i got a question, any history ppl here ?

[p3rsian]

does any one know the years which the chaldaeans and the persians came to be ?

when some one says im persian it basically means now they are from iran
if some one says they are chaldaean does it mean they are from a particular country ?

[ialsohaveadream]

I minored in history, but it was mostly Russian/Eastern European. I didn't take any classes on the middle East, but I think there's someone on this board who might know your answer....

[blueindian]

I minored in history, but it was mostly Russian/Eastern European. I didn't take any classes on the middle East, but I think there's someone on this board who might know your answer....

and if he don't, he'll sure as hell look it up right quick and act like he did! and if you disagree, well then you're and idiot!

j/k canta, couldn't resist. :wavey2:

[Cantacuzene]

Well, the persian people existed in the province/kingdom of Persis from the beginning of recorded history. They didn't expand beyond that area until Cyrus rebelled against the king of Media and then went on to found the Persian Empire. But I suppose the best answer would be that the Persians "always" existed but until ~600bc they were a small and not very populous people living between Persepolis and Pasargadae.

When did all of Iran begin to think of themselves as "Persian" rather than their real ethnicity, eg. Bactrian, Parthian, Median, Lydian etc? That would probably be after the fall of the Hellenistic kingdoms when they aquired a sort of national identity, insofar as they weren't greek. I would argue that it didn't come in at full force until Sassanian times when Zoroastrianism became a nationalistic religion in opposition to Roman/Byzantine Christianity.

Chaldean, on the other hand, really doesn't represent an ethnic group so much as a region. Over thousands of years many different groups have lived in that area and each one called themselves Chaldaens after they have lived there a few generations. If you mean the original Chaldeans, the very first people to settle there, as far as I know they were there in like 1500b.c. But I would have serious doubts that anyone living there today has a single drop of chaldaen blood in their veins.

Edit: I should also add, though it didn't occur to me last night for some reason, that the original persians were indo-european and chaldeans were semetic peoples.

[Sir_Froggy]

i can't believe you asked if we got history people here, of course we do, canta and i think yossarian who's at school for history

[cheapchinese]

nerds :P

[yippiekiyeh]

It's called Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persians)... it answers most questions!

[Yossarian]

i can't believe you asked if we got history people here, of course we do, canta and i think yossarian who's at school for history

you sir, are correct.

my US to 1865 class is great. my prof will get off on a tanget about anything on history. people don't ide, the go 'blooop!' and all boats lack names, everyone gets off 'the banana boat;'

[Cantacuzene]

It's called Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persians)... it answers most questions!

Why use Wikopedia when you have me? :rolleyes:

[ialsohaveadream]

Why use Wikopedia when you have me? :rolleyes:

Maybe it's got more in the pants? :heh:

[xsiled2]

people don't ide, the go 'blooop!' and all boats lack names, everyone gets off 'the banana boat;'

hittin the bottle again?

[nickel]

Maybe it's got more in the pants? :heh:
:gle: :wavey2:

[Yossarian]

hittin the bottle again?

no
pe, thats what my history teacher says.

[Houdini]

you sir, are correct.

my US to 1865 class is great. my prof will get off on a tanget about anything on history. people don't ide, the go 'blooop!' and all boats lack names, everyone gets off 'the banana boat;'

That sounds remarkably like a history prof I had in college. You're not in New Orleans by any chance, are you?