need to check if i'll be paying an arm and a leg for another 10 years on a car that's #1 on a thief's list.
One important thing is looking at the way YOUR insurance carrier views different vehicles. For instance, AAA views the Eclipse GSX as simply a $2xxxx whatever priced vehicle. For some reason, they don't tack on the extra 25% for turbocharging. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif
My suggestion? MR2 Turbo BABY!!!
Kidding kidding. This car sucks. 230hp to the flywheel (translates to about 175 or so to the wheels I think) + 2800 lbs does NOT a good car make. Luckily, it does have 1 redeeming quality. Mid engined/Rear wheel drive with gummy tires, sway bars, upper tower strut bars, shocks, springs, wheels, brakes upgraded does make for a pretty good handling package. Now double the HP, and cut another 400lbs off the weight and you'd have something.
[This message has been edited by Apex (edited 05-15-2000).]
05-15-2000, 03:48 AM
I suggest the Honda Accord Coupe EX, VW Jetta GLX or Passat. You won't think twice about or regret your decision.
05-15-2000, 04:04 PM
The bad thing about hondas is that their frequent changing of the models ages a car much faster. Damn honda.
05-17-2000, 09:27 PM
I just got a New Honda Accord EX V6 leather interior for 25 out the door. They are great cars.
just get a base pt cruiser for like 16,000 and throw your own stereo in, supercharge it, and lower it an inch with a set of constant rate springs. you'll hae one of the most original and coolest cars on the road for something like $22,000. it's not going to handle like a little car, but it would be way cooler, and more comfortable to roll around in.
05-18-2000, 10:08 PM
I have a 90' Camaro with 98K miles. I have had it for 3 years, and have never had to replace anything major on it. The biggest thing I have had to replace is the alternator. The people who had it before me never replaced anthing major, either. It's all about how you treat your car. If ANY car breaks down in 4 years, well.. then YOU are doing something wrong. Every make has a particular problem, whether it be brakes, or transmissions, or wiper blades. For one car to be completely brokendown after 4 years is for owner mistreatment, or that car (not ALL this make, not ALL this model) had problems from the building of it.
05-18-2000, 11:57 PM
Okay, Roniman, I would have to recommend you purchase a German auto. They make the best autos period. Although the eclipse is a fine coupe. There are better used cars you could get, such as a BMW 3 series or nice c-class benz (EXTREMELY reliable and safe, being benz). If you're going into a new car, VW is getting great reviews lately. The Jetta is very nice. But there is always that new PT Cruiser from chrysler, which is technically semi-German, hehe (Daimler-Chrysler AG). Well good luck in finding what you like, remember to get what you find is most practical and cofortable.
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05-19-2000, 11:52 AM
Am I the only one who cannot stand the sight of the PT Cruiser? It seems that a lot of people like it, but the first time I saw it, I thought it was some joke done on Photoshop. AWWWWWWFFFFUUUULLLL...
i guess the pt cruiser isn't really for people who arent into american car appreciation. it's a great new spin on the old panel trucks from the past, too bad they didnt put a fat v8 up in it though. i've had enough of the stupid rubber band engined, volkswagens out there, it's time they started making more cars like the pt.
05-22-2000, 01:05 AM
That is very true. I really don't have an appreciation for older American cars, and I know I'm in the minority. Also, you're right about the engine. It's built on the Neon platform, so it's like a "cool-looking" Neon. Not quite the power you would expect or hope for.
05-23-2000, 12:00 AM
Just get a Toyota truck. mmmmm http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif
05-23-2000, 01:10 AM
german german german http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
along the lines of a 3-series
c64user: i'm with you on this one, i dont like how it looks and the engine is weak.
06-01-2000, 10:54 PM
If comfort and useability really are your top criteria, that PT cruiser is a terrific buy. I own a DaimlerChrysler product right now, and I've been very happy with it. Our family gets minivans every 12 months, and we always come back to Chryslers. The thing is a lot bigger than a really imagined, and for that price, you are getting just a ton of car.
06-01-2000, 10:55 PM
Oh yeah, if you are looking at the DaimlerChryler product, lemme know, I got a great deal on my Durango...buying cars every 12 months has its advantages...volume buying, you know!!
06-02-2000, 04:01 AM
c'mon guys... don't you notice the name PT CRUISER. For the same reason the Prowler only has a six and not an eight. They are cruiser class.
Not that it wouldn't be nice to have something bigger. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif
06-02-2000, 04:10 AM
However, the Prowler's sibling would not fit in the Cruiser class.
The Howler has a 250HP V-8
Did Anyone else see this at the LA Auto Show?
06-02-2000, 04:31 AM
yeah i was at the la auto show
250hp V8. Sounds like something a lot of 6's and even a few 4's can chew up and spit out. Heck, my MR2's 2 liter is only a few ponies shy of that in current trim (and it's not even running that well). Now if DC shoehorned their 5.5l V8 from the E55 in there, that would be something.
06-02-2000, 01:27 PM
Ya... does seem to be a weak v-8. Maybe it's the Cruiser Sport. http://www.gotapex.com/ubb/smile.gif
06-02-2000, 02:07 PM
Yeah, but I think the marketing slant is that these cars were derived from customs back in the day; give 'em a really raw V-8 and see what they can turn that into...especially if you're looking at a very limited release, I think they're counting on tuners to keep the car in magazines.
i think its just that they know these hotrods arent as safe as the old ones that were made of steel. all the crumple zones dont work well with a fat ass engine. they keep the engines small to keep the lawsuits away when some idiot crashes into a parked car on a straight away doing a little burn out.
just an added thought to this forum, having a little kid now, i found out a lot of cars dont accept child seats correctly. my mustang being one of them. if anyone is planning on kids, be sure to check this out. all the little cars you guys are mentioning fit in this catagory. just wait, in a couple years, apex will have to start a forum on child proof cars that are still cool.
06-06-2000, 02:14 PM
Get the new Lexus Altezza. Pricey. But I like it.
06-08-2000, 02:58 AM
att: considering most of us have just recently LEFT the childseat, we don't really anticipate having to worry about whether one fits properly in our car or not!
06-08-2000, 03:20 AM
Pennypitch - that was pretty witty. I use the backseat for other things...
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